The previous duolingo experience vs the new duolingo experience.
Should be allowed to switch to the previous experience to study the lessons, there should be the option to choose the previous experience to study the lessons, because the very bad thing about the "duolingo new experience" is that it does not allow you to review each lesson all the times that are necessary and therefore there can not be a quality retentive learning, and the only thing that is achieved with this "duolingo new experience" is a kind of learning with a short duration mental retentive, and because now you can not review the lessons the times you need later for improve the learning in detail then the course becomes deficient in spite of the extra content that has been added in. In my case I was learning the language very well with the duolingo previous experience, with the new experience I only can learn the short enough time to continue advancing to the next level in a hurry, but the next day I do not remember what I studied and like already there is no way to go over the lessons in detail again like with the previous experience of duolingo, then it is time lost. All this situation disappoints me a lot and truncates my goals with language because I was considering duolingo an excellent method before the imposition of "the new experience of duolingo".
It demands an unreasonable amount of work to reach level five making level five completion not an appealing goal and they have restricted the use of timed practice only making everything slower and offer no option to test out if you are already skilled in a language. Originally Duolingo was great and promising as a language learning tool for anyone. Now they are just adding gimmicks and things while lower quality and incomplete courses are just left as they are, even coming out of beta well before they are ready. Three or four languages don't even have sound and likely more soundless courses will be released in the future.
I thought I could get used to the crown thing but I really can't, especially if I can't choose which lessons to review with timed practice. Pressing the practice button doesn't really help either as it just seems to repeat the same three or for lessons.
In fact, it is a pity that has not changed to improve but quite the opposite. Personally, I no longer find it attractive or stimulating to study the language in duolingo committedly since it changed to "the new duolingo experience". And I do not find it attractive or stimulating because I know beforehand that the results obtained are mediocre when reaching level 5 of each part studied, not worth all the work required to reach level 5 in each part because it no longer gives you the opportunity to revisit each lesson as many times as you consider necessary. The lessons in the previous experience had better quality content and that combined with the fact that you could review them again and again was the best. And indeed the current practice button does not help much either, the learning result is mediocre. And indeed the crown was not a good change either. Therefore, in short, the quality of the courses was greatly reduced with "the new duolingo experience". I hope they reconsider and allow us to switch to the previous experience of duolingo.
I'm glad I'm not the only one very frustrated by the new Duolingo. And even more frustrating to me is that the Tinycards content doesn't agree with the Duolingo content. So I'll learn words in Tinycards, then switch to Duolingo to do the lesson and not know what's going on because Duo is using a different definition than Tinycards. I always had very high hopes for Duolingo, but I don't like what's happening to it. I may go back to Babbel, memrise, and a few other resources.
You echo many of my sentiments precisely. I don't mind them wanting to improve the system, and I can understand the reasoning behind the basic crowns change. What I really cannot grasp is why they decided to make a strictly worse feature base at the same time.
the new crown system is tedious and repetitive. i have been through the tree a number of times, enjoyed going through lessons in which i wanted to reinforce the vocabulary. my favorite part was reading the comments, Swedish mods are awesome. i keep getting the same vocabulary, not motivating. hope the words get more diverse as i move up the tree again
This happens ALL THE TIME. From Booking.com to your bank's website to Facebook. The computer nerds have to justify their job and the only way they can do that is by changing things up.
If everything is working OK, there is no need for them. So, they are constantly "updating" and "improving" what already works well. And in the end, you have to re-learn where the icons and menus are, relearn how to navigate, etc.
Duolingo: listen to your users, not the programmer nerds!
What a rude thing to say. Decisions like these are almost always the results of marketing, branding, business, etc. - the developers only rarely get to say anything about it. And who uses "nerd" as a pejorative in 2018?
I mean, I agree with your sentiments about the site but as a developer myself I can't help but be offended by the way you choose to articulate them.
I have a lot of experience in the corporate world and every different department is like a living entity. It wants to be pertinent.
Someone sold management a bill of goods and they implemented a new program that wasn't ready.
I read thread after thread of "we're working on that." Why did they roll out a broken "not ready" experience?
It is rank amateur.
Rude? Rude is jerking out tens of thousands of people from their comfort zone with a broken system and then act cavalier when they complain about it.
