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Crowns and Lingots: Why mass these up when there's hardly a use for them?

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    Some constructive feedback on the new crown system/lingot system in general. I really like the multiple level practice indicator and the crown system. The ability to go back and focus on problem areas is very valuable. As is the increasing levels of sentence difficulty. Although it's not very clear why I should build up crowns when there's nothing to use them for.

    The lack of use for crowns is also reflected in the lingot system. I build them up and gather a massive amount and there's hardly anything to actually use them for. The most I use the Lingot for is the streak freeze but that pretty much is the only thing, and I use that rarely. Providing users more options or items to use their lingots and/or crowns for, would improve the Duolingo "game" of language learning. For instance, using lingots or crowns to "purchase" a "story" lesson, or "purchase" a listening comprehension exercise would provide incentive to practice more in order to access these higher level exercises. Otherwise, why bother. Experience is already tracked with XP points, levels, day streaks, and fluency percentages.

    If learners are to kept interested in building up lingots and crowns, use of the lingots and crowns should be made more robust and also contribute more to learning the language.

    Thanks for Duolingo's continued efforts to improve the learning experience.

    April 29, 2018

    39 Comments


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EuropeanDude

    Buying stories with lingots sounds amazing. Maybe make the first set free but the rest like 5-10 lingots per story. On the other hand courses like dutch or danish don't have stories (yet?) so that wouldn't really work.

    Another idea I have is that you could buy/open skills further down the tree even if you haven't reached them yet with the normal system. So if you really want to learn some vocabulary about politics but its waaay down the tree you can start learning it immediately.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LaurenWebb14.5

    yea that would be cool! i want to learn things without having to do some things first!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/diane59128

    totally agree


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LateBlt

    For years, there has been a general consensus on Duolingo that lingots are fairly useless given that there are only a half-dozen things in the lingot store to spend them on, and once you've bought everything, there is indeed, as you point out, no point in amassing further lingots. Duolingo themselves are aware of this thinking and seem to be in agreement with it, as they have mentioned that they plan to replace lingots with "gems" for this reason. At the moment, for reasons known only to Duolingo's developers, gems are only available on the iOS app; the Android app and the web version of the site continue to use lingots. However, gems do not seem to really be a solution in my opinion, as Duolingo is simply swapping one type of currency for another, and it seems like the other currency will have the exact same problem. This isn't a problem that we, the users, can comment on; it's something that Duolingo will need to clarify officially, and the fact that they have yet to do so speaks to their lack of both a roadmap and human resources. To be fair, I'm not criticizing Duolingo with this; it's difficult when a small company like Duolingo is faced with operating a huge website like this which serves millions upon millions of users. The Wikipedia article on Duolingo claims that Duolingo has a staff of only 95 employees, but about 200 million users. I'm inclined to believe those numbers. The challenge of making a system that works for that many users with so few workers is staggering. Anyway, to make a long story short, the answer to your titular question is: there is no reason to, people just hoard lingots and crowns compulsively like gamers who feel the need to get 100% in a video game. (Lest we forget, Duolingo is based upon the principle of "gamification".)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seattle_Scott

    If you use the iOS app, you lose health when you get questions wrong and you can buy health like you would in a first shooter video game. But on the web version of Duolingo there's really nothing to use them on, excpet to give them to people like you who asked or answered a question. I give them away a lot, but people always give them back, like sea shells at the beach.

    But I'm also confused why there are lingots and gems. There are two money systems on Duo, and they don't make sense at all.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vabelie

    Hello! I would just like to say that, as far as I know, Crowns are not to be used for anything, only to track how deep we are in each skill: some kind of intermediate graduation before the big diploma, the golden owl of conquered tree :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/benmaja

    Hi Vabelie! I think you must have quite a lot of crowns because of how hard you work - I still have your name on my following list from the time when we used to correspond, just before that facility was cancelled. It is so nice to be able to recognize how much work you do (I know I shouldn't use the discussion to say so, but these days I don't know any other way). Every day I see how much work you have done and it inspires me to try harder - many congratulations!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arminia11_web_de

    Yeah, I wish there was a way to correspond here. I ended up changing my name to an email name, so people could get in touch, minus the @ and .


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vabelie

    Oh, Benmaria, I hope this will touch you, I had a computer crash just at the time of this comment, borrowed a tablet to keep my streak alive, but couldn't get to the fora. I'm very glad to hear about you. Are you on the T site that was started by some users to replace Immersion? I'd love to resume our correspondance, you are a person of value :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/benmaja

    Hello Vabelie, it is good to hear from you! Congratulations for doing so much work on a tablet, I think it is harder! I didn't know of the T site. I have tried another translation site that someone mentioned on a discussion, but my standard wasn't good enough for that. I have been enjoying trying new languages, but I should accept that I am only ever going to be any good at French and Spanish and concentrate on them. Hope to hear that all your work is getting you good results!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/benmaja

    Vabelie, je viens de retrouver nos conversations de l’année dernière… et j’ai été tellement frappée par la conscience de combien on avait perdu après que la facilité de communiquer personellement était retirée de Duolingo! Vabelie, je prends l’idée de arminia11_web_de et vous indique mon adresse email, si vous voulez en continuer de temps en temps! andrea_baker_virginmedia_com Je ne serais pas une correspondante très fréquente (par exemple, dans les prochaines quatre semaines je serais sans accès à l’internet tous les jours), et surtout pas exigeante! mais voilà, l’adresse est là si vous voulez l’utiliser..


