https://www.duolingo.com/quantelf

Crowns and Lingots: Why mass these up when there's hardly a use for them?

Some constructive feedback on the new crown system/lingot system in general. I really like the multiple level practice indicator and the crown system. The ability to go back and focus on problem areas is very valuable. As is the increasing levels of sentence difficulty. Although it's not very clear why I should build up crowns when there's nothing to use them for.

The lack of use for crowns is also reflected in the lingot system. I build them up and gather a massive amount and there's hardly anything to actually use them for. The most I use the Lingot for is the streak freeze but that pretty much is the only thing, and I use that rarely. Providing users more options or items to use their lingots and/or crowns for, would improve the Duolingo "game" of language learning. For instance, using lingots or crowns to "purchase" a "story" lesson, or "purchase" a listening comprehension exercise would provide incentive to practice more in order to access these higher level exercises. Otherwise, why bother. Experience is already tracked with XP points, levels, day streaks, and fluency percentages.

If learners are to kept interested in building up lingots and crowns, use of the lingots and crowns should be made more robust and also contribute more to learning the language.

Thanks for Duolingo's continued efforts to improve the learning experience.

April 29, 2018

39 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/EuropeanDude

Buying stories with lingots sounds amazing. Maybe make the first set free but the rest like 5-10 lingots per story. On the other hand courses like dutch or danish don't have stories (yet?) so that wouldn't really work.

Another idea I have is that you could buy/open skills further down the tree even if you haven't reached them yet with the normal system. So if you really want to learn some vocabulary about politics but its waaay down the tree you can start learning it immediately.

April 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelSnowflakes

yea that would be cool! i want to learn things without having to do some things first!

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/TwinPeaksOwl

Personally, I'd rather have new options to spend lingots than have to pay for those options that are free now. But all in all I also just don't know what to spend my lingots for. I usually just give them away. But it is not enough.

It may be a good idea for Duolingo to make the seasonal slots (the ones dedicated to various holidays) available all the time, so that you can spend your lingots on those whenever you want.

April 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/AzzyDassler

Yeah, something like special slots with idioms in German — but in other (more obscure, I guess) lingos and for lingots. Still optional, but worthwhile.

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/TwinPeaksOwl

Yes, that would be nice.

Another idea is to allow upgrading skills in a language tree to level 5 without the necessity to go through all the endless repetitions at lower levels. It can be nice for people who have completed their tree/-s and want to practice all the skills at the highest level possible. Or it can also be useful for those who have completed the most part of their tree, for the same reasons. Each skill could cost 5-10 lingots.

May 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

TwinPeaksOwl - Really, you are suggesting charging lingots for each skill? Why? How would that help anyone? I must be missing something, oder?

May 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/TwinPeaksOwl

No, that's not exactly what I am suggesting. Maybe I was not clear enough. I am suggesting charging lingots for AUTOMATIC upgrade to the highest level of a skill (level 5).

For example, let's say I have a certain skill at level 3. I would like to practice that skill at level 5, but I do not want to waste my time upgrading to that level manually through endless repetitions. Especially if the skill in question is one of the basics or if I have already completed my tree for this language. Then I just pay several lingots and - voila! The level changes from 3 to 5. I can now practice the skill at level 5 without wasting my time.

Well, maybe not that many people would find that feature useful, but I would definitely like that.

May 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

TwinPeaksOwl - Oh, that's very different. Thanks for explaining. So, you wouldn't charge to have access to a skill but pay to not have to do the lower level skills so that you can do the higher level skills only. Yeah, if people are willing to pay to skip skills they don't need - that makes sense to me.

May 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LateBlt

For years, there has been a general consensus on Duolingo that lingots are fairly useless given that there are only a half-dozen things in the lingot store to spend them on, and once you've bought everything, there is indeed, as you point out, no point in amassing further lingots. Duolingo themselves are aware of this thinking and seem to be in agreement with it, as they have mentioned that they plan to replace lingots with "gems" for this reason. At the moment, for reasons known only to Duolingo's developers, gems are only available on the iOS app; the Android app and the web version of the site continue to use lingots. However, gems do not seem to really be a solution in my opinion, as Duolingo is simply swapping one type of currency for another, and it seems like the other currency will have the exact same problem. This isn't a problem that we, the users, can comment on; it's something that Duolingo will need to clarify officially, and the fact that they have yet to do so speaks to their lack of both a roadmap and human resources. To be fair, I'm not criticizing Duolingo with this; it's difficult when a small company like Duolingo is faced with operating a huge website like this which serves millions upon millions of users. The Wikipedia article on Duolingo claims that Duolingo has a staff of only 95 employees, but about 200 million users. I'm inclined to believe those numbers. The challenge of making a system that works for that many users with so few workers is staggering. Anyway, to make a long story short, the answer to your titular question is: there is no reason to, people just hoard lingots and crowns compulsively like gamers who feel the need to get 100% in a video game. (Lest we forget, Duolingo is based upon the principle of "gamification".)

May 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Seattle_scott

If you use the iOS app, you lose health when you get questions wrong and you can buy health like you would in a first shooter video game. But on the web version of Duolingo there's really nothing to use them on, excpet to give them to people like you who asked or answered a question. I give them away a lot, but people always give them back, like sea shells at the beach.

But I'm also confused why there are lingots and gems. There are two money systems on Duo, and they don't make sense at all.