Your individual experience is hardly cause to malign all developers, site designers, engineers, etc. In this specific case you don't know how the A/B testing went when they tried this model out. You also have no insight into how the old system operated, or easy it was to maintain, or how easy it was to add new courses or new material. There's a lot behind the scenes that most of us are not privy to, and I concur that just calling people "computer nerds" because you're upset with the changes is unfair and unproductive. You're perfectly within your rights to be upset, and have the freedom to complain and make yourself heard, but name calling is inappropriate. Please tone it down.
The practicing I find the most frustrating. I'm always given practices from the top of my tree because the algorithm has determined that I'm not 100% fluent in some of those words. But I don't get anything out of repeating "The chairs are blue" every week, I'd rather work on infinitives and past tense, where I really struggle.
PotatoSanta and I-transcendental I share most of your views, and have a lingot each from me. Just less than a week ago I was telling my French teacher that I love Duo, and have been encouraging others to try Duo, before all these changes. I didn't at first find the changes unhelpful as I wanted to give it a go and "try it and see". I didn't want to just knock the changes "on it's head" without first giving it a go. Changes are always going to come in life whether we like it or not. But things should change for the better and these changes in my humble opinion are so far not for the better.
I know Duo is free and I am grateful for at least knowing how to say a few words in so many languages, that I would otherwise have not without Duo. However, it seems as if the changes that are being made are taking the fun out of the learning process. As PotatoSanta says you have to do an unreasonable amount of work to reach level five before going on to another level. An example for me is that for the Portuguese course I had about 66 or more lessons before I could complete a single subject "Preposition". Further, we were used to being given is it a certificate or something to share on fb when you reach each level. I reached level 25 last night and it was nowhere to be seen which is quite annoying. Maybe it has gone away with the changes made, I don't know.
Have to say I agree, too. I have noticed I'm doing a lot of the easy review, at the top of the tree, instead of at the bottom of the tree. I should self-motivate and work at the bottom of the tree, I know. But ... it's tempting to redo easy stuff, as silly as it sounds, because it isn't "finished" - ie level 5. So the change to Crowns has focused me on the wrong stuff ... and I do not believe I have encountered any new content.
I finished the Swedish course in the old Duolingo and kept repeating. I liked it very much. The new version is rubish. I don't think I will continue to practice. It's childish and boring. I don't understand why they totally change such a good concept. I was using it for French and some other languages too, but it's no good anymore. I want the original version back!
I agree. I have totally lost my momentum to learn Swedish. I was so pumped about it before this awful change, highly motivated. Now it's a struggle to slog through the bad lessons. WTF did they do to a great website????
It's sad, but I feel better seeing that others feel the same way I do. Pretty sure I'm just going to switch to other resources and dump Duolingo. I hate to do that because I've always liked the idea of Duolingo and wanted to support it.
I'm not going to dump it per se, but I'm spending a lot less time - they're getting maybe 25-50% of my time. I've started to look at some other platforms.
Yes... I was also very motivated studying the language before they changed to the "new duolingo experience"... Now I can no longer feel motivated because I know that I am not learning properly because the new change is deficient and therefore there is no point in striving as before.
I agree completly. Also I know that it sounds silly, but the fact a section became golden once you have completed or repeated it long enough and now doesn't anymore is less motivating for me personally.
Well, it still becomes golden but only once you reach the fifth level. Meaning you have to go through it more than 20 times in many cases. They want the users to spend more time on the website than they originally did.
The funny thing is, I spent WAY more time on the old website! And almost every day. Now, I can hardly bring myself to look at this new mess, let alone spend time on it.
I DO spend time in the discussions, complaining and up-voting other complainers. LOL. Does that achieve Duolingo's goal? Mojligtvis!
I think you're giving them too much credit for thinking.
I don't think they thought this out at all; just some computer guy changed it up and they didn't anticipate the impact.
As a former languate teacher for adult learners, I know that learner's enemy #1 is boredom. With the "new experience" Duolingo has done a good job making the learning process boring. I seriously consider quitting Duolingo and starting another online learning platform. Please, Duolingo, give us the option to opt out of the crowns system. I did love the old platform but am more and more bored with the new one.
I'm not enjoying the new format at all. It drags. So I'm not sticking with it like I did, it makes me just quit practicing sooner. Sorry Duo, you bombed.
