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"La tomate bio est plus chère."

Translation:The organic tomato is more expensive.

April 17, 2018

26 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dubnowalos

The hints say tomate can mean "tomatoes", i.e. it can be a mass noun. IF that is true, then "Organic tomatoes are more expensive" should be accepted. Otherwise the hints are simply wrong.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/saisonauparadis-

Agreed. "The organic tomato" sounds unnatural.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ArgentWago

I was marked wrong for putting 'The organic tomato is dearer.' When it should be accepted as 'Dearer' means 'more expensive' in english.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CJ.Dennis

You are correct, however, "more expensive" is the first (or only) way of saying it for most people. "dearer" has been losing ground to "more expensive" since at least 1800, briefly being equally popular around 1910, and is continuing to lose ground. "dearer" now sounds very old-fashioned to most people who still understand it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneduol1ngo

If this is true, it is not my own experience. I do live in a town where people tend to live to over 100, though. They say people move here to retire and then forget to die. Some of my friends who are over 100 go for walks along the promenade and do their own shopping in town. I'm 30 years younger than they are (and am happy to go for a 15-20 mile hill walk, or spend a couple of nights on a fairly remote beach in a hut), but still would say something is 'dearer' than something else. But I would also say 'more expensive'.

Edit: I looked at the graph given in the link and changed the parameters to British English from English. The crossover point is then 1937, and, 'more expensive' has taken a sharp dip since 1999. I do note that the search is of Google books and this may not be colloquial speech. I also do not know how great the difference needs to be to be statistically significant.

Further edit: If one changed the y axis the difference would not look so big. A lot can be done with statistics, but I am not a statistician.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CJ.Dennis

You're in my parent's generation. They always say "more expensive", almost never "dearer" (maybe once or twice when I was a kid?). They have lived their whole lives in Australia. It sounds like maybe you live in Britain? That could account for a difference.

The Google data does come from books, so the language is skewed towards the formal, which would favour "dearer" over "more expensive" compared to casual speech. The British corpus shows a ratio of about 12:1 in recent years. Changing the scale of the y-axis would make no difference because the graph starts at 0 so the ratios would remain the same. It's not one of those misleading graphs that exaggerates the differences.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SMCG9

Without at all wishing to get into a battle, and noting that CJ appropriately has Strayan heritage, I would think it entirely reasonable that "dearer" and "more expensive" be accepted in the spirit of Duo accepting reasonable alternative translations, as it frequently does.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneduol1ngo

Thanks...and I learned something...I had to google 'Strayan' to find out what this is! (Australian for others who are ignorant).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rolf383322

Fascinating stuff


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mplvin

Whilst that may be the case in worldwide literature, I certainly dont think it's correct in Britain in speech. I'm in my late twenties but have lived in a lot of different counties and people just do not say more expensive


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneduol1ngo

I agree and have reported it. I feel sure I have previously reported the same in a different exercise.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

As a native Englishman who has retired to France and, as Anneduol1ngo so delightfully puts it, has "forgotten to die" - (and long may my memory continue to fail in this respect), I would always use "dearer" rather than "more expensive". Hopefully, Duo will accept both in future!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tony944694

i find it more normal to use dearer and from the foregoing it appears that i am far from alone, so Duolingo should accept it as it is in wide current usage


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

C'mon, please, Duo! Most UK English people (of any age group) would use "dearer" rather than "more expensive". Because Duo is structured to encourage achievement by competition - if only against oneself or the clock, it is needlessly frustrating when absolutely correct answers are rejected without reason.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TrevorBirk

Obviously it's down to the American english where you must use as many words as possible ignoring anything that may be less complex


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

« I can see trouble ahead…... ». Ooh ! Trevor, you’re liable to get whupped for that ! Some of the ‘cousins’ get very antsy if you criticize. « Hush ! Hush ! Whisper who dares – US usage is not « the last word ». ;-)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leigh969612

That was my answer but it was marked wrong. - The organic tomato is more expensive -

Where did i go wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

Hi Leigh969612. It appears from your post that your response was exactly that given by Duo as it’s preferred answer. In which case, it would be an obvious glitch. Report it, and hope that a friendly moderator will eventually sort it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leigh969612

Thank you. That's what baffled me. I hope the moderator sorts it out for the next user(s). Fun learning though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

Hi Leigh969612. Remember that Duo relies heavily on a few extremely dedicated, unpaid, volunteer moderators to monitor these courses. They not only offer unlimited help on all the discussion forums, but also, where possible, intervene with Duo staff to implement changes and modifications where is is possible so to do. It’s all part of what makes Duo able to continue it’s mission of being ‘free at the point of use’. But – it remains, for me, and, I hope, for millions of others, a very effective learning tool. Thanks to students’ contributions to the forums, and the dedication of the moderators, it is also, as you say, great fun ! What more could one ask for ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fionagirl6

Are "bio" and "biologique" used in the same way to mean "organic"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrianC512805

Biological is used in English


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hK8Y6lLB

"the organic tomato's more expensive" was marked as wrong


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TD56
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Dearer = more expensive


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_Scott

Organic tomatoes are more expensive. That's what I put. Marked wrong. Unless we are talking about a specific tomato, we would never say in English "the organic tomato is more expensive". But Duo provides no context, so I avoided saying something that sounds stupid in English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul882324

Salut Seattle_scott. Ignoring, for the moment, whether ‘tomate’ can be a ‘mass noun’ as has been suggested eleswhere in this forum, your assumption of plurality in the subject is not rigourously justifiable.

Suppose, for example, one was buying what we call in the UK a ‘beef tomato’ - those huge wannabbee pumpkin things – where you might indeed be talking about, and thinking of buying, just one?

Generally (albeit with notable exceptions), Duo prefers the closest literal translations, and moderators Sitesurf and CommeuneTexane have explained elsewhere in the forums how it’s ‘marking’ system operates, which explains a lot about why certain answers get rejected.

Forget about what may seem to be “stupid in English”. It is the very phrasing of your “stupid in English” response that may tell Duo that you have correctly identified the grammar/ construction/ usage that the exercise was trying to teach.

Also, I heartily commend to you the contributions of CJ.Dennis on this phrase – (save for the somewhat leftfield assertions on the relative merits of “dearer” and “more expensive”. ;-)

Bon weekend!

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