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The 'x' method vs. The 'h' method

I'm curious as to why the 'x' method for writing letters with 'hats' is used more than Zamenhof's preferred 'h' method?

The 'h' method seems to make more sense and looks easier to read.

ĉu - chu; ŝi - shi; ĉiuj - chiuj; ĝi - ghi; ŝatas - shatas; ĉokolado - chokolado;

They look like how it's said.

When I see an x I want to pronounce the x, which doesn't work and I have to consciously replace all x's with h's anyway. Why did the less logical choice become popular?

(This isn't necessarily to try and change anything... just an observation from practicing and reading about Zamenhof.)

6 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Vanege
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When I see an h, I want to pronounce the h. But with the h-system, you can't trust the h, because it is already in the alphabet. You have the check the letter before it, to know how to pronounce, and sometimes you have to already know the word to be sure.

Also, according to the h-system, ŭ is written u (instead of uh). Which feels really dirty for the principle "one letter one sound".

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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The X-system was always only ever intended to represent the Esperanto alphabet in computer files. It was never meant to be printed out or written by hand. It has several advantages when used for this purpose. Since X is not an Esperanto letter, the text can be converted by find-and-replace (or an automated version of that today) and it preserves alphabetical order in sorted lists.

I "grew up" when the X system was THE way to represent Esperanto . This was before Unicode - and "latin 3" fonts were a pain in the tail fin. I don't think anything of it.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveRutan
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And in the ancient days of Compuserve you could sometimes see the 'less than' sign used. Ne tre <carme.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DanD_8
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I love the idea of "Mi satas gin". It's like the letters are really laid back ;)

And Lingots for making me remember Compuserve!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveRutan
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Yeah, I didn't invent it, but you could think of it as the 'hat' having fallen off. <Cu vi <satus la <san<gon?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
salivanto
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FLEFO

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaveRutan
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AND before that, the Good Earth forum. These were the days of Jim Deer and text conferences on Saturday nights!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akilleyca.48
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I've seen printed materials with it (f ex materials for upcoming events).

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akilleyca.48
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I tend to use the h because Zhof himslef approved it (IINM) and it's easy enough to disambiguate. The few times s, c, g, or j come before h it's almost always across boundaries of roots and so - can be used to separate them flug-haveno sukces-hava, chas-hundo and a lot of people use aw and ew with h.

I don't mind the x method except that I detest aux and eux (ugly IMHO) I wish the academy would endorse a single ASCII option since the need for ASCII will not go away anytime soon.

my preferences would be h - w ( chirkaw) or x -w (cxirkaw).

I suspect many esperantists prefer the current situation with ASCII chaos because if there were a broadly accpeted single alternative it might made the diacritics obsolete in many to most contexts.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdroege

When I write by hand, I write with the hats (which is actually fun!). When I type, I use the x-method since it is the fastest and easiest for me. The few times I have wanted to alphabetize by computer, the x-method has worked well. You might say my preference is based on habit ...

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alkanadi

I agree with you, but I think people choose x to avoid confusion in pronunciation. Is CH one sound or two?

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LucasSanto309765

or three /ts-h/

6 months ago