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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eojeff

Esperanto Tree 2.0!!!

It looks like Esperanto Tree 2.0 is finally here! Discuss...

May 18, 2018

68 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

I have been watching the new questions rolling in from all the A-testers (or is it B-testers?)

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lernejano

Are you a contributor? I see you helping people a lot.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Danielconcasco

He's one of the more prominent and knowledgeable Esperanto teachers on the Internet, but too humble to put it that way.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sa967St

Is this why some of the questions in the new skills were in the old tree?

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LaArakido

How do you see it's 2.0?

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FieryCat

By the number of the skills, I suppose. His Esperanto tree has 62 skills, mine - 44.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LaArakido

I too still have 44. I can see the number of lessons in 2.0 increase from 241 to 340! Hopefully we all get it soon.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/psifish

I still have the Tree 1.0 with 44 skills. Is this an A/B test? If so, hopefully we will all have Tree 2.0 when the A/B test runs is course.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FieryCat

Yes, most likely this: tree_eo_en_v3_experiment

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/psifish

I wonder what v1 and v2 were. Hopefully "third time's a charm" and v3 is successful!

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eojeff

Because the total number of skills took a significant jump and the tree has been substantially reorganized. It's either "tree 2.0" or a major step in that direction.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LaArakido

Since I still have 44 lessons it may be a slow rollout or may be as psifish suggests an A/B test.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eojeff

Inference. It's a major revision to the tree. That said, some comments elsewhere on this thread suggest that it may be a split test of two or more possible trees.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lernejano

I’m still waiting. Can’t wait.

May 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DerGoldmann

Dang, it looks like I don't have the new tree. Any guess on how long we need to wait for it to be pushed out for all users?

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElijahCFGolpe

Omg I'm so excited! I've finished the Spanish Tree 3.0 earlier this week and now I'm off to the French Tree 3.0. I can't wait to finish that and come back to Esperanto. It will feel full circle as these were the only three courses that I finished about a year ago and now they're unfinished again and I can study them once again. I have forgotten a lot of my Esperanto, so this is just wonderful! Oooh I'm so excited.

Seeing from other comments, I think the reason why I'm so excited is because it re-intrigues me. I do think that the Esperanto Tree 1.0 taught me a lot and actually made me almost conversational (had I just stuck with it more and studied harder, easily would be more conversational). But, now that almost a year has passed (more like 9 months tbh) in which I haven't used Esperanto close to at all, coming back to Duolingo's course seems new again, but you get a little discouraged when you know it's going to be all the same. I think the Crowns Levels and the new tree is really exciting in giving us new content and even just a boost of hope to get back into the language and study more than I had once and learn something new and different yet still Esperanto.

Mi ankoraux povas paroli Esperante. Ja, un jaro havis pasata, kaj eble cxi-tio estas malkorekta, sed mi pensas, ke mi ankoraux povas paroli Esperante. Tiu mesagxo ne estis eskribata kun helpo. Hmd, mia Esperanto estas malbona, mi scias gxin, sed kun un jaro havata pasata, mi pensas, ke estas bona. Hahaha, estas eble multaj ereroj . . . Tio estas bone, se vi komprenas min, mi estas felicxa.

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jzsuzsi

I have the new tree :)

Now I have to reclaim the owl in both French and Esperanto...

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElIiotFassero

I started Esperanto on Thursday so when it switched I was super confused, but it does look a lot better thank you for your updates!

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BooksieJ

My friend was a few lessons away from the Golden Owl at the bottom, today he launched Duolingo..... and SCREAMED! He is not happy, says there isn't even an owl on his page now....

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ionasky

I didn't think you could see an owl on a tree you hadn't finished. Certainly I can't see one on my other unfinished trees. My recollection is that the owl disappears when they re-release a tree with extra skills, at least it did with Spanish, and then reappears once you have done the extras. That's what happened wih spanish and german anyway, though not sure how it interacts with crowns. I still have esperanto tree 1.0 :-(

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BooksieJ

I think it was visible when he started on the last sections, he was only a few lessons from finishing and poof!! He is still ranting, on and off.......a bunch of new sections appeared below the formerly last two just as he was going on to do the last lessons........

