I finally reached level 25 in Japanese!
I finally reached the top level! I just had to tell someone!
Congratulations! Have a lingot. I think this might be the first Japanese 25 I've seen. How long did it take you?
Whew! Sounds about right, though. I flew through Esperanto and French, but between the crowns and the accents I've slowed to a crawl in everything else.
It was very hard for me to get to that place where the mind starts thinking a little bit in Japanese. Only in the last few months. And, for the last few years, I’ve watched a ton of Japanese TV, movies and listened to Japanese music, too. It’s so completely different from English, but I’m just trying to power through on my own.
For music, I mostly like songs and artists I have found through shows and movies. I also search on iTunes for Japanese artists. Some of my favorites are Yui, Fuyu, Younha (who is actually Korean, but sings in Japanese, too), Bunny the Party, Puffy, nano.RIPE, Leola, and The Brilliant Green, to name just a few. That covers a range of styles, too.
you have very hight level in all languages, du hast ein sehr hohes level überall, tienes muy buen nivel en todos los idiomas, felicidades!, congrats!, glückwunsch!, おめでとう
Just... how many languages do YOU speak?? You're amazing too!! Here, a lingot to you too! ps: is that luka crosszeria?
Congrats! I just started focusing on my Japanese - I hope to get there one day as well!
So tell me, will the questions continue to tirelessly repeat for every lesson until level 25 as they are doing until now? Because if yes, I'm giving up this app for now. It's exhausting and no fun at all.
The questions do repeat tirelessly. But it was kind of like “Wax on. Wax off.” in The Karate Kid. By the time I finished, the responses were ingrained in memory and reflexive. And I developed greater intuition about grammar and structure.
Now, as I approach the last few categories to turn my tree gold again under the crown system (three left!!), I find myself able to correctly answer even those questions I’ve never seen before. So please don’t quit, the repetition may be the key to actually learning.
As Mr. Miyagi says, “No try. Do.”
Yea, you might have a point there. I guess I'll "do" then. Thanks for the pep talk, ベストキッド!
Getting the tree golden and reaching level 25 is for now my only motivation to continue enduring the repetition. ;)
おめでとう! Congratulations! I reached level 10 today. Have you used any other resources, or did you start japanese from scratch on Duolingo?
Thank you, my English is not good, but i'm trying to learn it and Japanese, i wish could study everyday like you.I like Japan too
Does it get really hard as you get harder in levels? I'm just doing japanese for fun so I dont know
I thought it was hard the whole time! But I had fun all the way through. It did not get so hard that I felt discouraged. You should keep going!
The one part that confused me a lot was learning that "ki" (from "kiru": to wear) is for things you wear above the waist, and "haki" is for things you wear below the waist.
I am still using it every day, even though I reached level 25.
Ah I see. I'm fluent in Japanese so thats why I'm doing it for fun. //Japanese is my first language
Japanese actually has a lot of words for "wear"
If you wear glasses, it would be "メガネをかける". If you wear a ring, it would be "指輪をつける"。For a necklace, it would be "ネックレスをする"。If you wear a hat, it would be "帽子をかぶる"
Do (did) you learn japanese only here? What level of this language can DuoLingo give? (i mean, N5, or, maybe, N4)
congrats mate! have a lingot, one question, was it only this app you used or did you use other means aswell?
i only ask because i am trying to learn myself and i am slowly getting the hang of the basics of hiragana and have no idea how that translates into actual conversations or even sentences yet, i am a slow learner but want to learn as much as i can.
Before Duolingo, I picked up a textbook and I tried a few websites, but they weren't very engaging. I learned hiragana and katakana using some online flashcards. I watched a lot of Japanese TV and movies (and still do), during which I would look up and save interesting words and phrases. And I bought a CD-based language program that I still listen to in the car.
It wasn't until I started Duolingo that my learning really began to take shape. It kept me engaged and set goals for me, so I kept doing it--and I still keep doing it.
The grammar and such in the textbook -- I could understand it at face value, but one has to use it to really learn it. Duolingo made that possible for me in a very specific way. Let me try to explain how I think it worked for me...
Duolingo would present me with a sentence pattern and drill it into me with accompanying vocabulary words. Then it would present variations that would force me to make errors. From there I would have to figure out what was different and how to fix it through trial and error. Inevitably, I would figure it out and the process would repeat itself.
