https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

Still hating this Crown update

I miss having the timer and golden subjects, granted i think after a certain point it should remain golden (like basics when you've finished the course and you're now practicing). I have no clue what i need to work on in Swedish and why do i need to practice a topic NINE TIMES in order to get a new crown?

May 14, 2018

40 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Chrissy2136

Exactly! My OCD makes me have to always have one gold before moving onto the next one. I did one in French and it was literally 72 long! 72! That's absolutely insane!

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/TheKingGeorge11

Me too so I just reset my tree and started over. Aiming for crown level 1 on all and then maybe 2 or 3

May 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/EvelynOlson0

Yeah. I used to take pride on keeping my tree gold, and knowing what to work on kept me motivated. Now, I'm just confused and unmotivated.

May 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Inhumator

I feel the same. I used to not move on until my entire tree was golden. Now because of lack of motivation I lost my streak and barely even touch duolingo now. I hope they see the statistics and make some changes.

May 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

My stats are doing something like twice the number of skills now than before.

May 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

Its even worst on mobile, you have lives even on completed skills so if you try to practice on mobile you have to work more if you want to do a mix of review and learning.

May 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/xunicxrnsx

I completely agree, its kind of annoying to have to repeat a topic 10+ times before getting a new crown. I find that the practice button helps with what needs to be worked on. If you reach level five on a topic and it has turned gold, you can click on it and it will bring up a practice session for that specific topic which lets you practice your weakest words or things you need to work on.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

They are good observations xunicxrnsx :)
You may also like to read With Crowns, what does the “practice” button do? It has some comments about how practice works, and also talks about the future.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/PotatoSanta

"We want to replace this with something more satisfying in the future."

I find this worrying as they also wanted to replace the purchased tests with more popular items and just removed it replacing it with nothing.

Being able to choose lessons for timed practice was a useful feature that did not need to be removed.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yeah it just a nicer way of saying "we will remove it"

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/stoicabhi9

I am just curious, how long did you take to achieve the feat? I mean you are level 25 in 14 languages, level 24 in 1 languare and so on. Inspiring.

Also, if you can share if it has some impact on your life.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/PotatoSanta

It's hard to say how long, but I think I have been here about three or four years now and with timed practice could get to level 25 in at least one or two months depending on the language and how much free time I had. I am not sure how much it has impacted my life yet, but I do find that when I hear the level 25 languages I can understand a lot more than I thought and can sometimes manage simple conversations pretty well.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

How often do you happen to hear High Valyrian? ;)

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Trilby16

Amazing! My hat's off to you, sir. Or madam.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/imi_imp

it is very impressive! we all hope to have as many courses completed one day. i'm sure you will get there in your spanish ^^ good luck on your language learning journey.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Trilby16

The future? This roll-out should have been complete, or hold off unitl it was. You have annoyed and dismayed many faithful Duo-users with this half-assed roll-out. And we are supposed to be excited about your secret plans for the future?

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/WarriorCleberz

I agree with you, I'm hating that update too. Keep repeating lessons more and more it's boring.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/stoicabhi9

1597 days streak - more than 4 years of streak - Salute to your discipline.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/WarriorCleberz

Thank you so much! But the time goes by so fast....I neither believe when I see my streak.

May 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/HenkKooiman

If you are that good with so many languages (sincere compliments to your dedication !), why don't you start reading actual books ? I recently read my first three, simple books in Danish and this feels so much more satisfying than to keep repeating boring lessons. Duolingo is a great help for studying a language and I am thankful for that, but once you are at a certain level I think it may be time to move on to more interesting challenges ? Unless daily working with Duolingo is a goal in itself. In that case you are a real champion !

May 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mimimi

I’m really disappointed with how my French language level was translated into the new system. French was the first language I added to my Duo, and it was one that I already had a pretty good knowledge of, so I tested out of almost all of the early categories, and never practiced them because realistically I’m never going to forget basic French vocabulary, grammar and greetings now.

This meant that those skills decayed away on my account years ago, and now that the new system has come in, nearly all of my skills have completely reset, to the point where despite the fact that I’m almost right at the end of the French course, I have very few (21) crowns in the language. It would be fine if there were a way to rapidly test out of categories or do a quick placement test, but with both of those things gone at the moment, I would have to painstakingly go through all of the basic vocabulary in each category if I wanted to gain access to any of the new content that might actually be helpful to me at my current level. It’s kind of crappy, and doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

To put things in perspective, I have fewer crowns in French and less access to advanced material in most categories than I do in German and Esperanto, even though I only dabbled in both of those languages for a week or two for fun, and genuinely have forgotten nearly everything in both of them (German, in particular, I am 100% sure I would need to start from scratch with now). And I only have a few more than in Turkish, which I spent even less time studying, which I only completed a handful of categories in, and which I actually added at around the same time as French. What gives?

