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With the new Crown System, and spending hours at it, it seems I'll need 100 years to reach Level 5.

May 7, 2018



My Spanish tree has 500 lessons in 108 skills. (I'm testing the new Spanish tree, so you may have fewer lessons and skills in your Spanish course.) If a skill that has N lessons takes N x 12 finished lessons to get 5 crowns for that skill, then the entire tree would take 500 * 12 = 6000 finished lessons.

At 6 lessons per day, it would take 6000/6 = 1000 days, or a little less than 3 years, to get all 108 * 5 = 540 crowns starting from nothing.

Since you are already at level 23 in Spanish, you probably already have 200 or so crowns, so it will take less. If you're at level 2 for everything, and have 108 * 2 = 216 crowns, you already have credit for 500 * 2 = 1000 finished lessons, so it would take about 1000/6 = 167 days = 5.4 months less.

It's by design that it takes so long to get all the crowns. Since you're at level 23 now, you've probably been in a boring rut of review for quite a while. Now you have a new long-term challenge.


So the new tree is linear? The same number of lessons for each skill? 6000 finished lessons is 60,000XP! That will put you at what you achieved to get BOTH of your Level 25 achievements.


It's not linear; it's a Fibonacci sequence: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5. See "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number".

If you did each lesson exactly once, you'd get from nothing to 1 crown per skill. If you did each lesson one more time, you'd get from 1 to 2 crowns per skill. Then it takes 2 more times per lesson to get from 2 to 3, 3 more times to get from 3 to 4 and finally 5 more times to get from 4 to 5.


How did you notice the Fibonacci sequence in DL? I see it all the time in nature. Are you a teacher or savant?


I'm a computer programmer, so I have some mathematical training.


No, there are not the same number of lessons per skill. I think LeeBrownst1 was simplifying so as not to get unduly bogged down in details.


Skills don't all have the same number of lessons. Some skills have 1 lesson and some have 10. For my Spanish tree, they have on average 500 lessons / 108 skills, which is a little less than 5 lessons per skill.


I'm hoping that this will be coming to the rest of us very soon. I've been waiting for years.


I agree. The crown system has messed things up royally.


Gatiquo, I don't think any of us has stated that anything is messed up. We are discussing the new reality.


Dear God, May I live long enough to reach level 5 in every skill on Duolingo. Amen.


I think that is a gross exageration and it is not necessesary to reach level 5 in every skill.


I think it could be done in less than a decade, tbh. I already have several units at level 5 but I'm aiming for lower fruit (level 4 ,3 or 2 depending on the tree).


You don't have to do it, so you know.


(Gasp!) Really?


Hahaha, Brad.

BUT OMG, IT'S RUBYGOOBY, I gave you Lingots on your discussion post btw. ;) Awhhh, yeh.


All the more reason to practice more often, and get even faster at completing them. . . amiright? ;-)


I am shooting for Level 25. I don’t think all Level 5’s are in my future.


Good luck on your journey. :D <3


I'm getting all skills on my trees to level one and then will go back and work on getting everything to level two, and so on...that way you keep the variety of something new every time.


I love the crown system, but I am definitely not a perfectionist. I could see how it would irritate people if they've got a few obsessive tendencies. I am trying to turn them gold one at a time, but I'll settle for them at least being all level 2, then all level 3, etc...


just don't give up


I think I spend too much time reading people's discussion boards and not studying the tree. :)


Here’s a lingot for the simple truth.


A very funny observation, thanks. But the crowns "improvement" issue seems to have rattled a lot of cages. And different issues with different platforms. I guess the different teams need similar targets for different levels, but that seems not to be the case (from the discussion boards I am idly looking at)


My answer here https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27210399

Tagchen Walter,

Du scheinst Dich auf die Skills weiter oben im Baum zu fokussieren.

The better strategy might be to work from back to top and strictly focus on the 17-20 quite difficult grammar skills called "Verbs:" (maybe leaving out Present1-2).

This is the strategy which I will be using for my own for my EN-PT (forward) tree.

What do you and others think?

Do you do the SP-DE reverse tree?


Thomas - I have also focused on the verb skills in the SP-EN course and found it to be very productive. I am still hoping for a test-out option but at my level there is still much to learn by using the system you mention.


I don't like the crown system


It's beyond terrible. But I uses duome.eu to mimic the old system and i've been happy there just completely ignoring the crowns altogether.

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