https://www.duolingo.com/profile/beaumarley

Solution to the Crown system

Okay, so like many people I don't like the new system for many reasons. But instead of listing them I am going to provide solutions and hopefully someone at Duolingo will see this.

Firstly there needs to be a test up/out option for the first like 10 skills because if you've been learning a language for over 1 year you know how to say 'the boy eats bread'. Having to type the same sentence in different variations that aren't even more difficult over and over is torturous. Also the amount of XP that it takes to get to level 5 of BASIC skills is beyond me.

The layout needs an overhaul. I know what Duolingo is trying to achieve and it isn't a bad idea. But the execution of this idea is horrendous. Firstly get rid of 'crowns', just say level, like what does the crown achieve? And telling me the number of crowns I have with no value is stupid. Okay so I have 130 crowns, what does that mean? 130 out of what? Do I get a kingdom once I get all the crowns? What do they do?

Secondly, the levels need a medal/colour. Level 1 no medal/coloured, Level 2 bronze, Level 3 silver, Level 4 gold, Level 5 diamond. This will get rid of so many issues. Currently people are freaking out because their whole tree is coloured and that is the opposite of what they want. So they're going through their whole tree to make it gold again which is making them hopeless. People need some type of satisfaction once they reach another level! And it needs to be VISIBLE! The crowns aren't enough. And the amount of work it takes to get to gold, which is what people want, is insane. There needs to be an end goal that is more significant than gold since once you finish a level you keep it forever and there is no degradation. That is why diamond should be the end goal for all skills.

Thirdly, there needs to be a use for lingots. I'm just chucking this in because I have hundreds of the things and they have practically no use.

April 8, 2018

16 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EPOSantos

I HATE the insane repetition. Just it, that's all I wanted to say.

April 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trisha1961

Yes please bring the Test Out option back! I I am repeating really easy exercises such as the boy eats the apples etc.. rather than the more complex (for me) sentence construction and verbs I have been using. I can't make head or tail of it - why would I want to go back to very basic sentences when I am really keen to advance my spanish. I want to challenge my Spanish levels every day in a different way. I agree with what you have written - totally!

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shichi-astre

i actually like the colour of gold on my tree because i associate gold with hard work = money = gold so like when they changed it i wanted to make everything gold again but 5 levels.... takes a lot of time and the repetitive sucks a lot. they should really add more sentences rather than making you type "the man eats bread" every single level.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheAmyLynch

‪What I will say is, after the first checkpoint I do find the repetition helpful to really drill everything into my brain and don’t mind aiming to get everything to level 5, as there is a lot of variation in the sentences. I just wish there was a quick test option for advanced learners, that we could take to prove we had mastered the basic levels. Yo soy una mujer and I will never forget that! Lol‬

I can see the benefits of the crown system, just not in the basic skills for an advanced learner and I know we could just ignore the fact that we only have 1 or 2 crowns in the first section, but clearly most of us don’t want to and it could easily be adjusted to cater to every standards of learner.

My 60 year old Mother, who has just started learning Spanish for the first time, majorly benifits from repeating the same 5 four word sentences over and over again at the basic level, if she had been given the previous tree I think it would have fell straight back out of her head and she would have been progressing too quickly. They just need to make some basic adjustments for us obsessive more advance learners lol

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheAmyLynch

I think on the Spanish course there is 61 topics, each topic has 5 levels, so you can earn 305 crowns in total on that particular topic.

However I had about 14 topics left and had everything golden, so for me to now only have 65 crowns out of a possible 305, has completely wiped away my sense of achievement. I really wanted to completely my course with a fully golden tree, now I am going to have to finish it with most topics being at level one and for some reason it doesn’t feel like much of an achievement.

Repeat the basics over and over just kills my Duolingo buzz. Surely they couldn’t have thought this through for advanced learners.

Even someone who is a complete learner must find this kind of repetitiveness overwhelmingly tedious.

If I had completed my tree and then it had changed to crowns, I feel I would have been less annoyed because I could have kept everything fresh in my mind, but I hate how messy it looks now. I would say 80% (if not more) of the Duolingo community is extremely unhappy with this update!