I have been away a month and I come back and I'm now 0 completed on EVERY LESSON?
Who thought up this brilliant new game plan?
Crown system could be a good motivation tool. If there was an algorithm to count how many words do you remember when practice. Now it it pure boredom. I cannot get used to. I started from the beginning. All users do it. I could continue the old practice button, since I have finished the old tree in 3 languages and 1 more in my native, to practice English as a reverse tree.
What is missing? The fainting tree. Duolingo could guide you how much practice you need by making the tree colorful again, so as to remind you that you need to repeat these lessons. Crown system is one and for all. You make it gold and leave. If you stand to repeat trivial phrases for a long time. I am feeling sleepy to repeat the same phrase all the time, most of my mistakes are because I am not thinking much, I am feeling bored and sleepy, so I am not focused. I don't think I am the only one :)
What could Duolingo make it better? To put everybody in a logical level. I don't need, for God's sake to repeat "Bonjour" and "Arrivederci" a decade of times, I already know it!
There are educational methods to assign fluency: A test for instance with many questions is enougn. And it could be so as you could not cheat! No copy and paste for instance! A real problem is copy and paste in the web version. It should not permitted!
A system more strict and hard, a tree that is getting colorful more frequently than before could compensate the lack of practice and keep the learner aware. I could propose more tricks: The laureate of each language could get fainting by the time if you don't practice frequently enough. So as to feel aware and keep learning. Fluency could be kept and renamed, as it is not a real fluency meter. But it was keeping many learners to practice more.
And finally Crowns: Crowns could be added to the other motivational tricks, not replacing them! And it could be the old golden unit, enhanced if you make the old strengthening exercises, many enough to cover all the questions and words of this unit. BUT no so many repeats! It is boring, sometimes it makes you nervous, sometimes bored, sometimes make you leave the course. I lost my pace, my everyday routine. I keep the XPs but they are inferior in quality, I am forgetting the verbs and the tenses by the time and I have no motivation to repeat them.
Practice button? I used to press it to repeat and increase my fluency. Now I don't anymore. Ok, don't answer me that learning is the scope, please.. I know it. But motivation to a goal in Duolingo makes this scope more pleasant and it cuts it to small chunks of learning units. This is the idea after all.
I agree. Have a lingot! I have absolutely no reason to hoard them anymore...
I used to be able to review exactly what I thought I needed to review and to drill specifically on vocabulary that was giving me trouble. Now the computer makes these decisions for me. What is probably worst is that I can't go back and repeat exactly the specific sentences that had been giving me trouble, nor can I revert to a level that I had already passed even if I felt I needed review on that level. I recently owled in Swedish. I had then planned to do the Portuguese course, but I realized when I started that I simply wasn't learning as fast as I had in my other courses, and I shut it down. I'm now picking my way along the German thru Italian course because I enjoy the intellectual exercise of working in several languages at once. But that's all it is now, intellectual exercise, and there's no joy and little learning. I used to do 100+ points a day, and now I'm averaging about 20. The crowns, the lingots, the old fluency system, and all the other gamified bells and whistles are irrelevant to me. I'm just not learning as effectively here as I once did. On the upside, I am now spending more time with my language textbooks.
Good for you qbeast, I'm sure you will learn faster with your books. Indeed, I too am spending less time on Duo now. I used to, once in a while do 500 to 800 XPs a sitting if I'm really motivated. Now I just do the bare minimum to maintain my streak 50 XPs, and if I have time a bit more. I am really not enjoying Duo as I used to anymore. Shame really, as it was a very good site for me.
I also agree. I was very dismayed by the "improvements" (crowns), then I tried to just go with it and make it work for me. I hate it. I felt like I was making real progress before, and I really enjoyed the challenges - but now I just feel frustrated. Especially with languages I know well (French, and to a lesser extent German) - it is annoying to have to go through endless, repetitive, basic exercises, when before it was fun and helpful to be challenged and keep up/improve my skills. Don't really want to quit, but will look for other ways to learn that offer a better experience.
To quote PotatoSanta: "It demands an unreasonable amount of work to reach level five making level five completion not an appealing goal and they have restricted the use of timed practice only making everything slower and offer no option to test out if you are already skilled in a language."
