https://www.duolingo.com/choros

Audio in Klingon?

Is there a way to set up audio for Klingon? Is pronounciation even in the course? Will be?

March 15, 2018

65 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

There is currently no Audio for the Duolingo Klingon course.

If the course gets popular enough, audio may be added later.

(But it's not possible to give an ETA for that.)

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Rekov
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This is a real shame. Perhaps you ought to include pronunciations of the letters in the first Tips and Notes section at least.

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/PotatoSanta

If they add audio the Klingon course and Duolingo itself will get more popular if they let courses out before they are ready, add no audio, neglect them, ignore everyone's concerns and questions and let them out of beta early like they have with Swahili then people will become frustrated, find the site ineffective and give up. I hope they realize this soon.

March 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

Kind of a catch 22 - how can it become more popular if people are waiting for audio in order to use it?

March 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/DerGoldmann

What about any plans to add pIqaD script? For the Russian and Ukrainian courses there used to be bar at the top of the page that let you to switch back and forth between Latin Romanization and Cyrillic.

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

I have seen how it's done in those courses and I would love to do exactly that! However, our priority was getting the basics complete and worrying about these complicating issues later. I hope we get enough long term users and learners to prove to DL that it is worth the effort to add that.

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/DerGoldmann

I hope so too! Thanks for the response.

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

Does an IME even exist for this on any platform? There is no use at all in a script that is impossible to input, whereas Russian and Ukrainian keyboards are universally supported on all modern devices.
I notice that Unicode rejected a proposal to include this script on the basis that even Klingon-speakers never used it...

March 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
March 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/qurgh

There's pIqaD support for Windows: https://hol.kag.org/

March 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ApostleCha

That's just plain backward thinking. The fact that it doesn't have audio is what will cause people to quit early, thus causing it to not gain much traction.

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Alexandriaweb

I hope it gets added, I find it a lot easier to pick up a language if I can hear it as well as see it.

March 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

I agree. It's basically useless until there's some audio. Can't learn a language if you don't know how to say the words!

March 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/PotatoSanta

No audio is not sufficient for Duolingo

March 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

It's been mentioned on other threads, but I want to make sure everyone knows that Duolingo did finally create a system to allow the contributors to record audio for the sentences. We have been adding audio to some of the sentences, but we are moving slowly and still have many many to add. If you gave up on the course because it lacked audio, please try it again and see if the audio we have added makes it better for you.

April 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Marguerid

Just re- started learning because finally there are audios - enough to get an idea. Thanks for the slow and clear pronounciation! Qapla'!

April 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/dlyongemallo

There's no built-in (i.e., easy) way right now. If you're on Android, you can use the Klingon Text-To-Speech engine (available on the Google Play Store) to read the sentences. Another option, which is OS-independent, is to use https://hol.kag.org/page/sentenceplayer . However, both of these methods require you to type the thing you want to say.

Disclaimer: That's my voice on the Klingon TTS and KAG's sentence player.

March 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/dlyongemallo

Update to this: I've added a feature to the latest version which allows you to select a sentence and send it to the TTS directly from the text selection menu.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Lori_Ingram

Thanks! This makes it even easier, just like using the cut/paste highlighting feature in a word processor. I don't know if someone already said it, but using the browser's "desktop version" checkbox seems to make it cooperate more than just letting it auto-select the mobile version of a browser, at least on my phone.

September 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ApostleCha

Unfortunately I am lucky enough to figure out how to get into this app. I don't even understand any of this techy stuff you guys are talkjng about.

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Lori_Ingram

Thank you for posting this. I am on a Galaxy Note 8 and have installed your app and TTS engine. It works well with the split-screen feature and the phone in its usual vertical mode, so those on phones that have it won't have to constantly switch between the app and browser. Note to people trying this: it seems to work better with the boQwI' app on top because the term suggestions when you start typing your word might obstruct your keyboard if it's on the bottom. I'm more willingly to wait it out on the audio feature now.

March 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/harlandski

Several courses with no (or limited) audio have auxiliary courses with pronunciation of individual words on Memrise. Any chance of this for Klingon? :-)

April 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jewpsy

I was really excited to learn Klingon, but I don't really see the point without audio.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

You might be right, though it seems plenty of Duo users feel that it is great even without audio. However, it's not that we released it early before audio had been completed. Basically Duolingo said that it wasn't going to get audio until the course had proven itself, so if we want audio we needed to release the course. If you would prefer to wait until audio has been added, I certainly understand and sympathize. I'm hoping that enough people complete the course even without audio so that we can convince Duo that it's worth putting in the time, effort, and resources to add audio to the course.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

The only thing wrong with this line of thinking from Duolingo is this - since learning a new language requires knowing how to say the words, there will be fewer people willing to start the course. So in that case, they will be less likely to add audio. The whole thing becomes a Catch 22. You must have audio to learn a new language, especially one as foreign as Klingon!

