https://www.duolingo.com/theShmuli

Will the Chinese course be changing for the new Crown system?

Is there a plan to add 5 levels of material to each lesson? At the moment, the first lesson is 5 crowns worth of nihao and zaijian. Is that only the first lesson?

April 8, 2018

27 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/BenceHenk

hello, my lesson plans also changed and to be honest i dont like it at all because i cant practice and access to the lessons i used to... is there any way to change back to the old system?

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/theShmuli

this 'update' is a serious case of the emperor having no clothes.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Semeltin

Just think of it as being the same as before. You can practice all the lessons, but at the same time you are getting a little bit more advanced content.
Unfortunately, some functionality has been lost for now, so it's not perfect. But if you want it to be added back in, you may want to check out my post: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26860873

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/theShmuli

It's nothing like before. I have no idea what to practise in what order. I am also not getting more advanced content just because the first lesson now requires you to redo nihao = hello for 5 times in a row.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jason137255

I've been going back and leveling up; I kind of want to get to a 3 on each of the skills before moving on (may be a while...) still, I think that the repetition will help strengthen some weak spots.

I hope, in the meantime our content creators will add more stuff.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

I only occasionally check in on Chinese to report problems so they can improve it, since I'm already fluent in the language. But I'm loving crowns in the other languages I'm studying.

The system I have worked out for myself is based on their "test out" divisions in the skill tree. I get to one milestone, then go back and up the previous milestones a level. So my tree would look like this: up to milestone one is all level 5, up to milestone 2 are level 4, up to milestone 3 are level 3, up to milestone 4 are level two, I just completed milestone 5 and I'm working on the last part. This has been a great way for me to continually up all my skills, while building a progressively stronger foundation for learning new material. And it also gives me a break so I can go back and spend some time doing the easy stuff and just relax when my head starts to hurt from doing the new stuff.

I'm absolutely with you, though, that I really hope this means eventually the final skills at level five will have some truly challenging problems unlike any others in the tree!

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jason137255

I actually think that this will be, in the long term, good for Chinese learners. Every language benefits from repetition but Chinese learners will benefit the most. The writing system can only be learned by memorization. That said I really hope that they add more variety to these earlier lessons. Doing 20 something lessons of hello and goodbye drove me crazy, but I have that memorized.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/theShmuli

I wouldn't recommend using this course for learning the characters. If you use the mem feature in memrise, you can use visual cues to learn the characters instead of rote learning.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

I find myself going through all the lessons, instead of skipping straight to the proficiency level, just to find out what's new . . . So far I kind of like it better . . .. And there are good news: I sometimes get a nice email now, telling me my suggested corrections were accepted . . . So maybe things are moving again nicely? Wouldn't that be great!!!!

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/DestartreK1st

Yes.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Procellis

As I have understood it, there is no use leveling up the first few skills. Later on there will be sentences with different levels of complexity, but in the beginning there just isn't anything to build complex sentences with. I just got crowned but I have chosen a section at the middle of the tree to try out what leveling up actually means. (As far down through the tree as possible, but not down where the content still smells like a Beta test.)

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Santiago33318

Honestly I didn't know about this new function, I almost had a heart attack thinking I lost all my experience duo to a glitch.

Well, time to check this new crown system

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

Hahahahaha, you should have seen what happened when they updated the French tree. When I got picked for the AB test for the new French tree, it literally did bomb my experience and lose the golden owl, because I hadn't completed the new lessons available, and it went from mostly gold to completely needing completion. Won't lie. I was a little sad to see it go, but it was fun to see some of the new exercises.

Still, that actually is an advantage to the Crown System. When they update things, they can add new material to the top levels of skills without having to overhaul the entire tree.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Teeje1

Various French skills have actually had new material added to them over the years without making any changes to the tree. Of course that would've been awkward to do with the major overhaul they just did, but past skills updates did not require a crown system.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

Oh I know that. I just mean that when I switched to the crown system after about a week of working on the new French tree, my past experience was used in new ways, so a lot of skills were at "level three" even though there was new material for me to learn, rather than simply having a skill degrade. I thought this worked really nicely, since it wasn't like I was "losing progress."

Ultimately, I love the new tree, and the fact that despite being so established that French continues to improve. I hope that the Chinese module follows the same path. And I think the crown system makes that easier.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

Maybe that's why things are getting corrected now: they are not hierarchized like a long, long string of data . . . Very interesting: for this reason alone, I'm all for the new Crown system, then. Cheers to the new stuff! And sorry for your Gold Owl, but maybe you'll reach a new "Platinum Owl" if there is one? Happy learning!

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

Gold owls come and gold owls go. It would be a shame to cage them, wouldn't it?

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

哈哈哈哈!!!

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

Wow, you're at Level 17 in French? Chapeau! I'm French, born and raised, and my "French Level" was deemed to be only 57% fluency . . . LOL :-P ! I fare better in Chinese, which I am learning from scratch! I read all the French stories, though . . . The former Chinese format was so irritating to me because the inaccuracies took soo long to correct, if corrections came at all . . . . I let it go for a while, maybe you've given me the idea I should look it up again . . .

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

Though I would encourage you to check back in on Chinese. It is much better now, and they've been adding answers at an amazing pace.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

I'm delighted! Things are looking better, better organized, more repetitions (so yes, one seems to have "slowed down" a bit, but it's all subjective anyway), more relevancy to each subject, too, because each subject and its grammar are more focused. This is promising! I almost abandoned Duolingo Chinese, and I'm glad I didn't. But you really hit the core of Duolingo's system in your remark above: I am an HSK3 in Chinese, which basically means I know too much about too little, that frustrating Chinese language level where I sort-of know and I sort-of forget a lot all the time. There is a new system of points too, now: I am Chinese Crown Level 37? Not sure what it means . . .

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

No, Crown Level 92. Still not sure what this is . . . So if I go back and walk all the levels again, I am adding Crowns?

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/theShmuli

I'm wondering how that will change now that they have to add all the new crowns of content, which I assume will also all be at beta level to begin with.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/OstenCramer

That's actually a really interesting issue with duolingo. It almost works best the less you know about a language to begin with. The fluency percentages are basically universally acknowledged to be unreliable, but in general, there is a very unique challenge to molding a native, fluent or organic understanding of the language and all its possibilities to the course. The more I know about a language, the harder it is for me to think of that one right answer for the problems. In essence, you are learning not just the language, but also learning Duolingo's expectations and habits at the same time.

It's kind of cool, though, because the sort of quirky specifics of Duolingo's courses are a synthetic product of the language, the perspective of the course creators, and the response of the students studying it. It is, in effect, like a community dialect of its own is emerging.

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

You're so right! When I try and go through one of the thresholds to accelerate a series of levels in French, they trip me. Why, because I know nuances that may not be relevant to the level being studied. I have to use the Community Road, not the Autobahn. It's sort-of akin to adding a meta-language to the language, synthetic silk woven into the cocoon silk, for support?? Aaargh! Duolingo literally demands that I accept a "group mind-set" and not sweat the small stuff . . . . Does that raise flags regarding future human ontology? Did I just say that? Watching those Senate hearings re Facebook issues does not help... I am also using Pandanese right now, to etch those Radicals into my brain for good...

April 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CvonD1

Question for the Moderator: what does the Crown level mean?

April 11, 2018
Learn Chinese in just 5 minutes a day. For free.