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Elinand

For me who's learning german which I'd say has more complicated grammar than swedish I really need to have the repetive lessons to learn. Before when they went golden, I wasn't able to progress I only got it wrong all the time. But now I've actually started gathering knowledge from duolingo.

If you got a more decent skill in the language this might be upsetting having to repeat stuff you certainly already know. Well, take your time and celebrate, you've progressed since you started!

May 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/stoicabhi9

May be they want learners to practice more. Here also they have different colors for different level and once you finish level 5, you'll always remain golden. Having said that, it cannot be denied that getting golden color has become a time consuming job.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

I didn't know it still goes gold mostly because since finishing swedish I really do not want to go through the basics and starter lessons a bunch more times. Also for some reason in german I had more topics start off at level 3 then I did in swedish and I've finished the Swedish course and I'm almost at level 20.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/stoicabhi9

Yes, it does go gold. I just tried this thing to get gold. Level 1 - Blue Level 2 -Green Level 3- Red Level 4- Orange Level 5 - GOLDEN

This is how it proceeds as per my observation. Hope it helps.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

I just flew through my basics in swedish and it does go gold but level 4 to 5 was 15 test, that just seems like... overkill.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Gosh, I am so hearing all of you.
And also, yep, I also find change hard, and challenging.

I have found reading What are Crown Levels? very insightful, as to why they have done these changes. And how it is a significant part of Duolingo constant aim to find better ways to teach.

There are also other "Related articles" in the menu on the right of that document, that gives you more insight.

Also note in Upcoming Feature: Skill Levels ( which is now referred to as "crowns") it says :

As you level up a skill, the types of exercises you see will get harder (harder sentences, more typing in the language you’re learning, etc.)

Also of course there is the amazing Crowns FAQ Mega post. And especially that:

This is a total redesign of the skill tree that solves one of Duolingo’s biggest challenges: remaining fun for casual learners while still offering advanced content for serious learners. Casual learners can still go through the whole tree fairly easily, while more advanced learners can get a lot more depth by leveling up their skills and earning Crowns.

Also, to mention that what I find most effective is to not try to make each level golden, before moving on. That we tend to move through the course, and when we feel like it, or when we want to study more on a particular skill, we will go and strive to get more crowns in certain levels.

I like that its focus is giving me more resources and new challenges to engage me in making my language learning more effective and to a higher level.

From all I see they are continuing to develop and create better resources for us to learn languages. And this change is one of the significant ones.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Trilby16

@Lindakanga-- "As you level up a skill, the types of exercises you see will get harder." But it doesn't actually work like that! The sentences are still basic and repetitive even as you level up in a skill. Duo folks, you can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true!

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Trilby16

@brooke874444-- Depending on the skill. In a skill with many words it would be even more tests.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson

I would assume the number of repetitions per word to advance to the next level is constant, rather than the number of repetitions by itself.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/BRG___

This likely won't be the popular opinion- but as someone who was using duolingo for about 30 days without the system and about 30 with, I can say that for a 'new' user, I think the system is good. I find the reptition really helps me remember - the strength meter made me feel I was progressing much better than I actually was. That said, I can totally get for people further in how frustrating it can be.

May 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/brooke874444

I think its mostly that the users who have been here for YEARS learn how to make the old format work, yeah there were some grovels when they would change stuff around but for the most part the core of how people learned on here was simple: keep things golden and move forward. By changing the layout so much a lot the users are having to figure out how they like it. Maybe instead of such a drastic change they should have made it gradual like use crowns but allow the skills to go gold and having to keep it that way.

May 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Reykjavik_Review

I completely agree. The crown update sucks in basically all aspects (and what IS with them getting rid of the timer? WHY?!)

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/RobKanelbulle

I love the update.

May 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/musicismylife14

i agree this is very annoying :(

May 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/musicismylife14

i personally dont like it.. at all... because for some reason it made my whole tree start again :((

July 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/emiliahedvig

Even though this is an older thread, I feel like I have to chime in, as I totally agree. I loved the golden disc system, it motivated me to do exercises regularly and my learning felt more wholesome, as I constantly updated the skills and areas that I had become more rusty with. I really liked how the practice mode also helped to get the discs golden again. I also loved having the fluency percentage! I know it was kinda misleading, but it just felt like such a clear point of reference compared to crowns. When the system changed, I was very disappointed and didn't feel like using Duolingo again. However, I am now in a situation in which I desperately need to revise my Swedish to pass an obligatory course at Uni, so I came back to Duo. I've been studying Swedish daily with Duolingo for a couple of weeks, so I've gotten rather familiar with the new system. I find it very unmotivating and unsatisfying compared to the previous system. As SlowGoing said at the start of this tread, it feels tedious and like working in the dark.

August 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SlowGoing

Hi, I've since changed my view of it. I finally figured out that we can jump levels in each exercise, and that makes it very motivating to me again, because it feels like I'm getting somewhere and not just spinning my wheels. It took me far too long to discover that was an option! Hence my name: SlowGoing :o)

November 3, 2018
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