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

You don't have to convince us. We have always pushed for audio and we will continue to push for audio. Duolingo does not read the Klingon forum and will not see your complaint here.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jewpsy

First of all thank you for all the amazing work you are doing. Second, if Duolingo doesn't read the forums how is it possible to tell them our dissatisfaction with this policy? I agree with what was said - it creates catch 22.

April 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

Thank you for appreciating our hard work. We are so happy to see so many people enjoying it and wish there was something we could do ourselves to fix all the problems. We are doing everything we can to fix the problems we can and are letting Duolingo know about the problems and complaints that are out of our control. I understand that there are forums somewhere that allow you to complain directly to Duolingo, but I have been focusing on the Klingon forums and can't direct you to the right place.

April 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ApostleCha

They are thinking backwards. Klingon pronunciation has many sounds that are complicated to pronounce correctly. Who in their right mind would want to complete a language course well known for it's exceptionally difficult pronunciation on a course with no audio?

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

100% correct!

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Junia_D

No audio was a shock. Having to use outside reference sites for the pronunciation of the words and phrases makes learning more cumbersome (and hence a bit less enjoyable).

Is there an "official" way to petition (show support) for the addition of audio?

March 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ItsCharctrFrmng

Thanks so much for the work in adding this course guys. I'm disappointed there no audio and I really can't understand why it's an issue for Duolingo. Oh well, more to enjoy when it's eventually added.

May 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jamesj946383

Shame that the only reason that I tried this app was for the klingon.

June 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/darioditor1

Thank you guys for the hard work and the external resources. I will definitely try them out. Anyhow, if you come up with a way to show Duolingo that there are people out there that are just waiting for the sound to complete the course, please let us know. When Klingon came out, without knowing that it was published without audio, I've reported it as a bug to the Duolingo team.

July 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/The9

Since all Klingon mods say they want to make audio, why don't you make it and upload it somewhere else than duolingo? Just upload the audio files to an external site (or even such a simple solution as a public dropbox).

Also, a Klingon audio dictionary would be great. Qapla!

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

If you mean a dictionary of just words used on Duolingo, I think we are already putting too much effort into other parts of Duolingo to work on that, but I'm sure there are some Memrise flashcard sets that have the Duolingo vocabulary and maybe even pronunciations, though I can't vouch for the quality of them.

However, if you mean a complete dictionary of the known Klingon language, there are a couple good sources AND they DO include audio.

The boQwI' app for mobile devices is kept up to date. For the Android app you have to install a separate boQwI' TTS to get the audio. I'm not sure whether iOS has it already integrated or a separate app to install, too. On some devices you can even highlight a word in other apps and hold your finger on it and an option will pop up to have boQwI' read the word.

The website called Hol 'ampaS at hol.kag.org includes sound files when you click on the word (depending on how you are finding the word, you might have to click on the word on a couple different screens to get to the sound file). Hol 'ampaS also has a Chrome extension (and maybe for other browsers too) that allows you to highlight a word and either look it up or play the audio.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/The9

Thank you, that app (boQwl') seems to be very close to what I'm looking for. Only thing that seems to be missing are 'word stems' (I think that's the correct linguistic term), like for example I wanted to look up the pronunciation of the word "SuvwI'pu'" but I could only find "Suv", not "wI'" or "pu'".

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

They are there, but they are not full words, they can only appear as suffixes on the word. Try looking up -wI' with the hyphen first and -pu' with a hyphen. Also, try entering SuvwI'pu' in the search bar. The suggested searches that drop down should show you all the different parts. Also if you go to a complex word that has it's own entry, there should be a line on the page for that word that says, "Analyze:____" For instance if you go to SuvwI' and click on Analyze: SuvwI' it will show you Suv + -wI'.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/The9

You are right, they are there. I will definitely use this app in combination with duolingo. I just noticed one thing about the app that could be improved: the search field should show a list of "recently searched words", that would be very useful. If you know the developers, maybe you can suggest they add this.

It's quite annoying that duolingo couldn't just include the audio from the start, it would have been much simpler. I made an official bug report to them that they should add it. Maybe it will still not be added, but at least it will remind them that people are unhappy with the lack of audio.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

If you search for boQwI' within boQwI' it will take you to a page which has the developers email address on it.

Thanks for encouraging the developers to work faster on the audio availability. They are supposedly working on something that will let us add audio, but we don't know how much of a priority it is and reminders from the students might actually help them make it a higher priority.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

Or... you could just go here and learn Klingon complete with pronunciation and forget Duolingo's inadequacies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3G1gSWuy7Y&t=327s

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

Given how many learners don't read the tips and notes with the grammar explanations, which are an official part of the Duolingo course, mostly because they aren't even aware that they exist (they're a bit hidden on the website, and the mobile apps don't even tell you about them let alone let you access them, as far as I know) -- how would you expect learners to find off-site pronunciation guides?

Honest question.

