https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

Problems with the Word Bank in Hebrew

Following are some problems I have noticed in Hebrew with the Word Bank.

  1. The sentences read left to right instead of right to left. I think that has already been mentioned.

  2. No option to use the Word Bank in the listening exercises. Is that supposed to be available?

  3. No option to report the Word Bank did not have the correct words for a sentence. I encountered that once.

Does this belong in the Hebrew forum or the troubleshooting one?

EDIT: I had the way sentences were read in Hebrew and English mixed up. Corrected that.

EDIT 2: The sentences are now the right way for Hebrew, right to left. Thank-you Duo staff!

April 17, 2018

15 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut

The point of the listening exercises is to see if you can reproduce the spoken Hebrew in writing, it would be far too easy and a little pointless if you had a word bank for that.

On the app, the word bank exercises build the word the correct way. It is frustrating that it's wrong on the website, the only way to really use it right now is to build the sentence the way you know it works and try to ignore that it appears backwards.

Honestly, I strongly recommend turning the word bank off. I don't think it's even an option past a certain crown level anyway. and typing the exercises is far better practice.

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

You are right, of course flootzavut, that this is the best way to learn. But imagine if someone is just starting the Hebrew course today. They are using the word bank because they are completely new to Hebrew. They would assume the word bank is correct and they will doubtless get so confused that they will either quite Hebrew altogether (since there is already a myth that Hebrew is difficult) or will become confused and develop bad habits. This isn’t such a problem for anyone who has already been studying Hebrew for a while, but it would be terrible for a begginer, who is just getting used to the right to left writting. Many people don’t read the boards, so if they are new to Hebrew, they will have no way of knowing it is displaying incorrectly. Imagine if French or Spanish sentences were displaying backwards? Yesterday, I reported a problem with one single sentence in french not excepting a correct french spelling, and it was fixed immediately (because the french mods are awesome!) and this is a major problem that has been reported several times now and is just being ignored, it seems.

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut

I didn't claim that it was ideal, I just offered an immediate solution for the issue at hand. Obviously it should be fixed and Duolingo needs to sort that out, but in the short term, the best solution is to turn the word bank off on the website.

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

I agree, that is really the best thing to do till it is fixed.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

Well, it would be interesting to do. After all if you are going to use the word bank for everything else, how do they expect you to spell something when you get to a listening exercise?

Personally I've been using the word bank as a different way to practice and intend to learn the spelling for every word as well. It actually helps me learn words, because I'm not thinking so hard about how to spell them. With the great influx of lessons a word bank is handy doing crowns.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut

Which is exactly why I personally don't like the word bank or recommend it. Saying how do they expect you to be able to spell when you get to the aural exercises frankly just shows the weakness of the word bank as a learning method. It isn't helping you learn those words very well if it being taken away leaves you at sea when it comes to producing the language - well not even producing it, but simply transcribing it.

If you're serious about learning Hebrew, as opposed to just finishing the course, then the word bank is IMO a false economy for your time and effort.

The listening exercises with a word bank would likely prove nothing more than "I can more or less decipher the alphabet."

April 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

While I value the spelling, I would be interested to be able try them to help my listening skills. It seems Hebrew is spoken in a sing-song way where the words run into each other and get gobbled up. Perhaps my ears are to blame for that. They are not perfect.

April 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mazzorano

I believe some of these issues have already been escalated by a member of our team to Duolingo, so except some changes soon.

April 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

Glad to hear that! Perhaps in the meantime the mods/contributers/people with some authority could make some sort of official post warning beginners (people starting the course) in the meantime, so that beginners do get confused/ learn to read and write Hebrew incorrectly.

April 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

Good to hear that! I I know I saw the left to right mentioned, I haven't seen the rest mentioned. I know this is a new feature, so it's bound to have some problems.

April 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

I just tested this myself. On the app the word bank was displaying correctly, right to left for Hebrew’ as it should. Then I tried the browser and my Hebrew answers were displaying right to left as you said. Not only that, but I pressed enter to see what would happen and the right to left (as in backwards and incorrect) sentences were accepted and marked correct. Answers placed in the correct order, using the word bank (which essentially means having to enter the sentence backwards) were actually marked wrong. I hope someone fixes this soon, because it can only confuse people. Until then, I suggest everyone uses the app.. which is working.

April 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

I only use the computer. Not that it is a problem to me. But it doesn't make sense to read it backwards.

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

No, of course it doesn’t make sense to read it backwards!but when i enter the answer on the browser, the ‘correct’ answer displays backwards (left to write) So to get an answer that displays right to left I had to input the sentence backwards (and it was still marked wrong). I agree with you Corinnebelle, there is a mistake with the system/ word bank... that should be fixed. Maybe try troubleshooting?

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

I ran this in troubleshooting for a day. I got one upvote and no other activity. Figured I'd put it in Hebrew. Maybe the Hebrew contributors can answer 3. (I believe 1 has been mentioned before.) And know what to do for two.

I found the Word Bank a great resource in that sometimes I learn words faster, because I don't have to spell them on a foreign keyboard with my qwerty one immediately. Of course, I want to learn the spelling too. But there are a lot of different pieces to a learning each word in another language--spelling, pronunciation, recognition, meaning and form.

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MissSpells

I also like using the word bank. I use memrise to learn the spellings of the words, but sometimes it is just nice to have the wordbank option to be able to focus on the sentence structure.. and not typing on my hebrew keyboard, at my slow spead. I actually really like the app for Hebrew. Hopefully someone will see this and fix the issue!

April 19, 2018
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