April 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

Hello! I would just like to say that, as far as I know, Crowns are not to be used for anything, only to track how deep we are in each skill: some kind of intermediate graduation before the big diploma, the golden owl of conquered tree :)

May 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/benmaja

Hi Vabelie! I think you must have quite a lot of crowns because of how hard you work - I still have your name on my following list from the time when we used to correspond, just before that facility was cancelled. It is so nice to be able to recognize how much work you do (I know I shouldn't use the discussion to say so, but these days I don't know any other way). Every day I see how much work you have done and it inspires me to try harder - many congratulations!

May 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/arminia11_web_de

Yeah, I wish there was a way to correspond here. I ended up changing my name to an email name, so people could get in touch, minus the @ and .

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

Oh, Benmaria, I hope this will touch you, I had a computer crash just at the time of this comment, borrowed a tablet to keep my streak alive, but couldn't get to the fora. I'm very glad to hear about you. Are you on the T site that was started by some users to replace Immersion? I'd love to resume our correspondance, you are a person of value :)

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/benmaja

Hello Vabelie, it is good to hear from you! Congratulations for doing so much work on a tablet, I think it is harder! I didn't know of the T site. I have tried another translation site that someone mentioned on a discussion, but my standard wasn't good enough for that. I have been enjoying trying new languages, but I should accept that I am only ever going to be any good at French and Spanish and concentrate on them. Hope to hear that all your work is getting you good results!

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/benmaja

Vabelie, je viens de retrouver nos conversations de l’année dernière… et j’ai été tellement frappée par la conscience de combien on avait perdu après que la facilité de communiquer personellement était retirée de Duolingo! Vabelie, je prends l’idée de arminia11_web_de et vous indique mon adresse email, si vous voulez en continuer de temps en temps! andrea_baker_virginmedia_com Je ne serais pas une correspondante très fréquente (par exemple, dans les prochaines quatre semaines je serais sans accès à l’internet tous les jours), et surtout pas exigeante! mais voilà, l’adresse est là si vous voulez l’utiliser..

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Conquista_Dora

As far as I can see there are no more fluency percentages. Even though I realize they weren't accurate, it was nice to see a progress though. I haven't experienced yet the health feature that everyone talks about, although I use Duolingo on my Iphone. What's it all about?

April 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/TheHackKnight

Yeah, I liked the fluency too—it made me feel good about how I was doing, so I wanted to work harder.

The health is on the app, not the web.

April 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Conquista_Dora

I use Duolingo app on my Iphone, haven't notice so far any health feature.

April 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mattkx9

I did some research and it appears that only new accounts use the new health and gem system. It's just Duolingo testing things out. Old accounts are safe... for now.

Check out the following link for a full discussion about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/6ewchy/new_health_system/

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Conquista_Dora

Thank you!

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/GloriaAuro8

You must be pretty good at learning, I´m always loosing because of this health thing! :(

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ally.x
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I would give all my lingots to be able to go to pre-crown times ;-)

May 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/redvibe7

Me too. The worst thing about the new system is not being able to access specific lessons - I often needed to repeat a lesson, now it is not possible.

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ally.x
  • 1161

Exactly, I would like this function back even if it gave me no XP or lingots, it was great for learning.

May 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Really? All of them? I am getting comfortable with the new system, finally. :-)

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ally.x
  • 1161

Yes, all 3955 lingots I have.

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

:-0

May 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I use Lingots to give away as appreciation for contributions to discussions; even when good questions are asked. The newest users can use them the most. Crowns can be used to see your progression in a quick tangible way. Which is better than the Fluency Percentage which was inaccurate anyway.

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/lingolangs

I prefer to keep stories free. I don't want any sort of learning materials/modules to need to be purchased in any form. I didn't like the fact the holidays/idioms/flirting needed to be purchased with lingots.

May 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I think Duo did that just so we have a place to spend our lingots.

May 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

there's a hall of fame on duolingo.eu

April 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/BashirAbde1

Dude how much time did you spend on duo lingo ???? Omg you have done something like 7 - 12 languages ?? That is a lottt

May 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Alison.m74

There also seems to be less use for lingots under the new system. There used to be a test you could take, purchased with lingots which would test you on the whole language and scored out of 5. That seems to have disappeared. Also you don't seem to be able to access the individual lessons in a subject. The only option seems to be to do the next one in the sequence. I'm all for updates and improvements but a lot of the good features seem to have disappeared!

May 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/GloriaAuro8

But... you can actually buy lessons! at least in the iPhone app, I´ve already bought the flirting one and the proverbs one!

May 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/AzzyDassler

This is in German, right? Not available in maaaaaany other languages, unfortunately. And, as far as I remember, there are three slots and only two extra lessons.

May 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LateBlt

The third slot is for the "Christmas" lessons, which are only available in late December. (It is generally the case that every year, the Christmas lessons are available to buy in late December, but if you buy them, then they show up in your tree all the time.) You're right, however, that the additional lessons are usually only available in Duolingo's "original" languages, which I think are only French, Spanish, German, Italian, and Portuguese. For those learning other languages, lingots are even more useless.

May 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LateBlt

You can only buy three additional lessons per language, though, and they go by fairly quickly. After you've bought them, there still isn't much left to do with the lingots.

May 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Larry380174

Yes. Lingots and Crowns are virtually useless, however, i have noticed when you are near the bottom of the list of subjects, you have to start paying lingots to skip a level.

February 14, 2019
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