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Conquista_Dora

    As far as I can see there are no more fluency percentages. Even though I realize they weren't accurate, it was nice to see a progress though. I haven't experienced yet the health feature that everyone talks about, although I use Duolingo on my Iphone. What's it all about?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheHackKnight

    Yeah, I liked the fluency too—it made me feel good about how I was doing, so I wanted to work harder.

    The health is on the app, not the web.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Conquista_Dora

    I use Duolingo app on my Iphone, haven't notice so far any health feature.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mcmehrtens

    I did some research and it appears that only new accounts use the new health and gem system. It's just Duolingo testing things out. Old accounts are safe... for now.

    Check out the following link for a full discussion about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/6ewchy/new_health_system/


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GloriaAuro8

    You must be pretty good at learning, I´m always loosing because of this health thing! :(


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ally.x
    • 1739

    I would give all my lingots to be able to go to pre-crown times ;-)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/redvibe7

    Me too. The worst thing about the new system is not being able to access specific lessons - I often needed to repeat a lesson, now it is not possible.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ally.x
    • 1739

    Exactly, I would like this function back even if it gave me no XP or lingots, it was great for learning.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN
    • 1357

    Really? All of them? I am getting comfortable with the new system, finally. :-)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ally.x
    • 1739

    Yes, all 3955 lingots I have.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN
    • 1357

    I use Lingots to give away as appreciation for contributions to discussions; even when good questions are asked. The newest users can use them the most. Crowns can be used to see your progression in a quick tangible way. Which is better than the Fluency Percentage which was inaccurate anyway.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TwinPeaksOwl

    Personally, I'd rather have new options to spend lingots than have to pay for those options that are free now. But all in all I also just don't know what to spend my lingots for. I usually just give them away. But it is not enough.

    It may be a good idea for Duolingo to make the seasonal slots (the ones dedicated to various holidays) available all the time, so that you can spend your lingots on those whenever you want.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AzzyDassler

    Yeah, something like special slots with idioms in German — but in other (more obscure, I guess) lingos and for lingots. Still optional, but worthwhile.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TwinPeaksOwl

    Yes, that would be nice.

    Another idea is to allow upgrading skills in a language tree to level 5 without the necessity to go through all the endless repetitions at lower levels. It can be nice for people who have completed their tree/-s and want to practice all the skills at the highest level possible. Or it can also be useful for those who have completed the most part of their tree, for the same reasons. Each skill could cost 5-10 lingots.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN
    • 1357

    TwinPeaksOwl - Really, you are suggesting charging lingots for each skill? Why? How would that help anyone? I must be missing something, oder?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TwinPeaksOwl

    No, that's not exactly what I am suggesting. Maybe I was not clear enough. I am suggesting charging lingots for AUTOMATIC upgrade to the highest level of a skill (level 5).

    For example, let's say I have a certain skill at level 3. I would like to practice that skill at level 5, but I do not want to waste my time upgrading to that level manually through endless repetitions. Especially if the skill in question is one of the basics or if I have already completed my tree for this language. Then I just pay several lingots and - voila! The level changes from 3 to 5. I can now practice the skill at level 5 without wasting my time.

    Well, maybe not that many people would find that feature useful, but I would definitely like that.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN
    • 1357

    TwinPeaksOwl - Oh, that's very different. Thanks for explaining. So, you wouldn't charge to have access to a skill but pay to not have to do the lower level skills so that you can do the higher level skills only. Yeah, if people are willing to pay to skip skills they don't need - that makes sense to me.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lingolangs

    I prefer to keep stories free. I don't want any sort of learning materials/modules to need to be purchased in any form. I didn't like the fact the holidays/idioms/flirting needed to be purchased with lingots.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slamRN
    • 1357

    I think Duo did that just so we have a place to spend our lingots.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alison.m74

    There also seems to be less use for lingots under the new system. There used to be a test you could take, purchased with lingots which would test you on the whole language and scored out of 5. That seems to have disappeared. Also you don't seem to be able to access the individual lessons in a subject. The only option seems to be to do the next one in the sequence. I'm all for updates and improvements but a lot of the good features seem to have disappeared!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GloriaAuro8

    But... you can actually buy lessons! at least in the iPhone app, I´ve already bought the flirting one and the proverbs one!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AzzyDassler

    This is in German, right? Not available in maaaaaany other languages, unfortunately. And, as far as I remember, there are three slots and only two extra lessons.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LateBlt

    The third slot is for the "Christmas" lessons, which are only available in late December. (It is generally the case that every year, the Christmas lessons are available to buy in late December, but if you buy them, then they show up in your tree all the time.) You're right, however, that the additional lessons are usually only available in Duolingo's "original" languages, which I think are only French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Portuguese. For those learning other languages, lingots are even more useless.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LateBlt

    You can only buy three additional lessons per language, though, and they go by fairly quickly. After you've bought them, there still isn't much left to do with the lingots.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Larry380174

    Yes. Lingots and Crowns are virtually useless, however, i have noticed when you are near the bottom of the list of subjects, you have to start paying lingots to skip a level.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/diane59128

    I agree, I have an awful lot of lingots and crowns that are accumulating. I have no interest in flirting and no interest in learning idioms and proverbs when I am struggling to have a basic converstion.

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