https://www.duolingo.com/drwendy58

Back to Square One!

I appreciate improvements in Duo Lingo Welsh, but must we all go back to Square One and start over when a new, improved version is released. I worked so hard to get close to the advanced level and now it looks like I have done nothing!! :(

April 6, 2018

12 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

The content of the Welsh course has not been changed at all in connection with the new progress monitoring scheme. You have not lost your progress to date, either - it is just being represented in a different way.

The introduction of the new crowns is nothing to do with the individual language teams, so we cannot really help. The best place to look for explanations and help will be in the general, non-language specific Duo discussion boards.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CivisRomanus

I totally subcribe to your complaint.
It took me sixteen months to finish half of the first Welsh tree. Then shortly before last Christmas I was given a new tree and I had to take again over 50 units I had already passed.
I had just finished taking them a few days ago... and now I have to take them all over again, for the third time!
That's not fair, nor very encouraging either!
Moreover, I read other people's grumbles about the fact that with the new 'crown' scheme it is no longer possible to repeat single exercises in a unit: they have to be taken all, but only once.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CivisRomanus

I have just tried out the new 'crown' scheme.
In order to make the first two units turn gold (level 5!), it took me one full hour, during which I had to repeat some 100+ times the same five or six basic greetings!
I can't believe Duolingo implemented such a stupid scheme, without even offering us the opportunity to choose between the old one and this completely foolish thing.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

You don't have to go to level 5 on all units.

I believe part of the reason behind the crowns was to give a choice whether to practice certain units in depth or go through more material.

So if you feel that you've got the greetings down pat and you're "only" at crown level 2, then that might be more than enough for you.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MartynFair1

I'm about 40% of the way through the skills and they all went from gold to (mostly) level three with the new system. I've been trying to review and consolidate my learning regularly rather than speed through the course and the new system seems to help me with this.

I'm going to spend the next few days balancing everything out to level three before I move on with further skills. I think seeing which skills I've worked less on is going to help me - and it's good to have some new forms and sentences to play with.

I don't think I'll be trying to get any except the earlier skills up to level five before I reach the end of the course. Then it will be good to have a final consolidation stage while reviewing the learning.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CivisRomanus

Thank you, Mizinamo!
I'm relieved to learn that Duolingo will no longer prompt me to repeat early units, sooner or later (as far as now I had kept all my units gold, doing a lot of practice).
Nevertheless, I still completely dislike the type of exercise where I have to click on words, because I'm no longer practicing the spelling, and because in translating I can no longer choose between NW and SW terms.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Tom676857

On the desktop version at least, you can choose to use th keyboard instead of the word bank. I share your frustration with word bank exercises as a rule, although it does make it a lot easier on the phone app.

I also suspect that at higher crown levels, the word bank exercises will start to disappear.

April 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

In the tapping exercises, I see a little keyboard icon at the bottom.

I've never tried it out myself because I'm lazy, but doesn't choosing that let you go back to the old "have to type in everything yourself and use your own memory to make sure the spelling is right -- and let you decide which words to use" mode?

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

Here is the main explanation and discussion of Crowns - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26739837

April 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Tom676857

Honestly, I think it's been beneficial to me.

I finished the first Welsh tree within a couple of months and spent a bit of time practising, trying to keep everything gold. Just when I was starting to get bored, the new tree was released and I had to re-do half the course.

That kept me busy for another couple of months. Got everything finished and back up to gold again, motivation started to flag... then a few weeks later crown levels came in.

After I've finished the course my enthusiasm starts to wane, and I find myself doing the bare minimum to keep my streak going/everything at gold. New challenges keep me invested and give me an incentive to practise longer every day.

I get that it is a little disheartening to see progress apparently wiped out but at the end of the day I'm here to learn languages and not to admire my pretty tree - and it's only been erased from your tree, not your brain. I think I've been lucky in that these things have only come in after I've finished the tree each time.

In fact I'm kind of hoping that there's another new development around the time that I finish maxing out crown levels - though that'll be a long way off yet.

April 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/drwendy58

I see that I have my old progress maintained to level 3. And I appreciate that I can go back and practice up to level 5. I did do the earliest lessons to level 5 just to see how it works. And it did take more than an hour to reach level 5, and much of it was just repetition of the same few words and phrases. So I think the higher levels (4 & 5) would be good spaced practice. And I have gone back to repeat lessons many, many times. So this may be an improvement in that sense.

But I do have another question. How many crowns does it take to open a new level? Does anyone know?

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/rmcode
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You still get xp points which count towards the level you are in the course, your profile shows how many xp points you need.

To open up the next row in a course I think you need to be level 1 with all units on the previous row.

April 8, 2018
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