https://www.duolingo.com/CattleRustler

When you do a reverse tree...

Just need some clarifications on the following things...

1) To get a "reverse tree" do I just switch my language in my settings to English from Spanish?

2) Do I get presented with the option to take the proficiency test and/or start with an empty tree like you would if you created a new account?

3) What happens to my prior Spanish from English tree? Do I go back to whatever progress level I was at if I switch back?

4) Are streaks and lingots maintained separately or do your totals count toward both trees?

Thanks in advance

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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I don't recommend testing out of the early levels. There's lots of practice for the subjunctive and for commands in the early levels since the English words are the same as for present tense.

I do recommend reading the discussions. And posting comments in the discussions gives writing practice.

Here's some of the textspeak you'll see:

q = que
xq = porque
xD = this one gave me a bit of trouble until I found out it just means "crosseyed grin" xD

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rialagma
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OMG! you have a 666 strike! (that's amazing) but also terrifying

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BarbaraMorris
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Yeah, I don't usually notice the number, but it jumped out at me today. Whoooo wooooo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Hi CattleRustler,

  1. Yes

  2. Yes

  3. Yes

  4. On website streaks are not maintained separately (They used to be, now the website only uses the total streak, rather than the individual streak. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.) Here is the info I have at present: http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Streak

http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Frequently_asked_questions#How_do_I_change_what_course_I.27m_taking.3F

I hope this helps ^_^

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BugraBeyaz
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Usagiboy7

I don't know what a moderator is in this place. Are you a programmer working for Duolingo? If so why don't you guys add the reverse option for each lesson so we can learn how to form sentences in the target language.

Duolingo rarely asks us to write in the target language but it is the best way to learn the grammar. This is one of the weakest aspect of Duolingo imo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Hi BugraBeyaz, I'm not a programmer. I'm a volunteer who helps keep the forums running as smoothly as possible on a social end, making sure people follow the Guidelines. Here are two links with more information about what moderators do: 1. Who are the moderators 2. What are the moderator guidelines.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BugraBeyaz
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Is there a way to give feedback to programmers or who is responsible? I don't think such features can be implemented by course creators.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Post a discussion to the main forum (Duolingo English--for English speakers). Have a clear title that it is a suggestion.

If it is to fix a glitch, post it to the troubleshooting forum.

Staff regularly browse the forums for popular suggestions from what I've heard.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Edwardlawr6

Yeah, couldn't agree more.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CattleRustler

Thanks for the info :) I am almost done with my tree and might do a reverse one after i am done. I guess that raises a different question, if I switch (on the website) what will I be presented with on the phone app? I am assuming whatever my current tree is, but how does that affect streaks and lingots?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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English for Spanish speakers was surprisingly challenging for me once I made it a few skills in. I highly recommend it. Watch out for those object pronouns! xD

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tinnmel
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When you switch languages on any device, you switch languages on your account, so any other device you log into will also show the change. However, switching back and forth is not complicated. And your progress for spanish from english is not affected by what you do on english from spanish (and vice-versa).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CattleRustler

tks

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SIRWLT
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You still have individual streaks, at least you can see it on the iphone app, but it does not interfere with you main streak.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kat99
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I thought a "reverse tree" was just reviewing backwards up the tree that you just finished. If I am wrong then I guess I should ask those questions too!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CattleRustler

no, a reverse tree is switching to learning your native language from your target language, I just want to make sure I know how to do it and the ramifications before I do so.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bcassill

Oh, really? That's an interesting thought. I assumed, like others, that it just meant going through the course backwards.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kat99
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Ahhhh... I see

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/roosky2003

If you go into your profile, you'll find you'll be able to switch languages. Look for the bit that says (I think) "Quiero aprender ingles" or something like that in Spanish. I thought it would be dead easy, but it's actually harder than you'd thingk ! However, one advantage is, you can earn a lot of lingots quickly, so you could, for example, be doing the test certificate more often, or giving people lingots for good suggestions in the discussions.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/roxyrenders

I just gave the reverse tree a try today. I thought it might be a way to practice my Spanish learning in a different way. It is a bit different:

  1. You have four hearts instead of three

  2. It seems that the spoken exercises automatically use the slow speech setting to present the question instead of the normal speed. The Spanish tree has always spoken with the normal speed setting.

  3. Gulp - everything is in Spanish so it should help me learn additional vocabulary and practice translating. Reading the question discussions is quite challenging for me yet.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Salxandra
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  1. I believe the four hearts is standard for the first few lessons. It should switch back to 3 hearts as you progress through the English (from Spanish) tree.

