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"Elle frappe dans la balle."

Translation:She kicks the ball.

March 20, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sporter

Why is 'dans' there? Is it still correct to leave it out?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

Both "Elle frappe dans la balle" and "Elle frappe la balle" are correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kanielc

But why? Doesn't "dans" mean "in"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

I can't say exactly why. "dans" means "in" indeed, but it also has other uses.

We also use it for approximations : "Dans les cent euros." = "About a hundred euros."

It can also mean "during" : "Je le ferai dans la semaine." = "I'll do it during the week."

All these, including "frapper dans quelque chose", are expressions, it's not representing the usual meaning of the word "dans", but are still correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amandalrivera

Thanks, this is very informative.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amandalrivera

Are "un ballon" and "une balle" use equally as often? If not, which is used more often?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

"ballon" is used usually for big objects only (football, basketball, rugby...).

"balle" is used both for big and small objects (baseball, tennis, volley...)

So overall "balle" is more used in common French.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/truffleupagus

My (albeit brief) research says that "frappe" is most accurately translated as "hits" yet "kicks" is given as the correct translation. To me, hit/strike is a very different action than the very specific "kick". Sure, they're in the same region of meaning but wouldn't a more accurate translation for "she kicks" be "elle lance"? Or is this just lost along the lines of translation?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

"to kick" means to hit with a foot

In French it's most of the time translated with "frapper". Sometimes we still need to specify the body part used, then we can use either "donner un coup de ...", or "mettre un coup de ..." (the three dots being the body part).

As for "lancer", it's translated "to throw" (when we're talking about people putting objects away from them, because "lancer" has several meanings).

  • "He kicks him in the knee." = "Il le frappe dans le genou."

  • "He throws the ball over the fence." = "Il lance la balle au dessus de la barrière."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/truffleupagus

'"to kick" means to hit with a foot"'. Thanks, the generalization of hitting things with a different part of the body was the subtle language difference I wasn't picking up on.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/n6zs
  • 2035

We understand that going from the English "to kick" to French will be frapper. I think some of us are wondering how it is going from French frapper to English.... is it all just about context to determine whether we will say hit or kick? Oh, and thanks for all your explanations....always helpful!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

Yes, only context will help you to determine which word to use to translate "frapper". Most of the time it'll be "strike", "hit" or "knock", unless the English sentence requires to specify the body part used.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tani17
  • 2037

but often the rules of the game require a specific body part be used. In baseball you can hit the ball, but you can't kick it. So to say "il frappe la balle" could represent a great move or a rule violation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Arjofocolovi

"il frappe la balle" alone for sure, but if it's a rule violation for example, we'll specify the body part used (or use the term for this specific violation). Don't worry, French has ways to differentiate things as well.

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