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Demonstrative Pronouns and Pronominal Adjectives

I've been practicing this lesson for a while and I have not been able to memorize it. Is there any way or any strategy to remember [This/That], [The same/The other], singular-plural, masculine-feminine. Also what the Info & Tricks says is not quite the same what the lessons contain.

-Really need some help in here!

February 28, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

[I'm not a native speaker so correct me if I'm wrong]

What I found to be useful and the most easiest way to learn these DP and PA, even though "informal" is:

This -

  1. Singular Masculine: ăsta
  2. Singular Feminine: asta
  3. Plural Masculine: ăștia (these)
  4. Plural Feminine: astea (these)

That -

  1. Singular Masculine: ăla
  2. Singular Feminine: aia
  3. Plural Masculine: ăia (Those)
  4. Plural Feminine: alea (Those)

Examples:

  1. Copilul ăsta/ăla este un jucător bun = This/That kid is a good player
  2. Fata asta/aia este foarte frumoasă = This/That girl is very beautiful
  3. Băieții ăștia/ăia sunt răi = These/Those boys are bad
  4. Fetele astea/alea sunt bune = These/Those girls are good
February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/IonutCatana

To get the formal forms, you can replace the a/ă- beginning with ace- or acea-

February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

Woah, I haven't noticed that before! You just opened my eyes and now it's going to be way easier to learn formal versions now! Thank you

February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

@IonutCatana Esti un vorbitor nativ? Pentru ca nu prea inteleg formele Genative/Dative pentru DP/PA, mi-l poti explica, te rog?

February 28, 2018

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Da, sunt! Adj. pron. demonstrativ și pron. demonstrativ au doar două forme (una pentru nominativ/acuzativ, alta pentru genitiv/dativ). Ca să obții forma de genitiv/dativ, înlocuiești terminația -a și o înlocuiești cu -uia/-eia pentru singular și cu -ora la plural, astfel:

  • acesta - acestuia
  • aceasta - acesteia
  • aceștia - acestora
  • acestea - acestora (plural form is the same)

  • acela - aceluia

  • aceea - aceleia (this one is a bit irregular :P)
  • aceia - acelora (this one also gets an extra "l")
  • acelea - acelora

Let me give you a very interesting piece of advice. In Romanian, the sounds a, e, o, when stressed, BREAK/transform into ă, ea, oa. This is similar to Spanish. I hope this clears up some stuff and helps you understand why, for example, the masculine is ácesta, but the feminine is aceásta.

February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

Va multumesc din suflet! Acum, are mai mult sens. Daca nu va deranjeaza, poti sa-mi dai exemple folosind aceste forme?

February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/IonutCatana
  • Maria are o carte; cartea acesteia este în rucsac. (adjectiv, sg, genitiv)
  • Le-am dat acestora un sfat. (pronume, pl, dativ)
  • Biletele sunt ale acestora. (pronume, pl, genitiv)

Note that a possesive article (al/a/ai/ale) is present before a standalone demonstrative pronoun in the genitive case. Also, translating the last sentence is hard, as "ale acestora" is literally "of these".

February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

Deci, o sa incerc sa traduc prepozitiile tale, sa-mi spui daca sunt corect sau gresit.

  1. Mary has a book; her book is in the backpack.
  2. I give them a tip.
  3. The tickets are theirs.
February 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

@IonutCatana Multumesc pentru tot dar cred ca trebuie sa mai studiez cand sa folosesc the Genitive/Dative form deoarece e un pic confuz pentru mine.

February 28, 2018

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This really helped. This is where I got confused cuz I never thought of it as "informal" and "formal". Thanks a lot.

March 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

Yeah, of course dude/dudette. We’re happy to help!

March 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

@IonutCatana Am vrut sa va intreb despre formele "pre-position". De exemplu: "Acest om" in loc de "Omul acesta"

Poti sa-mi dai lista de aceste forme? Mersi!

March 5, 2018

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Copying examples out of "Romanian: An Essential Grammar" by R. Gönczöl-Davies:

Nominative/Accusative:

Masculine singular: acest copil, copilul acesta

Feminine singular: această fată, fata aceasta

Masculine plural: acești copii, copiii aceștia

Feminine plural: aceste fete, fetele acestea

Genitive/Dative:

Masc. sing.: Acestui copil, copilului acesta

Fem. sing.: Acestei fete, fetele acesteia

Masc. plural: acestor copii, copiilor acestora

Fem. plural: acestor fete, fetelor acestora

March 5, 2018

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@odt5 Thank you so much for those examples!!! XD

March 5, 2018

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I don't think there's much of a trick to it, those words are definitely super confusing sometimes, and learning them can be tedious and frustrating. Just keep reviewing and drilling them and eventually you'll have them down.

They've been mentioned here before, but I found reading through/consulting either of two grammar texts helps: "Romanian. An Essential Grammar" by Ramona Gönczöl-Davies and "Romanian Grammar" by Dana Cojocaru. They provide a lot of details and useful examples.

March 1, 2018

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Also, actually - when I got to that section I made an Anki deck specifically to drill those words, but I never got around to using it. Let me know if you'd want to use it and I can upload it to the Anki shared deck site.

March 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelCristea

Sure, why not. Upload it!

March 1, 2018

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March 4, 2018
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