  2. The seemingly slow speech is also a trait of the first few lessons. The speech speeds up farther into the tree.

  3. LOL - I learned the Spanish word for "cancel" when I clicked on it thinking it was the "post" button.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/roosky2003

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who finds the discussions really challenging ,and I am a few levels behind you! I must admit I don't read many at the moment.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bookwormsrb

so just to clarify what CattleRustler asks in question 3 I can switch between german for english speakers and english for german speakers and I won't lose my progress on either of them? Thanks

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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That is correct. It will look like you have, but it's just hiding until you return to your other course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bookwormsrb

Fantastic, not a high level but didn't want to lose all the progress I have made, thanks :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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:)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie
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A piece of advice to anyone doing the reverse tree.
Turn off your Speaker setting
This will give you two advantages. You won't have to listen to DL try to pronounce rice and you won't have to do the (pointless) listen and type (in English) exercises.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Coyote356129

Well, he asked a bunch of questions. None were answered.

My answer to all his questions is to create a new account. That's the way I was told, and it works great. I got sick of translating Spanish into English. It had gotten too easy. I wanted more questions translating my native language (English) into the language I was trying to learn (Spanish). Someone recommended flipping the tree upside down, and it's the greatest advice I ever got.

Also, do not test out. Start at the beginning, and do every single lesson. There are many new words and more complicated sentences. You'll race through about the first 20% of the tree, and then it will start to get hard.

I agree about the sound, though. Listening to them recite English sentences is annoying.

Also, what you need to do eventually is use the browser version (on your phone is fine). The browser version eliminates all the multiple choice, word scrambles, word matching, etc., and just sticks with direct translations.

You get a sentence in English. Then you get an empty box. Good luck.

Ultimately, when you can translate without any mistakes, you can experiment with different ways of saying the exact same thing. That's when it gets really exciting, and you really become next level.

But I recommend doing the app first, and then switching to the browser once you've finished the tree in the app, and are over 50% fluency (it's not necessary to be all gold at this point). Then start from the beggining on the browser version, and master that.

The reason I suggest this is that you will learn a lot on the app version, which will make the browser version less difficult. Otherwise the browser version can be overwhelming, and you'll fall into the trap of just memorizing the sentence. When what you want to do is actually translate from scratch.

I just hit 71% fluency. No BS. I swear on my kids. And I still have 23 out of 93 not gold, on the browser version, so who knows how high I can get my fluency score. Maybe the high 70's. It's important to understand that the higher you get the more difficult it is to improve. Getting from 65% to 70% takes as long as it took to get from 0% to 50%.

Think about it this way. If you had a B.S. in English, and decided to get your Master's Degree, how much more fluent would you be? The better you get, the more difficult it is to make incremental improvements. Same with a sport, or an instrument. Becoming ok isn't hard. Becoming good is.

Incidentally, even though I could make my tree all gold on the app much quicker, that would be cheating. The app basically gives you the answers to 80% of the questions. So, yes, I'd be all gold. But I wouldn't have learned a fraction as much.

Good luck. And don't stop. Mastering the upside down tree on the browser version is no small task (I haven't done it yet). But when the original tree has taught you about as much as it can, the upside down tree will take you to a whole other stratosphere. And remember. Browser version.

No hay casi nada que no puedo decir ahora. Mi español se está poniendo muy bueno.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeorgeBurns0
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I just have to disagree for one small reason about the speaker. On the english speaker questions when you type it correctly you get the translation. So going from french to english it asks for " a boy and a girl". I type it in and it tells me "translation: Un garcon et une fille (sorry i left out accents). So it is still somewhat useful. But I will point out with reverse trees I have jumped ahead a bit and done them with languages I have not fully completed in English (e.g Turkish, Russian). So everyone does it a little differently.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ellen_ofarrell
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Very useful hint but I wish it didn't also turn off all the sound effects when you do that. Even if you say sound effects on once the speaker is off the whole thing goes silent. Oh well...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LoisLawren

While turning off speaker might make doing a reverse tree more efficient nevertheless after spending six months learning Spanish and brushing up on French I was horrified to find, when I began a reverse tree in French how poor the computer-generated pronunciation and inflection were in English. Why should anyone think that the foreign language you've been modeling on Duolingo is any better?

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I rely on outside sources for training my ear. I recommend others do as well. When I use Duolingo's TTS, it isn't to help me learn pronunciation because you're right, computer generated voices aren't going to sound the same as human native speakers. :)

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E.Galey

I find Duolingo is great for grammar, but for pronunciation I listen to a podcast called podclub.ch. It's aimed at level A1-B2 learners - the French one, that is. They have other languages. The podcaster is a native Frenchwoman. As the script is available, I'm able to read out loud along with the speaker. I'm finding it very helpful.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xyzzy_j

That's interesting because I've found that Italian pronunciation is quite good, if a little bit stunted at times.

2 months ago
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