Klingon & pronunciation?
I’m currently learning Klingon and High Valyrian and spanish,but I struggle with the pronunciation for both fictional languages but mainly Klingon,anyone else? I do hope they end up putting a speaker for those languages,because you can never learn something if you have no idea how to say it.
Hear the pronunciation of each sound here: https://www.kli.org/about-klingon/sounds-of-klingon/
You can type any Klingon sentence here and it'll read it aloud for you. It's stitched together from recordings of someone speaking each possible syllable of Klingon so it sounds a little disjointed, but it's essentially correct. https://hol.kag.org/page/sentenceplayer.html
They are working on it, I'm pretty sure. Meanwhile, look it up on youtube. Klingon pronounciation is pretty awkward, but very regular. There are not many sounds, and words are pronounced exactly as they are written - i.e. all you have to do is find out which sound goes with each letter.
I also think they need to teach Klingon better. Right now they teach it like any other language even if it's much more complicated, so it is very hard to learn.
Klingon is not much more complicated than other languages. It might be very different than the languages you're familiar with, but it's not actually all that hard. Once you get used to it, when you compare it with other languages, it seems downright simple. Word order is very regular; suffix order is very regular, and root words don't change form when you inflect them.
Just keep at it, and you'll hit that moment of breakthrough when you say, "Oh, I get it now!"
True, and being a constructed language (conlang), it is not thoroughly infused with irregularities and exceptions to different rules, as most real languages are. I mean, Klingon was developed by one person, over a relatively short span of time; other languages have been developed by millions of people, over many thousand years. Klingon cannot possibly be more complicated, only different.
And remember also, that all of the phonology and grammar in Klingon, exists in real languages. It's just the combination of sounds and grammar rules that is unique to Klingon.
When I look back at it, Klingon just looks complicated. To be honest, it's really just similar to Japanese, in which grammar is different. Thanks for telling me.
I understand exactly what you are saying, but for anyone else that comes across this comment I want to clarify. Klingon is very different from Japanese. It is possible to find some similarities, but they are limited. It is also possible to point out similarities to English, Spanish, Russian, Hindi, Cherokee, etc. It is most like Japanese in that it is very different than English and you have to learn a whole new way of using words and putting them together. As an English speaker, learning Spanish or German is not so different and so doesn't seem as complicated.
Make sure to read the Tips & Notes. You can find them by clicking on a Skill and then clicking on the light bulb instead of the start button. We have included a lot more info in the Tips & Notes than many other languages do exactly because Klingon is so different than many of the other languages you may be familiar with. Once you become familiar with Klingons patters you will find it is not so complicated and not all that hard. It's just different in ways that mean you have to learn to think in new patterns and that can be very challenging at first.
Yes, Klingon is ridiculously hard, mainly on purpose. After all, it is the language of an alien race.
You can watch a very interesting video here, where the creator of the language talks about some of the sounds and grammar, and the thinking behind it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Did-eVQDc
It is not intended to be difficult, just different. Now, I'm not very familiar with Star Trek, but I believe the language is supposed to reflect the culture and mindset of the Klingon race, and thus be very straightforward and pragmatic.
If Marc Okrand intended Klingon to be hard, he did a pretty sloppy job with it. You know, it could have a colossal, chinese-like script system, a vastness of noun genders and cases, a very high amount of verb tenses, aspects and modes, a highly fusional instead of agglutinative morphology, an exuberant phonology with minute differences between several of the sounds, tonality, and an infinite amount of irregularities and exceptions to rules, among many other features that usually make languages challenging to english learners. But it doesn't. On purpose.
Very good list of things that could be in Klingon but aren't. A lingot for you.
I wish people would stop saying that Klingon is ridiculously hard. Give me a good reason why you think it's hard.
From my perspective as an individual who has never learned any other language at all - it was hard in the beginning. It felt so unnatural for obvious reasons. I did have an "ah-ha" moment that has helped a lot, I don't feel so lost anymore, but I have a long way to go.
I can point to a number of reasons why beginning to learn Klingon is very hard, especially for English speakers. Without a doubt there are some difficult barriers that need to be surpassed at the beginning stages of learning. I think when beginners say that "Klingon is hard", they intend to refer to the whole language, but they are mistaken and basing that opinion on limited experience. Yes. Learning to do something differently is hard. But once you have learned to do it, it becomes much easier. Klingon is not a hard language. Starting to learn Klingon is hard. The initial stages of Klingon are hard. Once you get past those beginners' barriers it becomes much easier. It's a hard language to learn. It's an easy language to use.
One of the things that may be hampering beginners is the almost total lack of cognates between Klingon and English vocabulary. Those who've been around Klingon before know that there are puns, jokes and stories to help with the memorization, but beginners don't. I recommend this page:
Thank you, I'd never come across such a good list of the puns in Klingon before. Only found them by luck before.
Right. "Learning a new language is hard." Not "Klingon is hard."
But that's not what people mean when they say "Klingon is hard." I was replying to "Klingon is ridiculously hard, mainly on purpose. After all, it is the language of an alien race." That is, compared to natural languages of Earth, Klingon is ridiculously hard, because it was made so to make it utterly alien. This simply isn't true. There are some concepts that are very hard for a native English speaker to understand (aspect without tense!) but that's an English bias, not a sign that Klingon is hard, and not a sign of alienness.