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falling versus falling down

Der Himmel fällt. This site ONLY translates this as the sky is falling down. My answer "The sky is falling" is incorrect, according to the admins. Die Blumen fällt: the flowers are falling (or fall), Die Bäume fällt: the trees are falling (or fall), and Der Apfel fällt: the apple is falling (or falls) are all the correct answers, but only when referring to the sky falling is down used. I tested a theory just now and got "the trees are falling down" wrong for Die Bäume fällt. So the sky is falling down, but the trees are not falling down. The issue I have is the sky can only falling in one direction, down. When something falls, it falls downward; so the direction is implied and does not have to be noted. HOWEVER COMMA if you admins persist in the correct answer for Der Himmel fällt to be "the sky is falling down", then down should be uniform for anything falling.

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May 17, 2018

9 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/speising

how can the sky fall anyway? except in the james bond movie and there it didn't fall "down" explicitly.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gmbka

I found it on google, The sky is falling came from the folk tale Chicken Little.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ren918302

I'm trying to figure out whether or not English has a pattern for falling and falling down. I think falling down is generally, but not exclusively, used for people having accidents, as in "she fell down the stairs." In this case "down" is required because "she fell the stairs" would not make sense. But you can also fall through things, as in "he fell through the ice." In these cases, the direction is necessary to complete the statement. Otherwise it seems optional. "She fell" and "she fell down" are both acceptable as complete statements.

It's possibly that "the sky is falling" doesn't use down because it's only a metaphoric fall and nothing actually hits the ground. This explanation is purely speculative.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/tracythoma14

That is a great explanation. I had not considered falling through something. Fell through the ice, fell through the window, etc. I had thought about water and zero gravity, but those are floating not falling. Thank you for the addition.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/sriajuda

These are strange examples. Anyhow, I'll try to give some sort of explanation.

1) "Der Himmel fällt."

While grammatically correct, I'm pretty sure nobody would ever say that in German. The only application that I am aware of is in a (dated) idiom: "Der Himmel fällt mir auf den Kopf." (Expressing being overwhelmed by events or circumstances.)

2) Indication of direction

In most cases, adding a direction to the verb is required when the direction is NOT down. However, leaving the direction away often is close to the english continuous form. Examples:

Der Baum fällt um. (The tree falls over / toppled)

Sie fällt hin. (She falls down, but indicating the end result of lying on the ground)

Sie fällt. Now this is a contextual thing. If context provides that she was standing or walking, etc., on the ground, it really implies the end result. However, suppose she falls from a cliff, this would be close to the english continuous form: She is falling.

Das Glas fällt runter. The glass falls down, again indicating the end result of it ending up on the ground or floor.

Er ist die Karriereleiter hinaufgefallen. Metaphorical use, indicating someone rose in a company's hierarchy not due to his work, but other circumstances like influential friends / family.

3) Beware of another german verb that is very close to "fallen": "fällen".

The difference is that "fällen" is something active. Einen Baum fällen: To fell a tree. Actually, I can't think of another use for physical things, but "fällen" is also used metaphorical: "Eine Entscheidung fällen" To make a decision. "Sein Faustschlag fällte seinen Gegner." His punch dropped (fell?) his adversary.

Hope that helps a bit.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/tracythoma14

Thank you for taking the time for the lengthy response. I have from the beginning thought the issue was in the English translation more than the German phrase. You have used examples that I had not considered, so I appreciate the help.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gatiquo

Most things don''t fall up, but it does not seem excessive to say they are falling down.

May 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gmbka

Maybe what you got wrong is just that "die Baeume (plural) fallen. Faelt is singular. Der Baum faellt.

Uebrigens, ich bin einmal gestolpert und eine Treppe hinaufgefallen anstatt herunter, gluecklicherweise.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/tracythoma14

You are right. I wrote it wrong on the post. My issue is not with the German, but my native language English "translation." When referring to an object falling, the correct English is used. However, when referring to the sky, down is used in the English "translation."

May 18, 2018
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