https://www.duolingo.com/wendofish

I am CONSTANTLY a beginner. Have repeated basics courses 20 times this year. BORING!

Please fix your code for when users lose credit for having completed a level. Yes, over time skills do need reviewing, but if I haven't used DuoLingo in a month, it doesn't mean that I have forgotten 70% of what I have learned.

And once someone has done the same level a certain number of times, you need to never make them repeat it. Testing out takes the same amount of time as doing 1-2 lessons, so that option does not help.

Imagine that you had to learn "I am a boy" 20 times, when your real skill level was, "I like eggs, but she likes pork." It causes me to want to quit DuoLingo, instead of the excitement I feel when I learn new things. It's like being stuck in preschool - have you had to repeat preschool, even though it was years ago? Hopefully not.

Even with the new crowns, it just adds more beginner stuff ("a girl") that I have to redo.

Please, make better/faster test out options, and do NOT make me redo levels that I have completed perfectly multiple times.

April 7, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

I am seeing tons of complaints like this in the forums, and I genuinely don't get it: why are you repeating content that you already know? Why do folks think they have to redo that older stuff? Under the crowns system you don't need to strive for a gold color. Crown 5 is tons of work. Just go through at your own pace. It's much more flexible now.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Agonisti

Having used DL to study five languages, the only way I will be able to get anything out of it now is to ignore the top/easy half of the courses the best I can.

Starting up DL, I see a defeating sight of THOUSANDS of exercises I'm supposed to do, and debate between trying to bother with the higher level ones or uninstalling DL and seeking out new ways to learn languages. I think TV shows, movies, songs, books etc. would probably give a better understanding of how the language is actually used, and the idea of enjoying entertainment while learning sounds a lot more appealing than working through a neverending amount of exercises damn-near from the scratch in a mind.numbingly tedious and repetitive manner.

I am not sure why DL would want to incentivize their users to ignore vast portions of their language courses.

(This on top of eg. with the new design I have no idea how well I I have mastered a subject, or whether I still retain the lessons from earlier (as the degradation/ungilding system attempted to portray), or what I should ideally practise, etc., or the way they updated the French course recently, and then implemented the crowns, meaning even though I finished the French course over a year ago, there are a lot of units that are rated at level zero for me, meaning I literally have to start from nothing on those units, leading to even more tedious and boring repetition.)

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jeuri14

Thank you. At first I thought Duolingo was forcing people to do the Basics 20, 30, 40 times before allowing them to move on. Now that I finally have access to the Crown Version and see that it's optional I'm as confused as you are as to why people are doing the basics over and over again. I've seen people say that they are quitting Duo now and it boggles my mind. I feel like a huge portion of Duo users are more interested in having a golden tree than they are in learning a language.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Flim_
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"Crown 5 is tons of work."

What is even the point of level 4/5?

I went way back to the first skill in the Russian (for English) tree to try out these crowns. I was at level 3 by default. It required 15 exercises to get to level 4, which I did.

I then tried the first 3 exercises of level 4.

They're exactly the same.

There is literally no new vocabulary or grammar, no new lessons, no new sentences. It's no harder, it's identical. It's just recycled from the first 15 lessons, except now it will take an extra 25 repetitions of the same to reach level 5.

New learners are going to see that 25-exercise requirement think "*#! that" and move on. Old learners are never going to go back because there's no new content to be unlocked.

And since skill decay is no longer a thing, they have no incentive to ever go back and practice those skills again.

So I fail to understand how discouraging people from ever practicing older skills is a good thing. This seems to be the antithesis of Duolingo's advice so far, which is that regular, spaced repetition is the key to learning.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Zenvoid

I did the same went back to a basic level exercise to see what it takes to get to level 5, having done that, I can't see myself doing it for many, if any, skills. I guess I just have to get used to not have a good visual indication of what I have not practised for a while, which kind of sucks.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ding1dong123

You shouldn't have to repeat it, just do all 4 lessons and move on.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Agonisti

I don't know why DL wants its userbase to ignore vast amounts of their language courses, or why this would be considered a smart idea by the users themselves. Why use a method which encourages to ignore large parts if not the majority of it, and not use better designed, more efficient methods instead?

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/GeneralGinne

You totally read my mind about this new system (have a couple of lingots on me)! I got so used to seeing the gold trees as progress that seeing them disappear is completely frustrating and demotivating. But since they probably aren't going back to the old system, I know I just need to retrain my brain to not rely on any Duolingo benchmarks and go with my ability to actually use and retain the language I'm learning.

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Oh my friend, I hear your pain.

I highly recommend reading https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26739837 about Crowns FAQ , to understand better the ins and outs of the new Crown system.

Also https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26726755 about The new French tree is here! (under A/B test) .

Remember the path to how you choose to control your own language learning is in your hands. It is not about making trees golden, or even getting to the end of a tree. It is the path you may wish to choose to follow to advance your own language learning.

Bells and whistles such as "golden trees" and even streaks, are just motivators to encourage you. They can be indicators also of your progress. However the real game, is not these bells and whistles, but your own real progress for your own language learning.

I am so thrilled to hear you are motivated by state of the art and continually developing quality language learning resources that Duolingo develops.

Wishing you the best always with the real goal and benefit of learning a language, rather than merely playing of a game ( though it is really game like the way Duolingo acheives this goal, and also one of the reasons I like it. )

April 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/FrenchByte

Do the next lessons, they can stop the earlier ones from decaying. Also, the Crown System now does not decay. Do you have it?

April 9, 2018
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