Esperanto Tree 2.0!!!
It looks like Esperanto Tree 2.0 is finally here! Discuss...
I have been watching the new questions rolling in from all the A-testers (or is it B-testers?)
He's one of the more prominent and knowledgeable Esperanto teachers on the Internet, but too humble to put it that way.
By the number of the skills, I suppose. His Esperanto tree has 62 skills, mine - 44.
I too still have 44. I can see the number of lessons in 2.0 increase from 241 to 340! Hopefully we all get it soon.
I still have the Tree 1.0 with 44 skills. Is this an A/B test? If so, hopefully we will all have Tree 2.0 when the A/B test runs is course.
I wonder what v1 and v2 were. Hopefully "third time's a charm" and v3 is successful!
Since I still have 44 lessons it may be a slow rollout or may be as psifish suggests an A/B test.
Dang, it looks like I don't have the new tree. Any guess on how long we need to wait for it to be pushed out for all users?
Omg I'm so excited! I've finished the Spanish Tree 3.0 earlier this week and now I'm off to the French Tree 3.0. I can't wait to finish that and come back to Esperanto. It will feel full circle as these were the only three courses that I finished about a year ago and now they're unfinished again and I can study them once again. I have forgotten a lot of my Esperanto, so this is just wonderful! Oooh I'm so excited.
Seeing from other comments, I think the reason why I'm so excited is because it re-intrigues me. I do think that the Esperanto Tree 1.0 taught me a lot and actually made me almost conversational (had I just stuck with it more and studied harder, easily would be more conversational). But, now that almost a year has passed (more like 9 months tbh) in which I haven't used Esperanto close to at all, coming back to Duolingo's course seems new again, but you get a little discouraged when you know it's going to be all the same. I think the Crowns Levels and the new tree is really exciting in giving us new content and even just a boost of hope to get back into the language and study more than I had once and learn something new and different yet still Esperanto.
Mi ankoraux povas paroli Esperante. Ja, un jaro havis pasata, kaj eble cxi-tio estas malkorekta, sed mi pensas, ke mi ankoraux povas paroli Esperante. Tiu mesagxo ne estis eskribata kun helpo. Hmd, mia Esperanto estas malbona, mi scias gxin, sed kun un jaro havata pasata, mi pensas, ke estas bona. Hahaha, estas eble multaj ereroj . . . Tio estas bone, se vi komprenas min, mi estas felicxa.
I have the new tree :)
Now I have to reclaim the owl in both French and Esperanto...
I started Esperanto on Thursday so when it switched I was super confused, but it does look a lot better thank you for your updates!
My friend was a few lessons away from the Golden Owl at the bottom, today he launched Duolingo..... and SCREAMED! He is not happy, says there isn't even an owl on his page now....
I didn't think you could see an owl on a tree you hadn't finished. Certainly I can't see one on my other unfinished trees. My recollection is that the owl disappears when they re-release a tree with extra skills, at least it did with Spanish, and then reappears once you have done the extras. That's what happened wih spanish and german anyway, though not sure how it interacts with crowns. I still have esperanto tree 1.0 :-(
I think it was visible when he started on the last sections, he was only a few lessons from finishing and poof!! He is still ranting, on and off.......a bunch of new sections appeared below the formerly last two just as he was going on to do the last lessons........
I think what it takes to get an owl within the crown system is to get at least one crown per skill. That's when your golden owl appears. And, obviously, when they add a bunch of new skills, it will take longer to get all those new crowns. Or, when you have an owl, it will disappear again until you also earn a crown each for the new skills.
Mi konsentas, bedaŭrinde mi ne havas la novan arbon - SED MIA EDZO HAVAS ĜIN. Grrrrrrrrrrr
It's for moments like this that the expression "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was invented. You're correct that ho ve is a correct way to express heartache or regret, but that doesn't mean that ho ne can't be used to express a wish that a thing weren't so.
Somehow the idea is circulating that pardonpetas means "sorry!". (I've been noticing it more and more among learners.) It should only be used as part of a sentence.
- Mi pardonpetas pri ....
- I ask for your pardon with regards to...
As an interjection, something like
- pardonu min
I always preferred 'Pardonon'. 'Pardonu min' just brings to mind Steve Martin.
Darn. Don't want to lose my golden owl. I'll have to work quick to get it back once the new tree is released for me.
It's a bit annoying that the checkpoints don't work to level up the new skills. Because I already passed the checkpoint in the old tree I can't do it in the new tree, making it harder to get my golden owl back. I guess I'll just have to do a whole bunch of lessons.
Great to have testing out now! Makes it a lot easier than doing lessons individually.
Darn! I had just passed the halfway mark (counting lessons, not skills) and was looking forward to working rapidly towards my golden owl. And now there will be 18 NEW skills, and God knows how many new lessons! Sigh.
Since the change is imminent, I'm not going to "race to the finish line." I tried that with French, and just before I reached my goal, the new version showed up and I had a LOOOONG way to go, again.
Instead, I'll take my time as I progress through Esperanto. I might also go back to freshen up one or two of my other languages for a while...
Or I might switch my focus to Swedish and earn my next golden owl for Swedish first since there appears to be no update for Swedish anytime soon ;-)
Then again, on the positive side... it's always good to learn more and develop a broader skill set when learning a language, and of course, Esperanto is no exception! I have gone through two updates with courses I had studied, with Spanish and also with French, and it certainly added a lot of depth to my skills.
