La ~ You sir/ma'am (from the polite Lei)
preghiamo = we beg/request/ask
di mettere = to put (on)
la giacca = the jacket ~ your jacket
* When the ownership is obvious the possessive "your" is dropped.
~ We request that You put on the jacket.
~ Please put on Your jacket. (may be completed with a slight bow)
The English sentence is indicative, why doesn't it have the subject? In English grammar, if I'm not mistaken, it is only the imperative has no subject.
Please, you put on your jacket.
● FORMALE YOU = LEI
It is a form of courtesy that uses a direct and an indirect pronoun.
• Direct Pronoun > MI / TI / LO / LA / CI / VI / (MASCHILE) LI / (FEMMINILE) LE.
• Indirect Pronoun > MI (a me) / TI (a te) / GLI (a lui) / LE (a lei) / CI (a noi) / VI (a voi) / GLI (a loro) / LORO (a loro).
• The formal way is used with people we do not know, with whom there is no friendship: in this case we use " LEI" and the Verbe" in the "third person singular".
_ Signor Totti, cosa fa (Lei) di lavoro?/ Mr. Totti, what do you do at work?
_ Signor Totti ( LEI) quando parte?/ Mr. Totti when do "you" leave?
_ Signora Totti, (LEI) venga con noi./ Mrs. Totti, you come with us.
☆ If we have to use a "direct, indirect or reflexive pronoun", in the case of a formal conversation we will use, La / Le / Si.
☆ Direct Pronoun:
Signor Totti, La saluto./ La prego. / La preghiamo.
☆ Indirect Pronoun:
Signor Totti, Le telefono più tardi./ Le mando per posta il pacco./ Le chiedo per ultima volta.
_ La prego = vi chiedo gentilmente/ per favore = I ask you kindly / please.
_ La preghiamo = vi chiediamo gentilmente/ per favore. = we kindly ask you / please.
Attention: in the form of courtesy "LEI" is used for both men and women. Only in compound tenses accords with "Subject"
_ "Signora La prego" vada via.
_ "Signore La prego" vada via.
_ "Signora è stata" molto gentile.
_ "Signore è stato" molto gentile
I am italian :P i think that many sentences on DL are heavily influenced by context, in this sentence there is no way you could know who is the owner. There is no such "italian rule" about obvious ownership, as if i am not wrong the same goes for English. If i ask you to wear the jacket nothing is telling who is the owner of the jacket, it could be mine, Your, her/his etc. Ciao =)
Penso che ci sia un semplice fraintendimento, il punto della questione è che DL dovrebbe accettare sia la versione dove si esplicita la possessione della giacca che quella in cui non lo si fa. In questa frase io ho risposto senza specificare chi fosse il proprietario ed è stata segnalata come risposta errata, ti assicuro che entrambe le risposte sono valide perché appunto dipende esclusivamente dal contesto. Una frase del genere in molti contesti lascerebbe anche a me pensare che la persona a cui si parla sia il proprietario della giacca, tuttavia tecnicamente non è specificato e quindi nel dubbio uno potrebbe sentirsi rispondere "quale giacca?". Ripeto, penso che il concetto logico valga tanto per l italiano che per l inglese, se un inglese si sentisse dire questa frase potrebbe tranquillamente rispondere chiedendo chiarimenti su quale sia/di chi sia la giacca in questione. Ciao =)
It DOES NOT have to be YOUR jacket.
It is cold--> We offer you one of our jackets-->you are kindly refusing--> so we insist and say: "La preghiamo di mettere la giacca."
The context of the sentence DOES NOT imply that it is YOUR jacket so the DL translation is WRONG. Unless it is a guessing game. Period.
No, "la giaca" does not has to mean "your jacket", - but there is nothing to suggest it is someone else's jacket either.
As the possessive part is left out only when it the ownership is considered obvious I think most Italians would assume the jacket belongs to the person who is asked to put it on.
I would expect a sign to say, "Please WEAR a jacket"
They might have some extra jackets at the door for people who didn't wear one: "Please put on a jacket."
But it's weird to assume people coming to a formal restaurant jacketless will have one of their own they're carrying that they need to be told to put on. Maybe it's something that happens in warmer climates?
Good question. Is "la" here "she" or "you"? And if we're begging someone to do something, that's not exactly the imperative tense, is it? (Which is what this lesson is supposed to be about?) The first person plural imperative form is usually translated into English as "Let's..." - which wouldn't work in this case.
This form in Italian is not imperative, but the one in English is imperative.
Actually, this sentence could be translated "we beg her" instead than "we beg you", but I think the second person form is the best one, since "La preghiamo" is an expression we use when we directly make a request to someone.
i can't entirely agree with you here… you could use 'THE jacket' depending on the context in which it is being said- for example, take a case where someone is pointing to a very specific jacket and asking another to wear precisely the one being pointed to. As for the 'YOUR'… see LatecomerLaurie's remark. This sort of situation has come up in a number of previous cases… another similar one which comes to mind is "il mio portafoglio e' nella tasca"… it is highly unlikely that your wallet is in someone else's pocket other than your own….
I don't get this formal thing at all, how can the 3rd person mean 2nd person, makes no sense to me. The whole idea of being formal smacks of smugness and elitism, I've been to Italy 7 times and never used or heard formal tense once. Surely it's outdated in modern society where we are all equal, supposedly.
It's definitely starting to fall out of use, especially among certain age groups and in settings where it supposedly used to be the standard, but I can assure you they use it frequently enough to make it worth learning it. It's rare that I go to a doctors office, trattoria, or even just around the neighborhood that i don't hear Lei and formal conjugations. If you ever want to interact with people at a store, ask someone (especially an older person) a question, or even just want to know if someone speaks English, you are expected to use formality. Mastering the formal is essential in moving on from being perceived as a tourist who knows a bit of Italian to someone who is treated like a serious Italian speaker. But trust me this lesson is difficult for me as well, and i hope to one day understand if the waiter is asking me what I want to drink or what my friend who went to the bathroom wants! Anyways, best of luck!
Formal addressind is unavoidable part of many languages, including italian, so it is very hard for a person whose mother thongue is english to fathom this completely. In croatian, formal is 2nd plural, in german it is 3rd plural, in italian it is 3rd singular etc. If you don't use it with strangers, superiors and elderly people, someone could easily get offended.
Obviously, Duolinguo thinks that formal speech exists in Italian but not in English ! You'd never say "please put on your jacket" to the Queen ! "Would you please put on your jacket" (in the event that the chambermaid is not there to do the job !) or "We beg you put on your jacket"etc...