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elisabeth3789

I think what it takes to get an owl within the crown system is to get at least one crown per skill. That's when your golden owl appears. And, obviously, when they add a bunch of new skills, it will take longer to get all those new crowns. Or, when you have an owl, it will disappear again until you also earn a crown each for the new skills.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jal

Haleluja! Bonvenon al la nova arbo!

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ionasky

Mi konsentas, bedaŭrinde mi ne havas la novan arbon - SED MIA EDZO HAVAS ĜIN. Grrrrrrrrrrr

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lernejano

Ho ne! Nun estas milito!

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KaptianKaos8

[Comment deleted to remove embarrassment]

May 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

It's for moments like this that the expression "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was invented. You're correct that ho ve is a correct way to express heartache or regret, but that doesn't mean that ho ne can't be used to express a wish that a thing weren't so.

May 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KaptianKaos8

Ups! Pardonpetas. Didn’t realise. Dankon for correcting me.

June 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

Somehow the idea is circulating that pardonpetas means "sorry!". (I've been noticing it more and more among learners.) It should only be used as part of a sentence.

  • Mi pardonpetas pri ....
  • I ask for your pardon with regards to...

As an interjection, something like

  • pardonu min
  • pardonon
June 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DaveRutan

I always preferred 'Pardonon'. 'Pardonu min' just brings to mind Steve Martin.

June 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/trainpilot

I still have my original golden owl for now...

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

Darn. Don't want to lose my golden owl. I'll have to work quick to get it back once the new tree is released for me.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VastGalaxy

It's a bit annoying that the checkpoints don't work to level up the new skills. Because I already passed the checkpoint in the old tree I can't do it in the new tree, making it harder to get my golden owl back. I guess I'll just have to do a whole bunch of lessons.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VastGalaxy

Great to have testing out now! Makes it a lot easier than doing lessons individually.

October 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elisabeth3789

Darn! I had just passed the halfway mark (counting lessons, not skills) and was looking forward to working rapidly towards my golden owl. And now there will be 18 NEW skills, and God knows how many new lessons! Sigh.

Since the change is imminent, I'm not going to "race to the finish line." I tried that with French, and just before I reached my goal, the new version showed up and I had a LOOOONG way to go, again.

Instead, I'll take my time as I progress through Esperanto. I might also go back to freshen up one or two of my other languages for a while...

Or I might switch my focus to Swedish and earn my next golden owl for Swedish first since there appears to be no update for Swedish anytime soon ;-)

Then again, on the positive side... it's always good to learn more and develop a broader skill set when learning a language, and of course, Esperanto is no exception! I have gone through two updates with courses I had studied, with Spanish and also with French, and it certainly added a lot of depth to my skills.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PotatoSanta

Why is it being AB tested? I can't imagine Duolingo saying its not sufficient well change it back.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

Could be any of a number of reasons. Maybe this way they can make sure the servers which contain the files can keep up with the demand.

From my perspective, it's a good thing. There are lots of questions coming in. Those who get the new tree later will have the benefit of having more alternate translations already available... and those answering questions (me, and others) and those administrating the course have the benefit of not being too overwhelmed all at once.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/psifish

Duolingo AB tests pretty much everything. Make no assumptions. Remove doubt.

I have a background in statistics and optimization. You would be surprised at how often intuition is wrong. In my experience, the term "common sense" has become synonymous with "sub-optimal".

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WitlessBittern

And here I still sit, waiting for both French and Esperanto to update...

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

I suspect I'm on the original tree for French. My Spanish has expanded since I started it. My Spanish and German trees both look longer than my French/Esperanto trees.

Maybe Esperanto and French will push out at the same time. I'm not worried about French as much because I haven't completed it yet. (although with 25 xp I suspect you must have completed it long ago).

June 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/computervirus99

is this tree limited to only a portion of users? I see a bunch of people saying they don't have the update.

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lectroidmarc

Yes. Duolingo rolls out features slowly to users. I don't have it yet either.

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

Finally, I can join you on Tree 2.0. It took a while, but now my account is updated. All I've tackled so far is weather, which doesn't really look new from tree 1.0- just recombination of words already learnt.

Looking forwards to getting into some new stuff later on.

July 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DaveRutan

I got 2.0 this morning as well. I'm thinking it went out generally at last. Gone is the 'Monty Haul' function that gave away 200 XP when testing out of a skill. Ah well. I got up to level 21 before it went away.

