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Crowns feedback

I've been using the crowns now with the Dutch course for several weeks on android. I miss a few things.

First, the lower levels (e.g. 1-3) are almost completely click the available words sort of exercises. In the old system many of the exercises involved first hearing and then typing (transcription) or translation from English to Dutch by typing. The problem with clicking the boxes is it's just too easy to get clues and doesn't really stretch the old memory cells. Also, it doesn't help at all with learning the spelling or with learning to parse spoken words.

There doesn't appear to be much in the way of dynamic adaption -- sure, if you get something wrong, the question comes back again, but if you get everything right there's a lot of slogging to get to new words/exercises.

I really did like the automatic hints of what to work on that came from keeping the earlier levels "golden".

Now the good part. At my age (57) the memorization part is the hardest and I need a lot of repetition to learn the vocabulary. I do find it helpful to go back to the earlier skills and just drill for a while. I do like the additional material that appears to have been added. I don't mind that the journey to "completion" appears longer.

In summary, I'd like to see:

1) More evidence that the exercises adapt to ones level 2) More automated hints about what to work on 3) Earlier "ear based" exercises and less box clicking in general 4) Less slogging to get to the challenging exercises -- especially for those of us who have been at this for while and are revisiting earlier skills

5 months ago

15 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/gbauhr
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I'm very disappointed by the recent changes which are supposed to let the learners "level up skills to tackle harder and harder exercises".

In my case, after having completed the Hebrew course and reached level 22 (plus a previous academic degree in Biblical Hebrew), I found myself gratified with having attained level 1-3 in all the different lessons, even in the most elementary ones. For example, in the first lesson, Letters 1, I'm supposed to complete 18, eighteen!, more exercises of the type אבא בא, 'Dad is coming', before reaching level 4! And I suppose I'll have to do the same tedious routine until I reach the maximum level 5.

Couldn't you imagine anything more boring than that?

I'm aware that repetition is an important element in language learning. But your new design of the course doesn't take into account the real level of the learner. Even if I still make some mistakes in the elementary exercises, it's usually out of boredom and distraction, not from ignorance.

I was quite happy before this recent revolutionary change, in spite of the lack of response (from the Duolingo technical team, not the moderators) when users report obvious errors in the exercises.

But now I am seriously considering leaving Duolingo and continuing my Hebrew studies elsewhere.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/guineveruca

I don't mind the overall changes - some are better than others - but I just practiced one French lesson all the way to level 5, just to see what that was like, and levels 3-5 had the exact same questions/phrases. My expectation was that once you level up, the material would get more complex. If it's just about repetition, I don't see the point of having crowns vs the gold seal that deteriorates over time without practice.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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As far as the word boxes are concerned, you don't have to use them. Underneath them you should see the word "keyboard." If you click on that, the word boxes disappear and you can type in your answers.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeoffreyBr949094

I don't think that's true on the android app; at least I haven't seen it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/who_cares_nvm

It's not. Only if you use Duolingo on your browers…but agreed. I dislike the clicking boxes thing on the android app… :(

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dutchesse722
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Well then, I guess I made the right decision by quitting using the Android app a while ago (for a different reason). I still use Duolingo on my phone, but I use the mobile site which looks very much like the Android app. It does have the keyboard option.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/apexaviour
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Indeed, go to the mobile site in your browser. Works perfectly, has notes and allows you to type the answers.... far superior.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/judyholzwart
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This may seem like a lot of work but, I write down my lessons and keep them in binders, for future reference.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoshBaxter4
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I have books for each of my languages where I fill in vocab and grammar as I come across them.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Brock710466

So far as I can see, doing an exercise by clicking on the "practice" button doesn't seem to register at all on the crowns system - it appears that if I want to play the crowns game, I need to select an exercise specifically. I've just worked through "basics 1" another 12 times to get a 4th crown, and I honestly don't think it was worth doing. I'd much rather just hit "practice" and get the variety of exercises that way, but it's a bit sad if that isn't going to register on the progress measures.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ann206316

Unless I can use the old system again, I will be stopping using Duolingo. The old system suited me much better.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SimonMarty

I think the new system needs a little tweaking,

For example on some topics i'm level 2 - and to get level 3 I need to do 3 rounds of lessons. Nice that is doable in a short session and I feel motivated to do that.. However I have other topics which I'm level 2 which may require 12 lessons.. Assuming each time it takes roughly 4/5 mins I'm going to be grinding for around an hour for a level in this topic.. my motivation of this lesson is lost. As a result I as a user feel unguided.. I'm not sure where my time is best spent. I think the charm of the old design was it allowed users to clearly see what they should be good at and what they aren't. Now its very open.. which has some benefits but is also slightly daunting. I think it would be handy if Duo added some features to help those who don't have clear goals in their mind.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jasderro
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I don't like that to repeat some particular spot in language you have to do exercise BUT on each level are exactly the same words and sentences, I want to practise this spot wholly with mingled words and phrases.
Moreover, I don't actually know how long ago I practised some particular spots, and I liked this system when DL suggested you to repeat exercises that you didn't attended in a while.
BTW, when you achieve level 5 in the exercise can you repeat it freely in the old-fashioned way? Cause I really hope you do

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hayley407497

I got to level five on the first lesson, it now says practice, instead of start, when you click on it.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElenaLivia1
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I came back to Duolingo after a break of two years. The changes are dramatic compared to what I knew DL was. First of all, I can't find the vocabulary section. I remember there was a section where you could see the words you learned. That feature was very useful for me. Now I have to repeat the lessons to no end in hopes I will encounter those words that I don't know. The solution would be to create my own vocabulary on a separate app, but that is tedious and it's a shame I have to do it since it was already in DL app. Also, the crown system is... annoying and tedious. For Basics 2 I have to do 25 lessons with "I am a girl, I am a boy" so I can reach level 5. In the other lessons (clothing, animals, present tense) I don't receive writing exercises. It's a shame because I can't learn the spelling (wich is pretty difficult in Dutch). I use mostly the Android App. I have a question regarding the app. Do you get speaking exercises? I don't get them in the app, but on the laptop browser. What can I do on this matter?

4 months ago