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Crowns - Not broken; Does work with Directed Repetition and Overdue Word List

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Update: I was mistaken in my complaints. When I was looking to find the verb "to pay" and didn't see it in Spanish > Verbs - Present 1 > in Levels 2, 3, 4. I jumped to the wrong conclusion that the new system of Crowns was not going to let me practice at least some of the overdue words like in the old system. Others in this discussion have gently and kindly shown me the "errors of my ways". Plus in my distressed state, I "forgot" that even in my old, beloved Golden system, the Overdue Words list was not always as accurate as it could have been, so this is also not a problem with the new Crown Level system. So my humble apologies to the Duolingo community for bringing a half-baked complaint when it was just my ignorance. :-) I don't know how to remove this discussion. But, I shouldn't anyway, because, just in case someone else comes to faulty conclusions about Crowns and the Overdue Words list, the kind folks here, that came to my aid have given me and I hope you some great resources and tools to enhance the Duolingo experience. Thanks! Mary Ellen

4 months ago

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Update: I was mistaken about Crowns and Overdue Words List. Thank you all for kindly and gently setting me straight about this!

4 months ago

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i haven't been doing much spanish since the crowns but i had a russian tree that I kept golden at level 25 for a long time and never really saw much new material in the leaves I had to regild.

Now with the crowns system I am going back and bringing up topics with the least Crowns and there is a wealth of new information.

I suppose it depends on the developers of each course and how much time they spend improving and extending their work

4 months ago

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Good to know. I am going to be studying Russian. :-)

4 months ago

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That is great! Russian is so much fun. I think you are really going to enjoy it. The course is really deep with science, law, business, politics, art....

There is a DuoLingo Russian full Voiced Course that ShadyArc, one of the developers of the DuoLingo Russian course, does audio for. It is crystal clear and amazing.

4 months ago

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Wow, that is great! Thanks for the links! I will use them!

4 months ago

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I'm not sure why you're not seeing any conjugation of pagar. It is curious. I went to level 5 with Present 1 In the regular Spanish tree. Although I'm not sure how many times I saw pagar, I did see it at least once. In the reverse course, I saw pagar several times:

  • Level 2 - ella le paga el niño, Le pagan, él paga por la hotel, Le pago

  • Level 3 - ella paga al niño, pago, usted paga, ella paga

Note: I updated this to distinguish the info from the reverse course as compared to the Spanish tree itself.

4 months ago

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Update: Thank you for that. I will go back and check with my volumes of Language documents I have created to "Find" pago, etc. I also write down my Lesson sentences, but, lately, I have not had time so I just am writing the Lesson sentences that I get wrong.

4 months ago

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I don't think that the underlying system that updates "overdue" has changed. From what I can recall, the connection between the words you might see in a particular lesson and the words that are listed as overdue in the words tab has never been as strong as it should be.

I found this comment from a few years ago "Weak lexemes selected for practice by skill using an aggregated score. Specific words chose to practice that lexeme are seemingly left to random chance. Word forms with more practice sentences come up for review more often, as a result some word forms go unpracticed for long periods of time."

This used to really bother me, but I ultimately decided to not worry about it. At a certain point, I started practicing words outside of Duolingo by reading, watching TV, listening to the radio, and speaking to people in Spanish.

So, if I don't happen to practice a particular word in Duolingo then it's not a tragedy for me. Duolingo also has no idea what I'm doing outside the confines of their software, so they might think I might need to practice madre and padre but I really, really don't.

4 months ago

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Yes, elizadeux, I did get worked up and I should not have. You are right, like you, I also use other apps like Memrise and youtube language videos and other websites I find on Google Search to help practice including practicing Overdue words. I now remember that even with the old Golden system, I did practice Overdue words and that sometimes if I checked, they were not removed immediately or maybe not at all from the Overdue list. So, I stand corrected. It is not dangerous, it was just distressing at the time. :-)

4 months ago

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You can still see the spaced repetition and faded percentage at https://duome.eu/MaryEllen246097/progress

This is created by a user for the Streak Hall of fame and you can practice using the dumbells and the tips here include a list of words per skill, though it is probably not complete. Anyone else just insert your username instead.

4 months ago

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Wow! I did not know that! I just found out about Duolingo last Sept. And there is so much for me to learn! I love Duolingo and am always prompting it to everyone on Facebook and everyone I meet. Thanks!

4 months ago

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I read that they are still working on an improved SRS.

I really like DuoLingo but using Memrise as a companion tool is the way to go. It is excellent, especially in the SRS and ability to review. Lots of audio too.

They have a Memrise Duolingo Spanish Vocabulary course that is excellent.

Here is another Memrise DuoLingo Spanish Course

4 months ago

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Thanks! I will use what you have suggested. Plus I do have the Overdue list which I will be able to use other apps to help me, such as Memrise, etc.

4 months ago

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Mary Ellen - I've been using Duolingo for a few years, the spaced repetition in the old system often didn't show you overdue words for months or even years. It was almost impossible to target specific words. Sometimes, you could figure out which lesson a particular word was in and then redo that lesson, but even that didn't always work either.

My guess is that you'd be more likely to encounter more words repeatedly now if you do all the levels just because of the sheer amount of repetition.

4 months ago

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Thanks, yes, that is what I am hoping for to get more verbs. Perhaps I was overstating a problem. I could have overlooked verb usage, I will go back to my Spanish Lessons documents I have created. I guess I just had overly, high expectations for Verbs - Present 1 - Levels 2, 3, and 4. :-) Yes, you are right, now that I think about it. Even the old Golden system Overdue feature would sometimes not give me credit for studying a verb that I knew I had just studied. LOL

4 months ago