https://www.duolingo.com/kokaku

Repetitive

This is for anyone on the Duolingo Chinese team that might be following the forums. The early topics really need to be reworked under the new crown system. There's way too much repetition to make it worth doing all the levels unless one has OCD and must level up everything.

Either add more vocabulary or reduce the number of lessons per level.

For example, the first topic is just hello, good, and goodbye repeating over and over and over. Level 4 is 10 lessons of this, which is already a repetition of levels 3 and 2 and 1. Is level 5 going to be 20 more lessons of the same thing?

Other early topics are similar. Later topics get better because there's more vocabulary and more challenging grammar. Also there seem to be fewer lessons per level which helps.

April 19, 2018

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/momo-wuwen

Apparently, throughout the entire course, such content is not yet available, it just cycles thorough the same 3 or 4 activities over and over and over and there is no reason to get skills past level 1 or 2, 太蛋疼了!

April 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/kokaku

Good to know not to waste time leveling up lessons right now and focus on going through the tree once on level 1 and 2.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/fallingleaf_271

I agree with you completely. The duolingo team should bring back skill decay as well.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Semeltin

There is skill decay and the old gilding on this page: https://www.duolingo.eu/fallingleaf_271/progress

April 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Helenzie

Hi, I have tried doing all the levels of one skill, to see what it is like. I chose the first skill of Chinese. And I can certainly say "Hello" and "Goodbye" and "good" now, that is for sure...

Just to be sure what the experience would be like, I did the first skill of Japanese up to level 5 too. Again, it was very repetative, and challenged my mouse-clicking skills maybe more than the language parts of my brain.

Conclusion: Trying to level up to level 5 for a skill is probably not a good way to use duolingo.

There are still very good ways to use it - maybe going through the tree adding one notch at a time to all skills? Or concentrating on new skills first, if the tree is not all accessed yet. Or possibly keeping track yourself (somehow???) of what skills you have done, and which you feel need strengthening.

All these are possible, but really they do highlight how nice duolingo was to use, when it automatically did the calculations for you and displayed them as strength bars.

I do miss the strength bars a lot.

I feel the current system would benefit a lot from having either the strength bars back, or some other easily-visible way of "suggesting" to the user which lesson they would benefit best from working on. E.g. a "glow" around whichever skill is currently the weakest.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

Conclusion: Trying to level up to level 5 for a skill is probably not a good way to use duolingo.

I agree with this conclusion (at least in terms of what one ought to do when first approaching a skill; if it should happen over time through reviewing, a different matter). Incidentally, so does Duolingo, which they point out in the Crowns FAQ post.

However, I would say that basing it on the very first skill in a tree (all the more so the Chinese tree, which is perhaps the most "impoverished" skill on the whole of Duolingo) is not a definitive way to establish it. If it holds on a grammar or vocab skill you still find very difficult, that's a more on-point test.

possibly keeping track yourself (somehow???) of what skills you have done, and which you feel need strengthening.

My method for this is merely to work on a skill until I am quite comfortable with it and then moving on. The crowns are actually a more enduring recordkeeping modality for this than making skills gold was, for a skill could be turned gold with only a single right answer in timed practice. Crown level 4 is not so easily come by.

April 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Wadafik

Yeah, don't bother chasing the crowns for now because I've maxed out on Duo (the last topic) and I don't see a single new sentence.

April 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

Whether unfamiliar sentences appear depends on the specific skill (topic) in the specific tree.

There may well be few or none of these in Chinese. It was built on a different system, so the sentence retirement feature may always have worked differently, or they may just have put the retirement threshold higher.

April 22, 2018
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