I fully agree with that. The grind is so tiresome. I think I'll get to level 3 and let it go. No point in grinding the same thing over and over when it's already estabilished well enough. 15 exercises to reach Crown number 4 isn't fun at all - I know it already and I can use it in other exercises without learning something new. Isn't it what we usually do? Use basics to learn something moderately difficult, to move over to advanced stuff, which in turn is used to learn something complex? I won't even attempt Crown number 5 (lvl 4 is already waste of time). I have better things do with limited time than waste time on a number on my profile. I just want to effectively learn the (basics) of the language and move on and those who need to max out a skill just for the number: OCD is a real issue.
Out of interest, I reached level 5. It's basically the same kind of repeating simple words and sentences. Boring. However, the lessons down the tree are more challenging. I'd like to re-do them but it is not possible, WHY?
I keep reading from all the cheerleaders, "If you are happy at level 3, then move on."
Why not make it 10 levels? 100?
it is so broken now
"it is so broken now"
I know! So true! They moved my cheese!
Why some people don't get that really puzzles me. I have a hole in my heart. I used to love doing my lessons SO MUCH! I used to wake up at 5am so I could do them before work. It gave me a thrill to be learning a language, something I thought I could never do. I fell in love with Swedish and worked so hard at it.
And some idiot shill here accuses me of "sick gaslighting." Can you not tell I am sincere and mourning something I LOVED???
I'm really at a loss now. I've looked at other sites and they are not good. Not for me, anyway. I loved the interaction with the old Duo. It seemed to KNOW what I needed to work on which was AMAZING! It kept me fresh where I was stale. It interacted. Why did they get rid of that? To keep eyeballs here longer? How's that working out for you, Duo? I would love to know how many users they've lost. They've lost me.
The practice button on the page still teaches you the words that are stale, they just aren't showing that decay on the tree page. Levels indicate your amount of proficiency with a lesson, not the need to study.
There's no reason why you can't continue to study Swedish here. I know the change is frustrating, and I can get that you're upset, but the actual learning aspect of the site hasn't changed, and the content in the lessons hasn't changed either. It's all still there, and you can continue to study whichever parts of the tree you want. You can even go to duolingo.eu and find out which lessons are the most decayed and need the most refreshing.
I really sincerely hope you stick with it and continue to work on your lessons. Learning a language is beneficial in so many ways, and it will continue to help and enrich you.
It does not matter that there are those who even are not involved in the cause and interfere wanting to try to make it look right what is not right. They are more loud people the very few those who do not have to do with the cause and get into trying to excel pretending supremacy in understanding, projecting mediocrity and not evolution as they pretend. When something works well and is of good quality for learning it does not have to be replaced by something that is of lower quality and that leads to deficiency for learning. The old duolingo experience allowed those who had problems with a lesson could return to review in specific the desired lessons as many times as necessary, ensuring with that a quality learning for disciplined students; now, the new duolingo experience does not allow us to return to study the lessons in detail and much less: many times as necessary, it simply focuses on imposing on the student a kind of express learning that obviously diminishes the quality of the results, and hence a very informal and deficient learning is obtained, and that without focusing on the contents. The fact that duolingo is a free site should not be synonymous with poor quality since it was not until recently... In fact, there are cost sites that are a real trash in terms of quality. The old duolingo experience ensured to the disciplined student an integral and of quality learning, very outstanding for the site. When you no longer have control of what is studied you lose motivation and therefore if you continue to do so, the results are invariably mediocre. Therefore the insistence on being heard by those who administer the duolingo site to appeal to their common sense and make them notice that it is still time to fix this, they could have enriched the contents but without changing the old method of good quality. Or instead, allow the switch at will to the old duolingo experience as an option for those who wish it.
YES!!! Now that it is gone, I realize I would PAY A LOT to access the old system. Can we please have that option? I will pay, Duo! Bring it back and I will PAY!!!!!
Well honestly I exhausted the possibilities and discovered that this link does not really lead to the old duolingo experience as such, the only thing it does after trying is to return to the current experience, after all, it's wrong. It would be great if those who manage the duolingo site proceed to fully restore the old duolingo experience as an option so that those of us who appreciate the quality of disciplined learning can continue to study as well as before. Without the desire to bother: the new duolingo experience is retrograde, only focuses on appearing lavish but does not allow we who study have a real control of what we study as with the old experience, and therefore it ends up being lost time.
