https://www.duolingo.com/newtdot

EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING CROWN UPDATE

I was a day away from an all-golden tree... This is completely demoralizing.

10 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/dohertys84

Can someone explain the new format? I was also trying to get all of the exercises gold and now it appears that I have to redo them all? It makes no sense to me.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tammythree

I miss my golden tree but expected it with the update. Actually I am surprised the owl is still there. I’ll probably use it less now. I have so many other sources.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BradR11
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Even though I am a fan of the update, I sympathize with the ones in your situation.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ExSquaredOver2
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Same with me

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mike413694

Yo también estaría enojado ! Pero sigue intentándolo ....

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marilena810431
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Very very frustrating crown update

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/J.C.Fink
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I wish I could work around the crown system in Russian. No problem with the German. Spanish and French I can manage with some effort. But Russian I am really struggling with. Doing a Russian exercise once is not enough for me. I need to repeat it, not go on to number 2 right away. I may need to repeat it several times before being ready to go on. And tomorrow I want to go back to review what I did the day before, before adding anything new, till I feel at least a little secure. Right now the only thing I can think of for the Russian is to get very near the end of an exercise, then quit instead of finishing the last one, so I can repeat before going on. Is there an easier way to repeat and review? I don't want to just have to drop Russian altogether. And the idea of being at level 2 because I finished an exercise? A higher level I do NOT need now. Later, yes, but I think the new system is going to have this beginner in hopelessly over her head.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/skyflakes95
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You brought up a very good point. Now that the skills are no longer broken into lessons, it's not possible to go back within the same skill for review until completing the entire skill up to the highest level. One thing you can do is click on the button that says "review lesson," which appears on the lower left corner of the screen when you've just finished the lesson (on the same screen that says "Lesson complete! +10 XP"). A box pops up showing all the questions you got, and the answers appear when you click on them. You can take screenshots of those or take a moment to write them down in a notebook so you can review them later. Otherwise I'd just do what you said and quit before the last question.

I really admire your dedication to learning thoroughly, and I hope Duolingo changes something to address this issue.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/qbeast
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Thank you for the suggestion about the screenshots. I tried it, and it worked. The problem is that after doing this for several lessons, I realized it is easier to simply work out of a college language book. I get the names of course books off university websites.. New textbooks are very expensive, but if you go back a couple of editions, you can get wonderful copies for under $10 on Amazon or abebooks.com. Up to now, I've finished Duolingo trees before buying books. With Crowns, work on the trees has become so inefficient that it's easier to work directly with the book from the get-go, something I just did after I dropped the Duolingo Portuguese course. I can get pronunciation off Google Translate or other places on the Net. Some books, like the Russian Golosa series and Routledge Colloquial Swedish, even have complete video or audio course materials available for free online. I'll still use Duolingo for mental exercise with languages I already know-- right now, I'm doing German via Italian-- but as for using Duolingo for new languages, I'm done. The lack of lesson structure in the new system was the killer.

It's a shame: Duolingo could have left the traditional lessons intact to earn Level 1 Crowns and then used the upper levels of Crowns for enrichment, but that would have made too much sense. Anyway, it's a good thing that this all broke before I got my tax refund, as I was planning to use some of the money to upgrade to Plus. No way that's happening now.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gez70
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this is a crazy alteration. There must be a better way to improve things rather than make you start again wasting time doing simple lessons. It makes no sense to me especially when the crowns are not indicative of the latest lessions which have been finished and continually redone.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hikndog

really dislike the new format

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duomashy
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Well, I personally don't care about a golden tree, a streak, or a fluency percentage. What, I think, the average user and especially I personally care about, is learning the language (in my case Spanish). So we need to ask:

What helps us to effectively learn the language and what motivates us to keep on learning?

Again, from my personal perspective, I found a spaced repetition system with decaying skills to be helpful. And I found advancing on a regular basis, mastering adequately challenging tasks to be motivating.

Hence, when I heard about the crown system and more challenging tasks, I was originally very enthusiastic about it. Because I was imagining and hoping for something like this: An advanced algorithm would regularly estimate the individual learners skill and hence show them individually relevant content and spare us the dull parts.

Now (after using the actual crown system for just 36 hours - so it might be a half-cooked assessment), I feel like it's more like the contrary: It's less helpful and less motivating to repeat dull stuff over and over in the hope of getting to the more challenging stuff. :(

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/VaMark99

Does anybody know any alternative websites, where I could learn Spanish for free? I've loved Duolingo, but this new crown system is terrible...

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E.A.R.A.M.R.

Thanks for this!!! I am giving Duolingo another couple days because I used to love it so much and recommended it to all my friends, but pretty sure I am going to have to switch to a new site if I want to continue learning... : (

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/plesio_saurus

That sucks, dude :(

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dickmattock

It should have been left alone. Confused and frustrated.

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jbrmit
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It's not quite the same, but you can still see which skills would be gold under the old system... https://www.duolingo.eu/username/progress. Yours would be https://www.duolingo.eu/newtdot/progress

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nate.luev

I personally love the update because it make each topic feel exactly as that, rather than making me feel like I have no need to go back to the top ones because they're "the easy ones." Nevertheless, I was already at about 60% finished so I am a bit irked too, but it's worth it! Haha!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vitu-
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I liked the update. ^_^

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mcdunc
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At first I was disappointed in the new format... especially when I did a few topics in the top half of the tree as a review. I was forced to do the same simple exercises over and over to make progress. Extremely boring!! But what I forgot is that I have mastered those skills and really don't need to repeat them. It's not about the Golden Tree vs the Crown system. It's about becoming more proficient in the language. And yes yes yes!!! the exercises in the bottom half of the tree, like "past tense" provide me with tons of opportunities to improve my skills. I have been really disappointed in the level of difficulty in most of Duolingo for a while now, and was merely doing it to keep a streak going... lol (almost a waste of time). However, now I am extremely motivated to do more because Duolingo has made more advanced exercises available... WOW.. it's fantastic!!! Thank you!!

10 months ago
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