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Den vs. Die/Der/Das

what's the difference here? is the a masculine, feminine, and neuter version of this seemingly random "the"?

6 years ago

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To confirm my understanding and to (attempt to) condense what mkahmvet said, it sounds like "Den" is used for "the" when you are talking about the noun being acted on (like an apple being eaten, or a man being taught).

1 year ago

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You're early enough on that it's enough to say that the important part is that you remember that some nouns are masculine, some are feminine, some are neutral, plus plural. The lessons will get into cases a little later, once you know more words. I taught myself cases with another language that relies on them heavily. In my simplified way they boil down to "the person doing" "the person being done to" "to/with/from/at directions or places the thing is being done." Or in police show terms "the perpetrator" "the victim" "the scene of the crime." Der, den, dem all mean "the" and are usually masculine. An example sentence with all masculine nouns: "Der Mann ("the man" is the perpetrator) isst ("is eating" is the crime) den Apfel ("the apple" is the victim) auf dem Tisch ("at/on the table" is the scene of the crime.)"

The cases exist because they are a useful tool to emphasize different parts of the sentence with it still being clear who is doing what. "Den Apfel isst der Mann" = "the apple is being eaten by the man."

I am admittedly still new to German, and I am not sure if I am explaining the concept of cases clearly, but from learning another language, that's been the best way I've been able to explain it to myself.

6 years ago

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See this table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declension#Definite_articles.5B1.5D

'Den' marks the accusative case for masculine nouns and the dative case for plural nouns.

'Der Mann isst den Apfel' - Der = nominative (the man is the subject of the sentence, the one 'doing/being' the main verb.. Den = accusative (the apple is the object of the sentence, the thing that the main verb is being done to (being eaten)

These markers of case are found on the words 'ein' 'der' and also on adjective endings and they can even change a few nouns, you MUST learn them to be understood or to understand even the most basic sentences. They may seem arbitrary but they are really essential in German where word order is not as fixed as English - without them a great deal of it'd be gobbledegook!

Learn the cases, what they are, how to recognise them - nominative, accusative, dative, genitive. Learn prepositions (in/on/under/to etc) and what cases they take. Learn the table (in the link) and memorise it.

nb only a very few lucky learners find cases really easy, but they're so essential you simply can't get away with not learning them, - it may take a long time to master them but start with the basics - there's lots of on-line resources for leaning this, if you're not already comfortable with cases then LEARN HOW TO TEL THEM APART IN ENGLISH (or your native language) first! They usually have different names in English. English subjective case = German nominative. English Objective = German dative. English possessive = German genitive.

The only sure fire way I've found to learn what case to use and what version of 'the' or 'a' to use etc is through tonnes of practice of speaking/reading/writing/listening to German, that's the only way to get it all properly fixed in your head, but learning the rules, although it may look a bit complicated if you've not studied Grammar much before, makes things a hell of a lot simpler.

6 years ago