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eineSchlange

Not sure 80 % are unhappy. They've been testing the update out for a long time and analyzing people's activity with the update. They found that this update actually keeps people around longer and motivates them to do more.

As for the achievement... the true achievement of duolingo is getting closer and closer to learn a new language and improve. Having a gold tree looks nice, but it's not the important thing. With the different levels you don't only repeat the things you learn, but you also get harder sentences to practice with.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheAmyLynch

You might believe everything the developers tell you, but I don’t. I believe the hours of twitter complaints I have read from advance learners on twitter. I am sorry but I am now on level 4 of The first basics course and it has barely changed, I am just doing the same 4 sentences over and over! I am sure the levels are way more valuable as the you progress in the tree, but at a basic level it is unnecessary for people who have passed the 2nd check point.

I agree that achievement it’s improving in the language, but having a gold tree kept me motivated, if it had changed after I had completed my tree, I think I wouldn’t have minded so much as it would have given me a new goal in my language journey, but now I feel like I didn’t get to complete my first one and it has been extremely frustrating.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eineSchlange

"You might believe everything the developers tell you, but I don’t." WHY would they lie, if I may ask? I'm talking about the fact that this update has been used since 2017 by many users and THAT'S where they got their data from. They've analyzed for months how it has affected the users. If they would've found that the users didn't like it, WHY would they still go with the update and then – as you're implying – lie? Their goal is to keep as many people around here as possible, why would they go with an update that would put people off?

Well, there are MILLIONS of users on duolingo. We're bound to see different opinions and many will hate the update. And as always the ones that aren't satisfied are the ones that scream the highest, that's why you think that most people don't like it. Since Duolingo have been testing the update out for months and decided to go for it, I'm willing to bet that most people actually like it.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheAmyLynch

Simply because developers will always have to think of their ad revenue above funcuality, as the larger percentage of Duolingo users are using the app for free.

If they can prove their app takes longer to complete, has more opertunities for the Ad to be shown as there are more lessons and the advertiser will have their advert shown to their audience for a longer time it will help increase what they can charge.

‪What I will say is, after the first checkpoint I do find the repetition helpful to really drill everything into my brain and don’t mind aiming to get everything to level 5, as there is a lot of variation in the sentences. I just wish there was a quick test option for advanced learners, that we could take to prove we had mastered the basic levels. Yo soy una mujer and I will never forget that! Lol‬

I can see the benefits of the crown system, just not in the basic skills for an advanced learner and I know we could just ignore the fact that we only have 1 or 2 crowns in the first section, but clearly most of us don’t want to and it could easily be adjusted to cater to every standards of learner.

My 60 year old Mother, who has just started learning Spanish for the first time, majorly benifits from repeating the same 5 four word sentences over and over again at the basic level, if she had been given the previous tree I think it would have fell straight back out of her head and she would have been progressing too quickly. They just need to make some basic adjustments for us obsessive more advance learners lol

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IncredibleBulk

I think it may have to do with those who have been learning for some time versus those that are starting - for those that are new to the system, I could see the crowns system, levels, repetition being incredibly valuable. For someone like myself that had my skill tree maxed, it makes it incredibly hard to navigate. When the old skill turned gold - move to the next skill. Simple. Easy. Basic. With this - to gold out a skill and move to the next is far more involved, and simply navigating a completely open skill tree--literally choosing what to study--is a challenge.

October 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheAmyLynch

So I have just discovered a topic (Adjective 1) currently at level 2, where you have to do 18 lessons just to progress to level 3.....surely this is excessive!? I wonder how many I would have to do to progress to level 4 and 5! (Slap in the face emoji)

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Semeltin

Please also check out the solutions that I suggest in my thread: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/26860873

I will add a link to your solution thread to your mine.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LesleyBJ

I like the idea of colouring the tree according to the crown level. It would be much easier to see where you are up to. The colourful tree is fun to look at but it makes it very busy and difficult to interpret.

April 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Pip278032

I absolutely agree with the above comments: clarification of what the new symbols mean is vital.

April 24, 2018
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