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Irish Eclipsis

I'm back yet again to ask about pronunciation. I was looking into Irish pronunciation of eclipsis a while ago and I just want to confirm it here: the way it works is that you pronounce the first consonant and ignore the second. For example: gcallín is pronounced "galleen", not "guh-call-een". Is this right?

5 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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An eclipsing bh is a single consonant, e.g. leis an bhfíon.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/medievalmaide715

Thank you for that mia kara.

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https://www.duolingo.com/patbo
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Yes, except for "ng" (e.g. "i nGailimh" ), which actually has the "ng" sound /ŋ/.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Goldenhawk11
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This is a link another user posted a while back regarding Irish pronunciation, it may be of use to you. As far as I know it's accurate, but if it's not, I would greatly appreciate being told otherwise. http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaeilge/donncha/focal/features/irishsp.html

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https://www.duolingo.com/scilling
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The word stress section is inaccurate; it is those words that have neither a long vowel nor a diphthong in any other syllable that tend to be stressed on the first syllable. There are a few dozen words that have their second syllables stressed, and in some dialects other words can be stressed on any syllable with a long vowel, e.g. fuinneog could be stressed on the second syllable.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patbo
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In the North, the stress on the first syllable is pretty consistent. Most, if not all, exceptions are (originally) compound words where the stress can fall on the first syllable of the second part. Long vowels or diphthongs don't really play a role for stress there.

Of course, the whole page doesn't address dialectal differences other than saying that they exist, and it doesn't even seem to use a single dialect consistently. But stress isn't something to single out there. What it says is correct for at least some dialects.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rev._mother

The original 1st consonant is just left in as a sort of hint of what the "normal" form of the word is. In case you need to look up gcailín in the dictionary you will know it won't be under "g" . Welsh doesn't do this, they just throw out the "c" altogether, hence: Cymraeg (the Welsh language) may be written Gymraeg at times.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/medievalmaide715

Ah, okay. I didn't even know Welsh was a Celtic language, but a Germanic. The more you know I guess. XD

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeamasWeixel

Welsh, Cornish, and Breton are the other branch of the Celtic languages.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rev._mother

As Seamus alluded to, Welsh, Cornish and Breton are part of the Brythonnic branch of Celtic, as opposed to the Gaelic branch (Irish, Scottish, Manx). Once you get a good feel for Irish, you should try a little Welsh on DL . They are structurally very similar and have many common words.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/medievalmaide715

I may do that in the future, thanks for the suggestion. I am always wanting to learn new things. :D

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