https://www.duolingo.com/Muss403695

After The Crowns.

Duo needs a complete overhaul now, here is what I have noticed in the past few weeks. I regularly keep an eye on my word count, which maxed out at 3555 when I finished the tree. During my recent reguilding of The Basics, my word count has steadily grown to 3606. I know for definate that I have seen no new words in these lower levels, so why the increase. I also notice that I have words marked as last seen A Year Ago. and there are a lot of them. But I am currently going through my tree taking everything to level 3 from 2 and have reached the point I was at about 8 months ago, so in theory I shouldnt have any words showing as been more than 8 months since last seen, Unless there is some issue with Spaced Repetition. On the web, I see my collection of a few hundred gemgots, but on the app I seem to have several thousand. There are other things that dont seem to match up, but I dont want to turn this into a rant, Its just that there seems to be issues or problems with correlation between the apps and the web, what we do and how it is recorded,

I have a feeling that gradually we are all starting to migrate towards the Web, we have had enough of A/ B testing, been played with, manipulated, aggrovated, exploited. We just want to learn languages at our own pace and in our own way, and have our activity recorded accurately across multi platforms. If the DL team really want to gain useable information from its userbase, I would dare them to start A/B testing on the web. Like migrating birds, me thinks.

9 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/diecidieci
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About the word count; I think the new words you've acquired might just be different forms of the old words. Out of my 3756 words only 15 are listed as "used 1 year/12 months ago", and three of them are just different forms of the verb "potere" (puoi, possiamo, possono). I find it hard to believe that I haven't used these words in a year though. Plurals are also included in the list and I wouldn't really consider them to be separate words either...

(And interestingly, I only have about 30 words listed as "last used between 11 and 3 months ago".)

According to Duolingo.eu my Italian course has 1800 words --- so perhaps the rest of my listed words are just different forms of them?

I think Duolingo is great for learning the most basic grammar rules of a language, but if you want to build up a great vocabulary there are better sources out there for sure.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Muss403695

Now I am further interested. We are both at the same level but we have a count difference of about 200, despite having approximately the same amount of exposure. Not that it bothers me, it just concerns me that we are not all seeing the same things, or been subjected to the same limiting factors, etc etc. My curiosity, what I see, What I read on this forum, and my personal experience with DL, lead me to a bad conclusion. I get the “ its free” and the “ voluteers” thing, But everything together, and the current update makes me think of nothing good for the future. I just to learn Italian and not be part of some experiment to try and extract money from my pocket in devious ways, or have blocks put on my learning. I would seriously pay a subscription fee to use DL, but only if everything was sorted, and had consitency for all and everybody.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/diecidieci
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We're at the same level (25), but I have 2k more XP in Italian --- and I'm sure we've concentrated more on different skills.

I went to stalk your Duolingo.eu page and it says your Italian course has 1793 words, which is just 7 words less than what I have on there. But it also seems like you don't have one of the extra skills, so I guess that's why you're missing the words?

So our 3555 and 3756 words probably just include different forms of those 1800 words --- and the reason why I have more "words" (= forms) is because we've concentrated on different skills and bc I have those extra 2k XP. If we did an identical amount of review on the same skills we'd probably encounter about as much of the same forms of the words.

Honestly, I don't think me encountering more plurals and whatever different forms of verbs than you at the same level is that concerning. The exercises might even be a bit customized based on what sentences we've gotten wrong in the past --- which is a good thing.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andresb_UY
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(1808 for those who bought the Christmas unit, for the rest of us is 1800.)

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Glenn983109

Yes, my impression is that DL analyses user's behaviour and adjusts itself in order to direct one towards a subscription.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SonoInglese01

Yeh I agree, Far too much inconsistencies between the apps and the Website. This Health thing, I have also had it for about a year, what is it that they have not concluded after twelve months. I think that by now the conclusion should be that its a massive failure, and no one has it, or its a massive success and everyone has it, Even using the Website. Its like they have purposefully targeted Only Some ios users. For twelve months ? Come on Duo, All or nothing by now !

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Hey, I thought you were on holiday:-)

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Muss403695

Hey sorella, non finche alle due su Mercoledi, per dieci giorni. Andiamo al Albufeira.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BeCreative__
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I stopped using the app a while ago; health makes it hell. I was using arabic as a base language because it was easier to type on my phone, but health makes it hell.

I don't think what you point out about words is too crucial also.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tina38500
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My word count is virtually static; only 2000 words after 33K points in 4 months. I 'd like a richer vocab ,FB groups help with that plus a brilliant podcast that I found today "Coffee Break Italian" on Spotify. Ciao a tutti e buona settimana

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddeck22
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Coffee Break Italian is pretty fun and gives good, quick lessons on grammar. Memrise is great for vocabulary, the official Italian courses are fun. I went back to Memrise to get more vocab after finishing the 7 official Italian courses. They have a ton of courses, but of varying quality outside of the official ones.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DaffodiI
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Same "About the word count; I think the new words you've acquired might just be different forms of the old words. Out of my 3756 words only 15 are listed as "used 1 year/12 months ago", and three of them are just different forms of the verb "potere" (puoi, possiamo, possono). I find it hard to believe that I haven't used these words in a year though." -diecidieci

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3
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Yes, the Words tab reveals that all is not right in the state of Duolingo word strength. It's a common observation (but presumably less so among those who have thought of Duolingo spaced repetition, which is based on the word strength as some sort of inviolate gold standard).

Agreed that the Words tab count simply counts different forms of the same words differently. As pointed out the thing called "lexemes," which you can easily see a count of on duome.eu provides a more reliable, fixed measure. That said, the fact that the count in the words tab has gone up presumably means you've encountered sentences you hadn't seen before. Whether they did you any particular good or not, of course a separate question.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rut962457
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I do not trust the word list to much. It says that it was 2 years since I practiced può, hanno, posso and abbiamo. Non lo posso credere. By the way I have 3696 words.

9 months ago
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