https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DonMartin1

Why So Much Repetition of Basics?

I have been at level 25 in German for about two years and my tree has often been entirely gold through that time. Now with the new crown system I have to do a large number of lessons to re-gold the simplest skills. Is there any way to skip all the time it takes? The time is a waste in my view. Is there any alternative to quickly re-gold the simple skills?

March 28, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pont

I haven't yet had the dubious pleasure of trying out the crown system, but even without it I've always found that Duolingo's skill decay algorithm is inaccurate at longer time-scales. No matter how advanced I got in my German skills, Duolingo was convinced that I might be forgetting "Ich bin ein Kind", "Die Frau trinkt", etc. if I didn't come back and repeat them frequently. Once I hit Level 25 German I left my tree to decay: there's no learning benefit to endlessly repeating things you know perfectly well.

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March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ally.x
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Exactly. I agree with you, once you reach 30,000 XP in a language you can have fun elsewhere and don't have to repeat the same Duolingo material since learning at that point is minimal. I've done it with my German tree just like you and probably will do the same with French when I reach level 25.

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ofred19

Yeah, I'm the same way. I'm reading German and French academic texts every day for research projects, so there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for me to keep up with the tree anymore in those languages. I pretty much just do the new stories when they pop up, because they're rather fun.

The crown system still hasn't kicked in for me yet, but I'll probably devote a little bit of time each day to maxing out the trees, if only for completeness' sake, but I'm struggling to understand why users - particularly users with high level - insist on plugging away at low-level skills when it's too boring and easy for them. Surely the goal is to learn the language and not to gild the tree, right?

On the old tree I'm haven't touched French in several months, and the tree is still about 90% gilded for me (I was doing 100xp of timed practice per day before I stopped)

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rejnald

I think it is a matter of vanity (nothing bad implied). Keeping the tree shining gives pleasure because it is a proof of one's knowledge.

April 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DonMartin1

Thank you. Your comment is helping me turn my attention from keeping the whole tree gold to focusing on those skills where I need to improve (e.g. Abstract Objects 3, 4).

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlSkr

How fluent are you (B1-B2?) after completing the tree?

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pont

It's hard to say how far the DL tree alone took me because I was combining it with various other resources (AnkiDroid, podcasts, Michel Thomas, speaking to natives, etc.). It definitely formed an excellent backbone for my other studies, but if I'd stuck strictly to Duolingo I would guesstimate I could have reached maybe B1 at most. I'm not sure if that's still possible, though: I started DL German in 2012. At that time you were only allowed three mistakes in a lesson before you had to restart, and there was a much better balance between English-German and German-English translation. It was significantly harder but far more effective.

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlSkr

I ask because I had German in school for 7 years, but I hadn't been paying attention to basics, so after year of self-study, my Spanish is around the same level as german (in speaking and writing). I am still probably better in reading and listening, because I used to watch documents in German. I have really big problem to make a sentence in German, because it is hard to remember the genders, conjugation (der dem den etc.) I hope I will be able to use Duolingo to build up my basics and to get to that B1/B2 level in all aspects of language :)

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EhsanVessal

Out of curiosity how do you determine which level (A1-C2) you are at? Are there tests you can take online to determine your level of fluency?

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DonMartin1

Deutsche Welle has language learning web pages including simple tests to give you an idea of what level you are at.
http://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ofred19

Replying to your comment above: Duolingo puts a limit on how deep a comment chain can go (6 comments) so as to prevent a line of discussion from getting nested into eternity like what happens on occasion on reddit.

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EhsanVessal

Thanks DonMartin1. For some reason I can't directly reply to your post, but thanks for that resource!

March 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hermesianax

Just don't do them? Getting all skills to level 5 is not quite the same as regilding in the old system. Regilding the entire tree from top to bottom was logical, as the basic skills were strengthened by words you encountered in the more advanced skills too, but in the new system, that's no longer the intention, in my view. Why not simply focus on getting say, all skills on the bottom half of the tree to lvl 5 instead of worrying about the basic skills which, as you have said, do not add that much new to your understanding of German?

March 28, 2018

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    What if a basic skill that was at level 2 (from gold in the previous system) goes to level 0 the next time you login? And what if other skills become completely greyed out? When my French tree, completed and fully golden, was moved to the crown system, I had all the skills at least at level 2. But it looks like there are bugs (or expected behaviour) that make skills decay. It happened to me this morning. Why should I repeat multiple times "les garçons" to reach again at least Level 1 on a skill that used to be gold (Plurals in the French tree) only to be allowed to exercise a more advanced skill?! I had completed the tree and kept it golden for 6 months. I should have all the skills unlocked, IMHO. So long and thanks for all the fish...

    March 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

    This is the French tree update: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26741964

    March 29, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hermesianax

    That sounds like a bug, right? I haven't received the update yet, but it was my understanding that all completed skills would become at least lvl 1 in the crown system, and higher depending on the previous strength. And are you're saying that your skills decay in the new crown system? I have heard from multiple sources that the skill levels are supposed to be fixed. Could you clarify on this?

    March 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/john503633

    I hope this is fixed soon. It's pretty annoying to have to go through basics like the der/die/das 9 times

    March 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HalJam
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    March 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DonMartin1

    THANK YOU und VIELEN DANK to all who replied.

    March 28, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stephen949680

    I’m becoming quite frustrated with the constant simple repetition of very basic concepts. I’m way beyond that but I am forced to repeat the same simple sentences ad nauseum. Ex. “Die Sonne ist rund” or ”Ich lebe” within the same exercise both in English and then in German many times. Is there someway to take a placement test? To advance to a higher level?

    June 26, 2019
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