Crown levels: a question to the Duo community
I am a returning Duolingo user, but the new set-up has me pretty discombobulated. Not saying that I don't appreciate it, but does anyone have any tips about how I proceed? What crown level should I get on each skill before moving onto the next one? I used to gauge my knowledge of a skill by its shiny golden cover, but now that it's gone, I'm wondering how to determine my knowledge of it. How many levels do you go through before they just give you stuff you already know (as opposed to giving you new stuff)?
I know by now that simply getting one crown level is enough to proceed to the next skill, but I still feel a strange sort of bereavement, and have been feverishly working on my ABC skill and Basics 1, afraid that I'm 'not fit' to move onto the next one.
The obvious answer to my problem is trial and error—keep working on one skill until they begin to give me the things I've already learned—but maybe other skills have different 'stopping levels.'
If anyone has suggestions on how to proceed, I would be delighted to hear them!
Even if it's just a personal preference ("I go to the fourth crown level before I proceed to my next skill" or "Just get one crown level on each, and if you find you're not ready, go back and get another crown level on previous skills"), I would be very pleased with it. Just so I have something to gauge my progress; it would be very much appreciated.
Thanks so much!
(In advance, I had no intention of spamming the forums. I searched the discussion for similar questions, but no such luck. It could just be my lack of ability to use the right keywords.)
Someone suggested this to me and so far it's working well. I work in "tiers."
The top part of my tree is level 5 and shiny gold. A few rows down, though, are some skills at level 4, then the next row down is level 3, then 2, then 1, then newly unlocked skills that I haven't started, then all my locked skills.
I work on the level 4 skills and bring them to a level 5, then drop down and bring the level 3 to level 4, then the level 2 to level 3, level 1 to level 2, the newly unlocked skills to level 1, and this unlocks a new row of skills which I ignore.
I go back up to my level 4 and start working my way through all my active skills again.
In this way I have a good mix of new material in small quantities at an easy manageable level (the newly unlocked skills), more difficult and complex exercises of more familiar material in great heaping quantities (the level 4 working on 5), and a bunch of stuff in between for interest.
Oh, this is wonderful! Thank you so much! Makes me think of like a wedding cake... of languages. :D Thanks so much for your input--I'll use it at once.
That's a great way of thinking of it! It's a simple concept but surprisingly hard to explain with only words. I kept wanting to wave my hands about, and show you some pictures >.<
Haha, no worries! You did a wonderful job explaining. I haven't been able to stop smiling. :D Right now I'm in the middle of getting my first skills up to level 5...
Yes, apparently level 5 skills go golden. I was unaware of this, but it's wonderful to know.
Yes, I'm just starting this, and I've already decided that I don't want everything to be guilded. I want some sections at level 3 or 4 so it's a visual reminder that I need to go back occasionally and do the basics.
Like everyone else, at first I was like "oh my golden tree", and then I soon realized it's actually helpful as a visual reminder of where you are in practice at each level.
I've gone through and made a few in the early part of the tree completely golden, and with German and Spanish I'm finding that in the midst of the monotony of it, there are some little things that I was getting wrong, and the repetition has been more helpful than I wanted to admit.
This is exactly how I feel, the repetition kind of makes me want to rip my face off, especially in the basics (there's only so many times I can say I am a woman before I want to scream) but it has improved my Dutch so much and there were a lot of litle things I was getting wrong because I'd just sped past the basics and then never looked at them again.
It is OK when you start new.. But when you are already the highest level it is simply non-sense...
Thanks. What I really want is an understanding of the overall crown level and what it means.
Just a gamified metric, just like XP and XP level. If it motivates you to do more practices on things you need to practice, great. If it distracts you from tackling harder content because you're happier getting more crowns on content you already know backwards and forwards, probably not so great.
For my part, neither of the above. I'm peeved because I had practiced SO much before the change, including re-taking parts or all of quite a few of the skills. I tried to practice more than studying new skills, in my desire to master this stuff. Yet, when the UI changed to crowns I was credited for none of my practice (except, bizarrely, exactly one, Basics 2). I'm really pretty sure I studied Past Tense all the way through 2 or 3 times.
OK, so it's gamified and, really, meaningless next to the metric of just how well do I survive in the real Spanish-speaking world. Still. Give me credit for what I studied, don't kick me back down the stairs.
I'm really pretty sure I studied Past Tense all the way through 2 or 3 times.
Do you mean you did all the lessons 2 or 3 times? Or that you think you did every sentence in the skill 2 or 3 times?
After finishing the skill, I opened it up again and studied each lesson one by one. I could swear I studied all of them, but honestly, it's not like I was trying to remember whether I had or not, then, so I can't be precisely sure. But that was my intent.
Going through the lessons generally only exposed you to a fraction of the total sentences available. There's probably a lot more to learn (and learn better).
Obviously you've got your eye on the real metric. Use Duolingo to the extent that it helps you on that.
So I have been trying to see if in fact the level of difficulty changes as I go up in the crown levels... I am in level 25 and 22 in Spanish (from English and from french) and I went back to debutant level.. tried with animals... and honestly I got sick and tired of dealing with gato and gata drinking or not drinking so many times that I got tired of it and went back to the exercises... At least Duolingo could have applied our current levels to the new crown levels. I do agree that there is a need to expand our knowledge when you come to a high level, but restarting what seems to be from scratch is simply "ridiculous"... I guess it is still free .. so cannot really complain...
I share your frustration. The lower levels are very easy, and tiresome to repeat, and repeat, and repeat.
I'm generally getting a lot more translation into the target language than I did before.
Did you try out the system on a skill you still have particular difficulties with?
Personally it demotivates me to go re-learn or practice older skills, On the old "Golden" interface I saw where I was low of some, and sad "Ok, lets power it up" Now I rather skip practice. It is clearly visible from my stats. Hope somewhere at the backend, the data analyts sees also, and makes changes (rollback)
Duolingo is still one of the best free stuff I ever faced. There are Zillions of users .
Hope they have resources for changing that.
I couldn't agree more. The Golden shiny badge was the reward for going back and working on old content. Now it's just a higher number on the badge. Very unmotivating. I would love to switch back to the old system as well. Hopefully duolingo is watching and listening to the community!
There shouldn't be anything demotivating about "re-learning" something if it has faded that substantially from your memory. Such negative feelings might come from judging yourself too harshly when lots of practice and review are just what is necessary for everyone.
Here are some good discussions about the new crown system: