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Klingon -Many Thanks!

I just started Klingon and I will tell you it is amazing! The amount of effort put in must be tremendous! How they got the whole language out of the movie and everything! I mean is this not a child's dream. To a language from their favourite set of movies. I think we should all try this beta course and thank the creators for their amazing effort. Thanks, To-Be Moderator!

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April 16, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZaahirAli

I used to think Klingon was in Star Wars but know I realize it's from Star Trek... Plus thanks for the Lingot whoever gave it!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tlhIngan_loD

Agreed, kudos to the creators!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jordan179848

Can you help me because to me learning Klingon is hard?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jdmcowan

It shouldn't be any harder than other languages, but learning languages is hard. Are you reading the Tips & Notes. They give a lot of explanation and make it much easier. Unfortunately, the Tips & Notes are a little bit hidden. If you click on one of the skills (the circles on the home page of the language) you will see something that looks like a light bulb in the corner. Click on that light bulb and it will show you the Tips & Notes. Refer back to them often. And if you still have questions, please return to the forums and ask very specific questions, so we know what to help you with.


[deactivated user]

    "It shouldn't be any harder than other languages" - I think part of what goes into perceptions of difficulty is accessibility, which is often determined by the number of things you are able to bring over from the language(s) you know to the language you're learning. In that sense, Klingon is very difficult for English speakers.

    For example, going from English to Spanish, you have English's Romance superstrate that you can bring with you; in a large number of cases you can take an English word ending in -tion, change it to -ción and further change -ción to -r and end up with a Spanish verb of the same or similar meaning. Obviously this isn't a fail-safe method but it is a great way to quickly start speaking the language and learn from any mistakes you make. Going from English to German you have a large number of cognates and a similar prosody. There's not much shared vocabulary between English and Klingon, though.

    On top of that, English, Spanish, and German all share very similar grammar: they have past, present and future tenses, a mandatory grammatically marked plural, cognate numbers, an active and a past/passive participle, and a construction for forming the present perfect composed of the word for "have" + the past participle. Klingon has no tense, two different aspects analogous to the perfect that are both formed with suffixes, person marking on both the subject and object, etc..

    It's also no doubt easier for speakers of languages with freer word order to wrap their heads around the OVS word order of Klingon; e.g. if you're proficient in Esperanto, German, or Russian, you've encountered some OVS sentences.

    It's not so much that any language is objectively harder than any other, but languages can be relatively hard to learn depending on how much they differ from the languages you know, and Klingon is full of very unusual features. (I almost typed "speakers" instead of "features"... lol)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jdmcowan

    I am a native English speaker who has learned other languages as well. I did not find Klingon significantly harder than the other languages I learned. I'm not sure there's much to be gained by arguing about which languages are harder or what makes a language harder. The question is really, "what can be done to make it easier?" Without more information on what Jordan179848 was finding hard about it, I had to make an educated guess and so suggested the solution to the most common problem I've seen here.


    [deactivated user]

      All I'm saying is that for most people Klingon has a much steeper learning curve than many other languages, which goes into perceptions of its difficulty. The last thing I was interested in was starting an argument over which languages were harder; I only intended to point out why many people see Klingon as difficult, including me.

      EDIT: For whatever reason I cannot reply to the comment below mine. It's funny you say that, since I only recently came to the same conclusion and posted about it in Esperanto: https://esperanto.masto.host/@kittybecca/99867762932032470 Before this topic ever came up.

      My comment wasn't about whether it literally was "a hard language," since that's not even quantifiable. I was commenting on the reason for its perception as being hard, which IMO is far more nuanced than "people say it's hard so they believe it's hard," if you take the time to read what I actually wrote. Specifically, it's hard coming from English when you don't have knowledge of other languages. I never said it wasn't easier than learning Swahili coming from the same background.

      Myself, I first tried to learn Klingon at age 12 when I only had studied English and Hebrew. To me, Klingon seemed hard and unusual at the time. Now, having tried to learn a lot of other languages, it doesn't seem quite as hard.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DavidTrimb3

      My take has always been that Klingon is actually a lot easier to learn than most natural languages. It's mostly regular, with only a few bits of irregularity. It's got a small vocabulary, so it's possible to master it all. It does almost nothing that's actually alien to natural language (putting yellow in the "cool" colors word is the one exception I can think of). The sounds of Klingon are unusual together, but they're all used in not-so-exotic natural languages. It doesn't have a lot of the complexities that many natural languages have, such as tone or articles.

      But everyone SAYS that Klingon is hard to learn, so everyone BELIEVES that Klingon is hard to learn. Your learning curve is entirely one of your own construction.

      I recently stumbled across a vlog of somebody who was reviewing Klingon. He had acquired a good understanding of the phonology and syntax of Klingon in order to record his review. He complained that as an alien language, it wasn't actually alien at all. To him, it was too simple, too easy to learn and use, too familiar to really count as an alien language.

      Sure, a speaker of one Romance language may find it easy to learn another Romance language because of common roots and syntax. But I guarantee it'll be easier for that Roman language speaker to learn Klingon than to learn Mandarin or Swahili or Mongolian or Finnish or basically anything outside of the Indo-European family.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MZ1962

      Are you expecting instant gratification?

      Don't be lazy. Work and you'll succeed.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sershalukas

      who is klingon? Q-Q


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

      It's not a "who", it's a "what" -- the Klingon language.

      It's a constructed language that was invented for the Star Trek films and series, to be spoken by a fictional race of humanoids, the Klingons.

      A brief dictionary and grammar was produced for fans to put on their bookshelves, but to the publisher's great surprise, lots of fans actually started to learn the language!

      And now, with the help of the Duolingo course, hopefully we can make learning some Klingon easier if you would like to do so :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dave.Loffredo

      "And now, with the help of the Duolingo course, hopefully we can make learning some Klingon easier if you would like to do so :)"

      Indeed you have done so! I tried a bit in the past but was befuddled by the various prefixes and suffixes. The course has made learning everything much easier! Thank you!

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