It feels very much to me like the way a child acquires language. My ex-wife and I adopted our son, Matthew, from Hong Kong when he was 2-1/2 years old. It was fascinating to watch him learn English by copying his older sister. He would sometimes apply Chinese grammatical patterns with interesting effect. Then he started getting it right. And then he exploded into perfect age-appropriate English within a few months. All by trial and error.
In a similar way, I learned some words, I tried to put them into sentences using English patterns, I would compare them to the correct answers, I would rearrange them until it worked. Then I would try to memorize the new pattern. Then I would be confronted with new rules and new patterns that built upon previously acquired patterns.
To me, it is like doing puzzles.
I am no linguist, however. So if there is a real linguist reading this who would like to explain how it really works, I'd love to learn more about it.
Thanks for the Lingot, Martin! And keep at it. Japanese is hard -- until it isn't. Only recently is it starting to become easier. I'm starting to reply to my Japanese pen pal with less effort these days. Words and phrases are now in my brain where I can retrieve them, which surprises the sh*t out of me, really. It's starting to happen and I'm really excited about it. You just gotta put in the time.
P.S: BTW, I created a few decks in Tinycards that I use a lot, too. Search for my username, Saiga60, if you'd like to try them. And if you notice any mistakes in them, please let me know. I'll fix them right away. I've been hoping that more people will find them and use them.
thats great help bud, i will look up your flash cards once i finish learning the very basics (crawl before you walk type thing lol).
i will have to try chatting someone in japanese, i dont currently anyone to speak to, to help me along.
i knew it would be a slow and steady process, i just hope to pick up a feew tricks along the way.
The question was not directed at me, of course, but I feel I can offer some suggestions until Saiga60 replies. :)
I learned hiragana and katakana before Duolingo's course came out. I used a flashcard system to do that and also created stories to help remember. For example, か looks to me like a person leaning forward and doing a KArate chop. に looks like a person's legs, with one knee (ni) bent. く makes me think of Cookie Monster about to eat a cookie (ku). Etc. For me, I could only learn these through a lot of repetition. Because I already knew those going in, I could never accurately evaluate the beginning of the tree. I know there are TinyCards decks, if you prefer a flash card approach, as well as many other fine resources.
I love, love, love Duolingo's course, and it has helped me SO much. It is designed to get you to a JLPT5 level (think: basic communication), so there is not much kanji involved. That is not Duolingo's fault, per se. This is in line with international standards. But it can make things both easier and harder to read, for various reasons. I think Duolingo's course gives you a great foundation, and the repetition will help you see patterns in the grammar and particles, etc. It's a solid start, and if you can get through everything and understand it, you'll be well on your way to being able to learn through other methods if you want to extend your knowledge.
I have studied kanji separately (especially using Anki and WaniKani), and I've found that even if I can't remember the pronunciation, I can remember the meaning of many of them, so I might not be able to read a sentence out loud, but I can comprehend more of it, as most Japanese is written with a mixture.
In general, if there is a kanji, it will be used because 1. It's like writing shorthand (especially in the digital era) and 2. There are so many homophones (words that sound alike).
I'm sure there are even more reasons than I am aware of, as I'm by no means an expert.
I hope this helped answer your questions a little. I'd love to see what Saiga60 has to say!
hey there, yeah i use a similar system, か looks like a broken k in pain so it would say AAA=ka i know seems silly but it is helping so far.
the thing i am struggling to understand right now is understanding how the different types of Japanese fit together and how do you know when to use which one at which point, but i will get there...hopefully lol.
Ahh, yeah. That's tricky at first, but then it starts to make sense. Katakana is mostly for foreign loan words and onamonapia. Kanji is used for most vocab, I would say, though I'm still fuzzy on that. Hiragana is used for particles, some words as a general practice, and also word endings/suffixes, etc. The kanji have multiple pronunciations, and I believe you can possibly tell which is onyomi vs kunyomi based on whether or not there are obligatory (?) hiragana attached to it, but I can't remember at the moment. Lol I know just enough to know there's so much that I don't know! But it's all starting to make sense. Slowly. Very slowly. Also, I like your "broken k"!