(Just uploading a file somewhere on the Internet doesn't magically make it play when the corresponding sentence is presented to a learners in the app or on the website, so the learner would have to actively seek them out -- meaning they would have to know of their existence in the first place.)

Also, it's possible that there may be a way for us to record our own audio as part of the course in the future, and if we uploaded sound off-site before that, we'd be duplicating effort.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/The9

To answer your question, I don't expect casual learners to find off-site pronunciation guides, but for those like me who actively look for it (for example by visiting this forum) it would be great.

December 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/knockpoint

Kilingon without audio is useless. The language uses punctuation as letters. What sound does that make? Do the other letters make the same sounds as in English. I was really looking forward to this being released but I can’t use it. I love Duolingo, and I have been using it for more than a year now to learn Spanish, but this was a mistake.

June 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

The tips and notes for the "Sounds 1" unit include some notes on pronunciation.

We would have loved to include audio with the course, but that was not our decision to make.

As it is, the "Sounds 1" unit -- which was supposed to showcase all the sounds by letting users hear all the sounds of Klingon at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of a syllable (as far as possible) is currently just a jumble of random vocabulary words since there is no audio to go along with it. But the pronunciation notes may still be useful.

June 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/knockpoint

My comment is not to the people who worked hard to make the course. My complaint is with duolingo not wanting to put audio until it’s “popular” enough (Is there a metric they are using? What’s the benchmark the course has to meet?). I want to express that I very much appreciate all the hard work done by all those working on the course. Please let me know how I can help convince duolingo to get audio for this course.

June 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

Unfortunately only the people who worked hard to make the course are reading the forum for the course. The powers that can decide to work with us to add audio are not monitoring these boards. I don't know that we are at liberty to share the benchmark that has been indicated to us, but I have my doubts we will ever reach it. Lately Duolingo has been releasing a lot of courses without audio, so I think the complaint is falling on deaf ears. The only thing I can suggest is perhaps to file your complaint as a bug report: https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

It's not really a programming bug, but rather a feature decision, but the staff at least monitors those reports, so it's the only way I know of to communicate how much of a problem you think it is.

June 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Tori138333

I would really like audio for Klingon.

July 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

So would we.

July 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ngocluuquang

Yeah

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

Fortunately it's here and audio is slowly being added to more and more of the sentences.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SillyAlice02

Yup, learning any language without audio is a complete waste of time. It's cool they have Klingon but I wont even bother with it until there is audio.

August 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Nelman6

I gave up on Duolingo's Klingon. I'm learning it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3G1gSWuy7Y

August 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/qurgh

Combine the two! It's what I do!

Duolingo is great for practicing grammar and learning words, while Learn Klingon the Easy(ish) way is great for learning pronunciation and more words!

Be aware that he makes a few errors early on. His pronunciation of words with {ng} in them (especially at the start) tends to be off. He'll say {vIn-gev} instead of {vI-ngev}.

September 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ApostleCha

The imaginations in those listen are too overthetop silly for my tastes.

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

If you think his sentences are too crazy, definitely don't continue the Duolingo Klingon course!

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Sander593826

I’ve tried the first lesson. It’s hopeless without sound. I’ll wait.

April 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

Many of the sentences in the first lesson now have audio. Did you hear no audio at all while doing it? What platform are you using?

April 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LianneLavoie

I just checked to see if there was audio (as I do every now and then), and was so excited when I clicked the first lesson and heard it!! So is it just the first lesson for now? But does this mean it's soon going to be all of them? This is so exciting! :D

April 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

It's not every sentence in the first lesson, but it's at least a few senses in about the first ten Skills plus more sprinkled in later Skills. And more being added slowly.

April 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/melscohen

Heh, I volunteered/applied to help with adding audio through Duo Incubator but I was told my assistance was not needed.

April 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

I don't know anything about your application specifically. Many applications are kept pending in case it is decided that we do need some help. Generally the only ones that are rejected are the ones that clearly are not able to speak Klingon. I don't know if that's what happened to your application or if some other problem occurred. Unfortunately there aren't specific positions for people to only record audio and so we would only consider someone who had the skills to also help with other parts of the course. We already have 5 people working on the audio and other parts of the course and it is felt that a larger group would make things more difficult, rather than easier. I don't think anyone is being rejected just because no one is needed at this time, but the offer would have to be exceptionally compelling for it to be considered for inclusion. Thank you for your offer, though. I hope you are enjoying the audio that has been added.

April 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Sander593826

Thanks for the pointer! I took up Klingon again and am halfway the second block. The audio makes it much more enjoyable. Thanks for your efforts!

April 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ngocluuquang

Maybe it will come soon because now it is in beta

May 27, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jdmcowan

On Duolingo, languages are launched in beta and Klingon has been in beta for a long time. However, we have recently gotten the ability to add audio. Many of the sentences now have audio and we are slowly adding more and more.

May 27, 2019
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