Why is it being AB tested? I can't imagine Duolingo saying its not sufficient well change it back.
Could be any of a number of reasons. Maybe this way they can make sure the servers which contain the files can keep up with the demand.
From my perspective, it's a good thing. There are lots of questions coming in. Those who get the new tree later will have the benefit of having more alternate translations already available... and those answering questions (me, and others) and those administrating the course have the benefit of not being too overwhelmed all at once.
Duolingo AB tests pretty much everything. Make no assumptions. Remove doubt.
I have a background in statistics and optimization. You would be surprised at how often intuition is wrong. In my experience, the term "common sense" has become synonymous with "sub-optimal".
And here I still sit, waiting for both French and Esperanto to update...
I suspect I'm on the original tree for French. My Spanish has expanded since I started it. My Spanish and German trees both look longer than my French/Esperanto trees.
Maybe Esperanto and French will push out at the same time. I'm not worried about French as much because I haven't completed it yet. (although with 25 xp I suspect you must have completed it long ago).
is this tree limited to only a portion of users? I see a bunch of people saying they don't have the update.
Finally, I can join you on Tree 2.0. It took a while, but now my account is updated. All I've tackled so far is weather, which doesn't really look new from tree 1.0- just recombination of words already learnt.
Looking forwards to getting into some new stuff later on.
I got 2.0 this morning as well. I'm thinking it went out generally at last. Gone is the 'Monty Haul' function that gave away 200 XP when testing out of a skill. Ah well. I got up to level 21 before it went away.
Yay. Was hoping it would come out soon. I still see the old tree, still upping my levels after the switch to the new crown system unguided them.
Can't wait for new tree. I was one of the last switched over to crown system, I imagine I'll be one of the last switched over to the new Esperanto tree too.
Indeed. I've looked around at alternatives but none look nearly as fun or easy to follow.
I've tried alternative methods of learning in the past and never stuck with them... Duolingo is easier to stick with.
Methods that you stick with are better than superior methods which you don't stick with ... but I do wonder why people are so excited about tree 2.0. If I've been through the first tree and if I've been sticking with Duolingo for a year or whatever, I really should be ready to use Esperanto.
"I" = a person
I always felt the 1.0 tree seemed a little short. Which isn't all bad, it spurred me on. Seeing I was a quarter the way through after a couple weeks... Or half way through after a month spurred me on to complete it.
Especially when I got the more difficult lessons near the end it was encouraging to see I was close to the end.
Now I'm ready for more. Yeah, I've read a book in Esperanto and news a couple of times... But nothing is easier than Duolingo or makes it as much fun... So I'm happy for more.
But does "easy" translate to "effective"? I have at least two students who have reported that Duolingo gave them a false confidence which was broken when they tried to actually use Esperanto. I've had a third student say that he learned more in a 1/2 hour trial lesson than in months on Duolingo - hyperbole, I hope, but as much as I want the site to do well, I want the people learning here to do well too. If you're not conversational in six months, you should reconsider your method. (BTW, there are good videos about getting the most out of Duolingo - hint, it's not easy.)
Indeed. Easy = more likely to stick with it. Since I am learning Esperanto for the joy of it (not expecting to use it frequently) anything hard/grueling or not fun would not be something I stuck with so would be less effective.
I agree. We wait too long to use the language, waiting for the day when we have "enough" words.
Sed ĝuste tio. Se oni venas, lernas Esperanton, kaj foriras por uzi Esperanton, tiu ne restos sufiĉe longe por bezone "ion novan" (ion malsaman)
The content is probably still there even if the lesson isn't. I don't have the new tree, but when a similar update came to the French tree there was talk of some lessons being folded into others.
Demo, I doubt it. Mostly they ADD more lessons and skills. Most of the crowns should stay intact. A few may temporarily disappear, but when you study the skills, chances are that Duo gives you some credit for having learned a portion of it already, and so you may have to do fewer lessons. At least this was the way it worked when they expanded the other two trees I was working on.
They make it like a game with "crowns and streaks" to make people view it as something more fun.
I daresay a lot fewer people would persist with their learning if it wasn't fun. Especially amongst those (like myself) who are learning for fun, and not really with a pressing need for the language(s)
A month later, I still don't have the new tree. I hope they're just taking their time and haven't rolled back to the old tree.
I know I didn't get the crowns until well after a month later than I saw people first start talking about it- I always seem to be on their last to move pile.
Duolingo might be delaying the release of the new tree to students who've already completed the old tree because they want to see how new students who've never done either tree respond to the new tree.
One way to get a peek at at least part of the new tree is to look at the sentences tab of the discussion group. Lots of new sentences are showing up there and anybody can see them.
Aŭ oni povus uzi duome.eu por vidi la novan arbon. Tie trovis mi iom homoj kiuj havas la esperantan duan arbon, tiam mi vidis la arbon. Tio estas kion faris mi.
(Please correct if incorrect)
Or you could use duome.eu to see the new tree. There I found people who have the second Esperanto tree, then see the tree. That’s what I did.
I think I got the new tree. It looks a bit like a mess to me. Previously the first skills were the basic ones, and now I have "Weather" as the third skill. Really, do Esperanto speakers talk that much about weather to put it in the very beginning? What is more, as sentences in the "Wether" skill I got for example "I come from Australia" and several similar ones, having nothing to do with weather...
I think it is the first time when adding new content to one of my trees had such peculiar effect.