Feature suggestion: (Always) show the gender of words
I'm studying German. When I hold my mouse over a German noun, the English translations appear, and the gender of the German noun. When I hold my mouse over an English noun, the German translations appear, but no genders. I would find it massively helpful if the genders were included next to the German nouns.
Currently, if I hold my mouse over "food", I get a drop down Essen Lebensmittel Nahrung
I would find it super helpful if I instead got a drop down Essen (GENDER: NEUTER) Lebensmittle (PLURAL) Nahrung (GENDER: FEMININE)
Ohgod that sounds AMAZING. I already struggle a lot with my brain going through periods of hating everything about the language and being unable to touch it, but having this extra little bit would help me stuff a bit more in there while I can. I would fully welcome this addition!
The word Lebensmittel is not really used in the singular form. No German would ever say "Ich kaufe ein Lebensmittel." If they really bought one grocery item, they would be more specific. Or, if they were going to be vague, they'd go for "Ich muss noch etwas kaufen."
And yes, I too am totally in favor of always including the articles with the nouns!
That is completely right in spoken German.
On the other side, one can find the use of the singular form in i.e. newspapers, non-fiction books, TV news and information etc.
Dieses Lebensmittel (singular) wurde auf Grund seiner hohen Nitratwerte verboten.
Manche Menschen vertragen ein bestimmtes Lebensmittel (singular) nicht.
But, yes, those are rather special examples and are only used in scientific/informational context.
Totally agree. When learning German it is not always about one word. The basics are gender. It is an easy start if one always remember to learn the gender too. It is not Brot. It is "Das Brot". Please, learn that, from the start. Later, everyone will meet accusative and dative, and knowing the gender of the word, will greatly improve the learning. I still do not get it (like in the language), but I know it is true.
Okay here is the declination of the article for bread: das Brot - Nominativ; des Brotes - Genitiv; dem Brot - Dativ; das Brot - Akkusativ
ein Brot - Nominativ; eines Brotes - Genitiv; einem Brot - Dativ; ein Brot - Akkusativ
die Brote - Nominativ; der Brote - Genitiv; den Broten - Dativ; die Brote - Akkusativ
I hope this is helpful
@ParPortas, either you misunderstand my request, or I misunderstand how German works. I'm requesting that Duolingo shows the gender of the word (which is constant), not the article of the word (which depends on the gender and the case).
To take an example from the video you posted:
Ich gebe dem Mann das Buch meines Vater
"Mann" is a masculine word. In this example, "Mann" is in the dative case, and so it has the article "dem". But it's still a masculine word.
Cases are precisely why I would find it so helpful if Duolingo always told me the gender of a word. Suppose Duolingo asked me to translate the following sentence from English to German:
I give my father's book to the woman.
Duolingo might suggest the following translation: Ich gebe der Frau das Buch meines Vater
It would be great that Duolingo taught me that translation, but currently, when I hold my mouse over "woman", it would only show a drop down "Frau". So in the translation, I would not be sure whether "der Frau" is a masculine word in the nominative case, or a feminine word in the dative case, or a feminine or plural word in the genitive case. If, instead, when I held my mouse over "woman", Duolingo gave a drop down "Frau (feminine)", then I would know that "der Frau" is in the dative or genetive case.
(Separately, if Duolingo also added a feature which allowed me to reveal the cases within a sentence, that would also be amazing! But I expect that would be harder to implement).
Becky, you did a good job explaining what it’s all about, gave you a lingot. I also expect Duolingo to simply display feminine, masculine or neuter together with the translation of a noun, or the article in nominative case, the basic article of each noun der, die, das, whatever they find suitable. I expect this in German stories too, would be so helpful.
Jepp. Den Thread habe ich auch in gewisser Weise falsch verstanden. Wenn nämlich in jedem Fall der generelle Artikel eingeblendet würde, hätten wir im Handumdrehen vielleicht wieder so "tolle" Sätze wie z.B.: "Die Mädchen geht zum..."oder "Sie laufen zu der Mann." Das wäre fatal. Aber die Idee von Becky112358 so wie sie es mir erklärt hat finde ich sehr gut mit dem generellen Geschlechtshinweis (beim drübergehen mit der Maus) weil da dann Verwechslungen verhindert werden.
I'm having so much trouble with German because of this. 90% of the mistakes I make are with the gender of nouns, it's really hard to just memorize every single one. I know some basic rules to determine which is which but I would really love if they could just show the gender in the first place.
Well I know German is only hard because of articles and flexions. For me as a German I often hear only mistakes like this if someone make training rounds with me. Let me help you a little:
In Germany it is allowed also in schools to use a "Duden". The Flexions and articles are often shown here:
Not including the gender in the mouse-over hint is bad enough, but including it for the English translation of a German word (even though English doesn't have gender) and not for the German translation of an English word is just sheer insanity. It forces you to either a) waste time looking up the gender on another app or website, or b) just guess. You could argue that having the gender provided so easily doesn't help you learn it, but neither do a) or b).
There are some basic rules for learning a language for every single one. In a German class, it is a must to write down nouns with their articles together into the vocabulary. Similarly, if I would held any English class, I would prohibit writing down any vocabulary without correct spelling information.
Writing something down doesn't mean you've learnt it, though. I generally write down new nouns with their articles in my German class, but I don't have that notebook on my desk when I do Duolingo at work. I have a notepad on my desk with similar notes, but moving stuff off it and finding the right page is a chore, I'm afraid, and breaks the rhythm of completing exercises.
Maybe it is not possible to do this for German completely here with Duolingo there is a bar chart you can find with google about the "vier Fälle im Deutschen" and you can use the "noun + Kasus" (Nominativ/ Genitiv/ Dativ/ Akkusativ) for researchs.
German is flexible with the articles. It is ever depending how it is possible to ask the four Questions:
1st: Who or what is.... - Nominativ 2nd: Because of what/ which is... - Genitiv 3rd: Whom - Dativ 4th: "Wen" or what... - Akkusativ
For advanced learners I recommend a book called "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod". it is a book full of humour about the dramatical daily use of the Genitiv and Dativ. There are a lot problems shown German people have too. Example:
The most German say it wrong and say:"... wegen dem Wetter ..." instead of "... wegen des Wetters ..."
Please do not give up with this lot of stuff to learn in German as a language. I can promise to you that we German all know how difficult this must be for someone who is not grown up with it. A lot of us have great respect for all who try it.
ParPortas, if DL chooses to display the article, instead of the gender, it needs to make clear that the article is in Nominative, the basic article of a noun, that you also find in dictionaries. This is not a discussion about declension (Deklination). We all know that the article changes when the noun is in a different case. As other people said before, the gender never changes, only the article is different depending on the case.
It seems that by now, all genders are removed from the app and browser, on the popups for the German and English words. Would be great if this could be added, since it really helps in understanding the rest of a sentence (which is German is heavily influenced by genders) and helps remembering the genders.
I made some screenshots to illustrate. Android app:
And the browser version:
Duolingo doesn't seem to be innovating toward making learning more efficient, as this feature would take a day to implement and has been requested for over half a dozen years as far as I could see.
Best option for us learners is to use PC and create a browser extention that does the job for Duolingo..