https://www.duolingo.com/Martina786815

How do I get out of the crown level and back to how it was?

French from English: I don't like the new crown level system at all. First of all I can't get back to the original exercises. I like to be able redo those on occasion and now they aren't available at all. Since the switch none of the exercises in the idiom section are English to French (and that is really needed to learn these idioms). Furthermore the same 4 idioms repeat over and over. I know there are other idioms but they don't ever show up anymore.

Is there any way to get back to the old system???? I really don't like this at all.

Thanks

March 22, 2018

12 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
March 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/duolearn4321

If you're on Android here's how to go back - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26854073

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/rebuuilt

Hi Martina! If you simply need to view the idioms, you can check this link out: https://www.memrise.com/course/61965/duolingo-french/84/

Then cover the left hand/right hand column then try to guess what they mean. Old school, but it's the best I can think of right now.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Martina786815

Thanks so much! That is incredibly helpful!

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Martina786815

Thanks again and if you have a Memrise subscription you can use that to learn this list of idioms. That way they get truly cemented in the brain! I didn't know that there were Memrise courses that drew on Duolingo. For anyone else out there who wants to learn these idioms and also uses Memrise that is a great way to proceed.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Big_Head80

Would really love to get out of these crowns....

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Hi Martina786815,

The skills for which your have a low "crown-level" will, on purpose, give easy exercises (so no, or almost none, "answer in the target language" exercises) while, on the other hand, the skills for which your have a high "crown-level" should give you more difficult exercises.

Note that the "crown-levels" are different from your "level" (the "24" next to your French flag on forums, for example).

none of the exercises in the idiom section are English to French

It's because your "crown-level" for this skill is 1, which is a low "crown-level" hence you don't have "hard" exercises like "translate into the learned language".
As you'll increase your "crown-level" (by retaking, several times, the lessons), you'll have more and more "translate into the learned language". exercises.

Furthermore the same 4 idioms repeat over and over. I know there are other idioms but they don't ever show up anymore.

[Here I'm guessing] My guess is that only 4 idioms are evaluated as "easy exercises" (the classification is base on how often the all community fails on a given exercises: the community is likely failing a lot on idioms).
If my guess is true, then you'll have more and more exercises as you increase your "crown-level" for that skill. Because you'll have access to "harder" exercises.

I really don't like this at all.

FYI: Duo is slowly switching everybody definitively into this new system.

March 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Martina786815

I got defaulted into level 3 crowns on virtually all the skills. This makes no sense. I'm at level 24 and had a 73% fluency level in the old system. I rarely get anything wrong and I have an over 600 day streak so I'm clearly doing my French exercises daily. It is very frustrating to be put into this easy level. And I really have no interest in building up again when I was already at one of the higher skill levels. For some odd reason I got put at level 1 for idioms. I've actually mastered all the idioms earlier -- have gotten them right repeatedly but still wish to review them and can't. Yesterday I redid the idiom section over 8 times and still only 4 idioms show up over and over again. This is really boring. Somehow in the switch over you aren't matching people with their skill level. So now I'm stuck with far too easy exercises and am considering leaving Duolingo. I don't think that was your intention. Also please address the issue of not being able to go back to the initial lessons. Why can't we access those anymore?

March 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/rebuuilt

Hi Martina! If you simply need to view the idioms, you can check this link out: https://www.memrise.com/course/61965/duolingo-french/84/

Then cover the left hand/right hand column then try to guess what they mean. Old school, but it's the best I can think of right now.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Somehow in the switch over you aren't matching people with their skill level. [...] I don't think that was your intention. Also please address the issue of not being able to go back to the initial lessons.

Just to clarify (because I have the impression there is a misunderstanding): I am not matching anything, I am not working at/for Duolingo.
I'm a user, like you, who tries to share what I know about the system (and the fact that it's a DEFINITIVE switch).

Why can't we access those anymore?

AFAIK, they'll be accessible when on higher "crown-levels".
AFAIK, it's the only way to have them as exercises.

I got defaulted into level 3 crowns on virtually all the skills. This makes no sense

You can report a bug to staff here. That's the only thing I see that you could do.

March 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/cazort

Duolingo has never replied to any of my bug reports and rarely fixes the bugs I report. Why would I waste my time reporting bugs any more?

I was hopeful that the new skill level system would address some of my long-standing complaints but hearing about its dysfunctionality from others makes me worried that this is just going to further break Duolingo.

I have such disgust with the management of this site. They took a good product and ruined it. And for what?

March 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal

Duolingo has never replied to any of my bug reports

Yes, Duo never replies to any bug reports (they clearly state it in the report form).
I'd like to know they read my reports too, as I think they are well documented and useful. But given that they receive very likely thousands of reports a day, I prefer by far that they answer to none than starting to answer them: they would fix even less things! Better they keep using them to make themselves an idea of what are the most impacting bugs and flag the few ones they read that have useful detailed information when not idea of solution.

Why would I waste my time reporting bugs any more?

I saw plenty of them being fixed and improvement proposed being pushed live.
There are, of course, a bunch of other bugs I saw mentioned and/or reported myself that are still there. But there are many that have been fixed over the past years.
(Don't read me wrong, there are still plenty of bugs that I reported (about the courses on website, about the forums, about the incubator (for contribs)) that are still there and for some of them I'm convinced the solution would be simple. But it's their product and they order their TODO list based on their criteria... that's how it is.)

Maybe the bugs that annoys you the most are

  • either not the ones that annoy the most the community
    (AFAIWasTold, the number of reports (done by the form, of course) is one of the criteria on which they prioritize their TODO list on bugs)
  • or of the hardest ones to solve

?
What is clear to me is that complaining in the forums will not make the bugs being fixed. Not more that actually keeping reporting them through the dedicated channel. But complaining feels good, sometimes, I agree.

They took a good product and ruined it. And for what?

They created a product the way they see it being the best way then made it evolve guided with the same principle...

March 24, 2018
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