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SWEDISH WORD OF THE WEEK: WORD #148

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WORD #148:
FÖRTROLLA (verb, förtrollar, förtrollade, förtrollat)
1. to enchant, bewitch

11 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/PatrikRosen

A very nice word, often used in love connections - hon har förtrollat mig. It is far away from the English "she put a spell on me". The meaning for me is much more about that you let yourself be spelled by someone else. It is something you (often) walk willingly into, because it feels good. It definitive has a positive connection.

But here we truly go into cultural patterns and folk lore. All Swedes today are not aware of "Näcken", a nude boy that sits in the streams and plays the fiddle like the devil, and lures young women to him. The female equivalent is "Skogsrået" or "Skogsfrun", about which is it said that she lures young males into doing what they want.

There "förtrolla" comes into play. Both Näcken and Skogsrået can "förtrolla" you, so you simply follow. You are lost, but happy. :D

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PatrikRosen

And as for all Swedish deep and dangerous things, it always happens in the forest, when you are alone. Many dangers there (both for real and in your mind). There is also where the Trolls live. Like the real ones. The last big ones migrated to Norway, from the last I heard, but there are still plenty of small ones around under rocks with a lot of moss on them. And now I am talking about the REAL trolls, the ones that does not do much harm and have a hard time at the moment. Leave a sausage in the woods the next time you visit.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jettaska
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Tack för ordet. Kan man använda det i meningen att skapan någonting från ingenting?

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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No, that doesn't work.

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https://www.duolingo.com/maryhan1
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What is more, en trollning means magic or juggling :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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No, it doesn't. Magic is trolleri or trollkonster, and juggling usually isn't associated with troll- anything.

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https://www.duolingo.com/maryhan1
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I am sure I have seen trollning in one of Nyhetsmorgon episodes. I found these translations on this website: http://m.interglot.com/sv/en/trollning

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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That's not the first time I've seen Interglot offer incorrect information. The word really does not mean what they claim.

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maryhan1
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Thank you for correcting me then. Does trollning just mean trolling in English?

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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Afraid so. Actually, I just double-checked and apparently it did have the meaning of sorcery a very long time ago - the last entry I found was from the mid 19th century. Maybe Interglot has fed some very old dictionary into their machine? That might explain it. :)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/shirki
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A very useful term while reading "Harry Potter och Hemligheternas Kammare", my current read. :D

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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Haha, imagine how confusing that book would be if you didn't know words with troll in them.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Super-Svensk
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Or if you just assumed that because ett troll means "troll" that all other words with troll in them also had something to do with trolls... :)

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nikolai_Novikov
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just goes to show how perception of trolls changed with time or were they always distinct from trollkarl?

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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They're etymologically related, of course, but have always been conceptually separate as far as I'm aware.

karl just means "man", so it's literally "man who can do magic".

The exact origins of troll are unknown, so it's hard to say for sure when or how all of this happened.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Nikolai_Novikov
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I mean have trolls always been these hulking dumb giants as portrayed on modern tv or were they once meant to be magical creatures in general (and perhaps capable of magic themselves?)

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https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel
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I understand what you mean, it's just that the meanings are very old and the origins are not known.

10 months ago
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