おめでとう!!! How much do you think you have learned? Enough to carry on a general conversation? Do you plan on taking on the reverse Jap tree, maybe? :D
I am meeting my Japanese pen pal (girlfriend, I'm pretty sure, I think, hopefully, maybe) in Seattle next month. I'll let you know, then, if I can carry on a decent conversation. I fear I'm still a little shallow in the vocabulary department. But what I do know I can say really quickly, now. So that's good.
I might try the reverse tree, too! That's a good idea.
Congrats! That had to take some time. I plan on getting there myself if that's the finish line.
Hey omedetou, do you have any pieces of advice to help me with Japanese I'm just starting and I have trouble reading :/ Also what YouTube channels/podcasts/music bands/series/movies do you watch and listen to? Thanks
Hi. My advice is to watch a lot of Japanese TV and movies. And find a pen pal.
I like The Brilliant Green, Bunny the Party, Yui, and a bunch more. I'm not up on the most current bands in Japan because I learn mostly from movies and TV.
I only explore YouTube every once in a while, so I don't have a lot of recommendations for channels, etc.
I am watching the J-dramas Segodon and Minshuu no Teki right now. I really like historical J-dramas a lot (and I'm a sucker for Korean romance dramas). Taiga dramas and asadora are always awesome. Beppin-san and Onna Joshu Naotora are great. My tastes might be different because I'm a little older.
Loved the Japanese movie Fune wo Amu (a great anime, too). And because I'm a single father, I really liked Usagi Drop (also a great anime).
I've drifted away from anime, lately. But I've watched a ton of them.
congratulations! it's a short tree, but a fun and exciting one!! my dog sells hats... anyway, i'm glad for you! but it's only the beginning in a very hard language. you have 2000 kanji to look forward to :/ here's to hoping you get level 25 on spanish and korean as well! and level 25 doesn't mean it ends here. when i got it i felt like i had nothing left to achieve but there's always revision to be done and now we have crowns to motivate us ^^ but i was two weeks short of receiving them... :( good luck on your language learning journey :-)
Congratulations. It's inspiring to see people here that enjoy the Japanese course. It's good to see the positive feedback. It's a reminder that despite the errors and it still being in beta, that it's helpful to people.
Sounds like you and zanzaboonda are both doing it right, using other references as well as Duolingo. Ultimately you need to use various resources to learn.
I can't comment on the effectiveness of the Japanese course because I'm a long time speaker and lived there for years, but it's been hugely helpful for me with Spanish and German. Those languages too I've supplemented with books, flash cards, youtube etc.
Good work on making it to level 25.
Congratulations! That's a huge accomplishment! How many XP did you aim for a day in Japanese?
Is there something you used to help you say all the characters together, because i know all the sounds of hiragana but its hard for me to piece them together right now
Congratulations you and don't forget to reach level in another language
Congrats again! Out of curiosity, what platform were you using? Level-up notifications and accompanying lingots have gone missing for many of us.
Muchas gracias. It took almost a year.
I work from home, so I use Duolingo as my procrastination habit. I usually do a couple of hours a day. That's probably overkill for most people. I watch a lot of Japanese movies and TV and listen to Japanese music, as well, to get my ear tuned to the language.
I also joined one of Duolingo's Japanese clubs. I like the little exercises and the competition to get the most XP each week.
I keep a Japanese language course in the CD player in my car. So whenever I'm driving (by myself) I listen to the lessons.
Finally, I have a Japanese pen pal, but she is so good with English it makes me lazy when I talk to her. But we do chat in Japanese more often, lately, because I'm getting better. She visited me last year, and we're going to meet in Seattle next month. Maybe I'll impress her this time!
Is this course any good? When it came out I found many errors or weird translations that doesn't make any sense to say to my Japanese friends or my family, and how does it compare with Lingodeer and Drops?
Thanks for the answer and congrats! :)
Wonderful! How many Kanji have you learned? I've been wanting to go back to studying Kanji, but it was very tedious for me.
I've probably learned about 800 so far. Familiar with maybe 1000. I keep drilling myself. I'm learning about the radicals, too (individual elements of kanji).
Since I have a Roman alphabet brain, I find it fascinating that I can understand some words and sentences but not know how to say them -- because I recognize the kanji but forget how to pronounce them. Not used to separating meaning from sound.
Congrat Saiga60, I started learn 5 days ago and my journey still long way to go.
CONGRATULATIONS!!! I want to ask.. did the Duolingo really helps you in learning Japanese even the kanji???