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  5. "muSaH'a'? HISlaH. DuSaH."

"muSaH'a'? HISlaH. DuSaH."

Translation:Does he care about me? Yes. He cares about you.

March 25, 2018



I like this course and klingon in general but there should be less "does x do y? Yes/no, he does/doesn't" phrases. It's annoying and boring. Try putting some funnier phrases and you might add some vocabulary in that too.


Once you pass the "verb prefix practice" unit, you will find nearly none of them.

One reason we use them there is to make the distinction between "you (singular)" and "you (plural)" clearer -- the clue will be in whether the answer uses "I.../...me" or "we.../...us"

This way, we can force you to use particular prefixes that you might otherwise not have used.

Once the prefixes have been (hopefully) drilled, this becomes less necessary.

(And in fact, the remainder of the course uses mostly a subset of the prefixes, especially ones where either the subject or the object is third person: much less "we ... you" or "you ... us".)


I completely get why you, the course creators, have structured the course the way you have, and I've been meaning to say, GREAT JOB, GUYS!! Yes, the verb prefixes/conjugations and related examples may feel a bit tedious now, but they're a very complicated aspect of the language which is unlike any Earth language I know of, and we NEED to be able to learn them in order to structure the simplest of sentences. And this type of sentence structure in particular helps us to learn which pronoun prefixes mirror each other. Once we get the verb prefixes down, I'm sure there will be a lot more nouns, adjectives, and other fun stuff thrown at us. There are a lot of steep learning curves in Klingon that have become apparent with each advancing lesson, and I think the course creators have done a great job of setting everything up the way you did. Satlho' !!

If you as Klingon learners are in this for the long haul, I'm sure you'll be rewarded very soon. We're still in the very early stages - just keep at it!


Shouldn't "Does she care about me? Yes. She cares about you." also be a valid response?


Yes. It is one of the "best" translations. If you tried to enter it and it was rejected, is it possible you had some other error? I see a "my answer should have been accepted" report where the s was left off of "cares". Could that be what you entered? Because "care" is also a word, but not correct in this case, the software marks it as incorrect. If that's not it, do you have a screen shot of your correct sentence showing it marked as an error?


shouldn't "do they care about me? yes, they care about you" be acceptable?

I checked my answer a few times for any other minor error and couldn't see one.

I know there's no 's' on care in my answer but 'they cares' wouldn't make sense.


No. They-you would be nI-.


They can be singular. just feels like if I heard this interaction in the real world with no context of the gender of the subject I'd parse it using the word they.

edit: sorry read further down the thread and seen the explanation for why they isn't accepted.


Using "singular they" can be confusing on this course, because it might mean that you don't learn the distinction between "he/she/it" and "plural they" prefixes properly.

For example, translating lulegh as "they see them" can be confusing because "they/them" uses the null prefix, while lu- has a singular object.

For this reason, "singular they" is not accepted on this course -- "they" is always considered plural.

If a third-person singular pronoun is needed, please pick one of "him" or "her". (Or "he/she", as appropriate for case.)


Is there any way to add "care for" instead of "care about" as possible translations?


To care for someone, as in to take care of them, is a different thing from to care about someone, to be concerned about someone.

care for = Qorgh

care about = SaH


I gotcha. But what about things like "I don't care for coffee". Would that just be 'parHa''?


par, actually -- par is "dislike", parHa' is sometimes used for "like".

Otherwise yes.


Would a Klingon care if someone cared about them? I find it interesting that this word exists in the language...


Klingons are people too! :-) We see in Star Trek that they have families, they mate and go through a bonding ritual similar to marriage, they have children, and they howl and mourn when other Klingons die. Of course they care about each other, although they may express it differently from how humans do. I think the fact that the word SaH exists in Klingon, and the fact that it means 'to care about someone' as weĺl as 'to care (in general)' should be ample proof of that.


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A few of the questions that are set up like this dont seem to accept 'they' as a correct answer when it comes to the gender of the subject person. Am I missing something in the sentence that states the gender or is it a genuine error?


The course generally doesn't accept they as a singular pronoun in English, not because it isn't a perfectly valid pronoun, but because to ensure people understand the difference between ghaH, chaH, and bIH. People already get confused because the last two are both they.

Yes, singular they is a perfectly valid translation of ghaH, but for the course, please just pick he or she to show that you understand that a subject is third person singular. ghaH represents any gender in the singular. For language-using beings chaH represents any combination of genders in the plural. And bIH represents any group of non-language using things, beings, and/or concepts.


Am I missing something in the sentence that states the gender

Klingon doesn't really have gender (beyond animate/inanimate for ghaH versus 'oH or for the body parts/speaking people/other distinction in the plural suffix), but there is a number distinction: DuSaH can only mean that the subject is third person singular (he, she, it). It cannot be third person plural (they) as "they care about you" would be nISaH.

muSaH could theoretically be either "he, she, it" or "they", but given that the answer uses Du-, also muSaH must logically have a subject of "he, she, it" but not "they".

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