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"These living rooms are very modern and pretty."
Translation:Estas salas son muy modernas y bonitas.
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Why do we use son and not estan? Son is more permanent correct? Couldn't the status of the living rooms change?
AustinCate2 provided a really helpful answer in another forum
ESTÁN = Are - (in reference to location of something. among other things) "los gatos están en la cocina" the cats are in the kitchen.
HAY = Are - (in reference to it is/isn't there, or existence) "Hay dos neveras en la cocina" Two fridges are in the kitchen.
SON = Are - (in reference to attributes & how something is, that likely won't change) "Las neveras en la cocina son pequeñas" The fridges in the kitchen are small.
hope this is helpful!
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Perhaps it's just the specific examples used, but I'm still not understanding the difference between están and hay.
In both examples, the sentence seems to reference a location.
Están relates to location, son related to characteristic. In the sentence to be translated, the living rooms are modern and pretty. These are characteristics, not location. Does that help as to why it is son and not están?
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Hay is "there is/there are" or "is there/are there" -- it is not just "are"
Hay pajaros en el jardin? ¡No! Hay muchos gatos en el jardin!
Also, the status can change in real life but here no hints are given about the eventual change, so in my opinion we shouldn't consider it :)
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People often describe'son' as referring to things that are permanent, & 'están' to things that are temporary; but I believe that to be inaccurate.
'son' (& other versions of 'ser') refer what something IS. A characteristic of that thing. Something IS pretty, it IS green, someone IS a nice person. This man IS a mechanic. Notice that a person having a nice personality, or a place being pretty, or the man's profession, aren't necessarily permanent.
'estan' (& other versions of 'estar') refer to what something is "being". A building is BEING in the location it is in, a person is BEING happy. 'Happy' does not describe what the thing IS, only what it is doing right now (being happy). Notice that though the location of a building is permanent, you would still use 'estar' because location describes not what the building IS, but it's current state of BEING.
As for 'hay', I wouldn't translate that as 'are' at all. 'Hay' describes a state of having something, or something being available. I would translate it as 'there is' or 'have'. 'Hay tomates' = 'There are tomatoes' or, perhaps more recognizably in context, you might use that phrase to mean 'There are tomatoes here.' (in a store you're shopping in or refrigerator you're looking through.)
Because its a description, those adjectives are permanent or lasting atributes of the living rooms. If you want more info, go to this site
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"Very modern" doesn't sound like a lasting attribute to me. DL claims the hanging of a clock on the wall is a temporary thing, and it seems like a distinction without a difference to me.
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I suppose the distinction is that when you wake up tomorrow, your room will still be modern, but your clock might not be hanging on the wall...
Son is a form of Ser and Estan is a form of Estar. Ser and Estar both mean "to be" but are used differently. Estar is used for how you feel and your location and Ser is used for everything else. If you said the couches are here, talking about its location, then you would use Estan.
I had the same question. Found this example to help myself.
Hay = There are/There is -- Hay hombres = There are men.
Son = They are... -- Son hombres = They are men.
I still can't keep it straight.
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People often describe'son' as referring to things that are permanent, & 'están' to things that are temporary; but I believe that to be inaccurate.
'son' (& other versions of 'ser') refer what something IS. A characteristic of that thing. Something IS pretty, it IS green, someone IS nice. Notice that a person having a nice personality, or a place being pretty aren't necessarily permanent.
'estan' (& other versions of 'estar') refer to what something is "being". A building is BEING in the location it is in, a person is BEING happy. 'Happy' does not describe what the thing IS, only what it is doing right now (being happy). Notice that though the location of a building is permanent, you would still use 'estar' because location describes not what the building IS, but it's current state of BEING.
As for 'hay', I wouldn't translate that as 'are' at all. 'Hay' describes a state of having something, or something being available. I would translate it as 'there is' or 'have'. 'Hay tomates' = 'There are tomatoes' or, perhaps more recognizably in context, you might use that phrase to mean 'There are tomatoes here.' (in a store you're shopping in or refrigerator you're looking through.)
In Spanish we use "Living" room too "Ella está en el living" (She is in the living room) Just to clarify
"Salas de estar" too, and this in the house, idk if outside the house term it works like this
My rooms go from typical bachelor chic to clean(-er) depending on company...so their state definitely isn't permanent...but I will try and understand / appreciate the concept . ;-)
I feel like I've fallen in a glossy and very shallow sales brochure. Who EVER says something like that?
if salas is the correct vocabulary shouldn't it show up when you mouse over living rooms?
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Don't rely on the pop up hints. They are not a list of correct answers... only possible ones. Also... that is a crutch which will impede learning.
Estas salas son muy modernas y preciosas. This is as fluent as it get but this is not something a native speaker would say. Also my answer was not accepted.
With 'habitaciones' that word is more commonly used for just a normal room in general, which does include a bedroom, but with the word 'dormitorio' that is more commonly associated with a bedroom where you sleep and that has a bed in.
Once again marked wrong when (triple checked), the correct answer was exactly what I inputted. Now I recall the frustration the app presents. Thank you for checking yourselves.
When i push 'y' for the word 'and' the female voice says ee-greer-duh. What does that mean?
It seems as if you are fighting the lesson ; you have to.understand that you (we are trying to. learn ...it just use your knowledge and keep going on..man;i'm having. some of the same problems too.,ismile shake my head and go along ,for the time been .toget s head..ok?.thanks for your pieces.david
Dormitorio is bedroom or dorm(itory). I would translate living room as salón or sala de estar.
you just taught that living rooms are Salas and that is what appears when we hover of the word, and yet the answer is wrong and we need to use salones?
Also, as happens often, the first words of Spanish offered as a response were superimposed over the second row. Thank you again for checking yourselves.
estan is a conjugation of the verb estar. It is not used in this sentence, but see below for the whole conjugation.
In this sentence estas [no accent!] means "these," specifying "these living rooms."
yo estoy, tú estás, él/ella está, nosotros estamos, ellos/ellas están
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why does duo lose sound on my 3rd lesson? -- it did it the last two days. I can't answer some of the questions if there is no sound.
I use my smart phone and sometimes the choices cover the original sentence, so there is no way to know what I am supposed to translate :( Or it won't register when I touch an option... Is this a problem with my phone or the program coding? :)
The sentence is incorrect in English. If you use "modern" and "pretty" to describe the same thing, "pretty" is supposed to come first. Opinion (pretty) always comes first whereas age (modern) or even origin (modern) come after. https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/order_of_adjectives.htm
When I looked at that link I learned that by using the "and" to separate the adjectives they are "coordinating adjectives" and in that case, order does not matter. "Coordinate adjectives are also multiple adjectives that modify the same noun, but, with coordinate adjectives, their order is far less important because they can be used individually with the noun. In other words, they do not cumulate their meaning with other adjectives. Also, coordinate adjectives should be separated with commas or "and" to make it clear they're not cumulative adjectives."
You need to be careful and pay close attention to the accents used in Spanish words.
Accents not only inform you how to pronounce words--they sometimes change the meanings of words.
Esto/Este/Esta all mean "This".
Estos/Estas each means "These".
"Estar" means "To be"
"Está" = He/She/It/Usted is
"Estás" = You (singular informal) are
You are forgetting some:
Esa/Eso/Ese all mean that Esas/Esos each mean those
That would translate *really" modern? Also the "very" seems to modify BOTH "modern" and "pretty" so I don't think you can just alter "modern."
Why modernas y bonitas is used instead of modernos y bonitos ...as there is estas(musculine)
las salas is feminine. estas is also feminine. Therefore so are modernas y bonitas.
estan is a conjugation of the verb estar. It is not used in this sentence, but see below for the whole conjugation.
In this sentence estas [no accent!] means "these," specifying "these living rooms."
yo estoy, tú estás, él/ella está, nosotros estamos, ellos/ellas están
estas salas son muy modernos y bonitos - was wrong
so if the sentence starts with feminime words or whatever then the whole sentence have to stay like that? I feel like there have been a bunch of sentences where it's mixed
You would have to give specific examples for where it's "mixed"--could be there are different nouns with different genders in the same sentence.
But yes, in this sentence, since salas is feminine, then so also are estas, modernas, y bonitas, because they're all describing the subject salas. And, as you can see, they're also all plural.
I wouldn't make a rule that says "the whole sentence has to stay like that", because it depends on the sentence, of course.
why is salones not accepted? i have been learning 'salon' as the 'living room'. have reported it as should be accepted
It probably would be accepted, but did you ensure that everything then followed the masculine gender? Estos salones son muy modernos y bonitos.
I have answered this correctly five times and do it was still marking wrong please correct this situation thank you very much
Esas is "those" Estas is "these"
You use them the same way you would use "those" or "these" in English
Is anybody having issues trying to pick the correct answer whehn it talks about living rooms being beautiful and very modern?
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I make the correct choice, but it does not acknowledge my choice. It only acknowledges the two wrong answers
Does anyone else see this sentence all the time? For me it appears in every single practice, sometimes more than once in a practice.
Does anyone else see this question all the time? For me it appears in every single practice, sometimes more than once!
Please tell me what is incorrect about Estas salas son muy modernas and bonitas
I don't think putting "estos" is a big deal instead of putting "estas".
I find the word 'pretty' very awkward and out of fashion in English. As I mentioned previously, I don't see it being used anymore in books, magazine, TV, movies. In my view, I can only see it being used about contestants in "Toddlers and Tiaras", and even then, it seems inappropriate.
I might use it from time to time, but never about rooms (which sounds ridiculous).