I prefer the previous version to the new version for the following reasons:
1) There is no overview how many levels each lesson has. As a learner, that makes me feel tired, as I do not see the progress and how long it will take to reach the goal;
2) The new version arrived while I nearly finished 50% of one language using the previous version. I am not sure how I shall proceed. Starting from the beginning again or go further where I was? I feel a bit lost;
3) While the new version offers more opportunities for learners to practice, it makes me frustrated about learning. Since I do not see how long it will take me to finish one language.
From my learning experience with duolingo over the few months, I would recommend to add a) some clarifications on each function, e.g. What does it mean with levels? What does each level mean? How many levels are there with each lesson? What kind of language standard each level equals to, such as TOEFL, IELTS, Common European Framework of Reference for Languages, HSK.......... b) exams or tests by the end of each level; c) conversation video / audio or even film using the knowledge within each level.
Hope that helps.
It's your fault really. While the new system isn't perfect (what is?), You just need to keep an open mind and remain optimistic despite how much they've wrecked it.
Get ready, this is what the cheerleaders are going to tell you.
I like the new changes a lot, even though I had already finished the norwegian tree a long time ago, im thankful to have to grind the lower lessons because there were still minor details that I was forgetting. The grind may be boring but it is effective at really instilling the lessons within a person. Duolingo is now flexible in the sense that you can speed quickly up the tree, or take your time to perfect everything to level 5. You don't have to choose the later option either, which is cool.
You could have done that before, all they have done is made timed practice unusable forcing everyone to go through slowly. It was flexible before as it allowed people to go at their own pace, it no longer does this.
The timed practice function appears after level 5. That was a relief. Even though it would be logical to have the option available at all times, that would save slow repeating of easy phrases and in more advanced lessons, it would suggest more practice. In this respect the three hearts system was very helpful.
Great, in about 9 years I'll have access to timed function on all of my lessons!
Yes, it is quite regrettable, since the old duolingo disappeared, my performance is no longer the same, in fact it is not even stimulating enough to study it seriously, I just do not find it satisfying to study a lot daily like before, or rather, now I see it as a game or something, because since I am not learning as before, since they deprived us of recourse to each individual lesson when we need it as many times as we want, then the interest dissolved. Now, after a few minutes of practicing with the new version of duolingo: I get bored and I even get angry about how frustrating and useless it is since there is no point in learning something that you can not strengthen like in old duolingo and that therefore will not be retained in the mind for long. The old duolingo was intelligent, the current one is the opposite. How unfortunate, it seems that if it continues like this, it will not be long before I forget duolingo and I better choose to do something useful.
How many lingots should i give you ? And how much thanks do i have to tell you ??
I am 100% with you and thank you for unleashing my pressure and agony and torment and annoyance with this issue by speaking about it and letting Duolingo makers hear it.
I, too, was happy with the ability to repeat each lesson on its own and remember the words slowly and actually learn !!
But since this new method arrived, I've been hurrying like hell (because i finish one lesson and get PUSHEDDD into the other !!!) and i started deteriorating in learning... just jumping from one lesson to another without having the opportunity to repeat anything i learned .
I also write down everything i learn on paper.. so unfortunately, now, with this new method, i can't come back and write the words after i learned them without writing down the first time, but i have to write them down the very first time i get into contact with them or else i lose them and the opportunity to repeat them !
This has made me lose my tolerance and my otherwise lost joy in practicing without there being pressure to write everything down lest i lose them (when i could actually return to them any time later).
This made me quit my languages as it became a complete mess ..
I urge the Duolingo makers to turn back to the initial, fruitful, and more practical way that made us want to join Duolingo in the first place !
Well thanks to your comment I realize that things are not fixed yet. I have already left Duolingo, I am no longer attractive to his method of teaching, a year ago I abandoned it. With their new poor methodology you can no longer learn languages with good quality, the only thing that managed by discarding their old method is to devalue the quality of teaching. And the worst thing is that apparently this truth does not matter to those who administer Duolingo, because with your comment I realize that things have not changed since I complained, so it is pointless to consider Duolingo again to continue learning . It's a shame.