July 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

Yay. Was hoping it would come out soon. I still see the old tree, still upping my levels after the switch to the new crown system unguided them.

Can't wait for new tree. I was one of the last switched over to crown system, I imagine I'll be one of the last switched over to the new Esperanto tree too.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eojeff

I believe you are correct. I'm just thankful Duolingo supports Esperanto at all. It has reinvigorated my desire to study Esperanto.

May 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

Indeed. I've looked around at alternatives but none look nearly as fun or easy to follow.

I've tried alternative methods of learning in the past and never stuck with them... Duolingo is easier to stick with.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

Methods that you stick with are better than superior methods which you don't stick with ... but I do wonder why people are so excited about tree 2.0. If I've been through the first tree and if I've been sticking with Duolingo for a year or whatever, I really should be ready to use Esperanto.

"I" = a person

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

I always felt the 1.0 tree seemed a little short. Which isn't all bad, it spurred me on. Seeing I was a quarter the way through after a couple weeks... Or half way through after a month spurred me on to complete it.

Especially when I got the more difficult lessons near the end it was encouraging to see I was close to the end.

Now I'm ready for more. Yeah, I've read a book in Esperanto and news a couple of times... But nothing is easier than Duolingo or makes it as much fun... So I'm happy for more.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

But does "easy" translate to "effective"? I have at least two students who have reported that Duolingo gave them a false confidence which was broken when they tried to actually use Esperanto. I've had a third student say that he learned more in a 1/2 hour trial lesson than in months on Duolingo - hyperbole, I hope, but as much as I want the site to do well, I want the people learning here to do well too. If you're not conversational in six months, you should reconsider your method. (BTW, there are good videos about getting the most out of Duolingo - hint, it's not easy.)

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

@salivanto

Indeed. Easy = more likely to stick with it. Since I am learning Esperanto for the joy of it (not expecting to use it frequently) anything hard/grueling or not fun would not be something I stuck with so would be less effective.

May 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Danielconcasco

I agree. We wait too long to use the language, waiting for the day when we have "enough" words.

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lectroidmarc

Ĉu vi ne vidis la kriado pri kronoj? ;)

Mi pensas, ke arbo 2.0 estas ĵus io malsimila, tial oni devas iĝi ekscitita.

May 20, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

Sed ĝuste tio. Se oni venas, lernas Esperanton, kaj foriras por uzi Esperanton, tiu ne restos sufiĉe longe por bezone "ion novan" (ion malsaman)

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ftay98

Where did the religion part on the bottom go?!

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WitlessBittern

The content is probably still there even if the lesson isn't. I don't have the new tree, but when a similar update came to the French tree there was talk of some lessons being folded into others.

May 21, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Demo318

Does this mean I'm about to lose all my crowns?

May 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elisabeth3789

Demo, I doubt it. Mostly they ADD more lessons and skills. Most of the crowns should stay intact. A few may temporarily disappear, but when you study the skills, chances are that Duo gives you some credit for having learned a portion of it already, and so you may have to do fewer lessons. At least this was the way it worked when they expanded the other two trees I was working on.

May 23, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gerbnl

Here, have some lingots. I’am amazed people really care about losing crowns, streaks or whatever. Main thing is not losing what you’ve learned.

June 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

They make it like a game with "crowns and streaks" to make people view it as something more fun.

I daresay a lot fewer people would persist with their learning if it wasn't fun. Especially amongst those (like myself) who are learning for fun, and not really with a pressing need for the language(s)

June 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesBridg14

Where is this new tree of which you speak? I still only have 44 skills...

May 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cambarellus

A month later, I still don't have the new tree. I hope they're just taking their time and haven't rolled back to the old tree.

I know I didn't get the crowns until well after a month later than I saw people first start talking about it- I always seem to be on their last to move pile.

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesBridg14

Duolingo might be delaying the release of the new tree to students who've already completed the old tree because they want to see how new students who've never done either tree respond to the new tree.

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lectroidmarc

Duolingo rolls in new features slowly so not everyone has it. I don’t either.

I do wish they had an option to opt in to new features somewhere.

May 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KaptianKaos8

Can anyone tell me/us what the new skills are? (I'm curious and still have the forty-four skill tree.)

Cxu iu povas diri al mi/ni kion la novaj lertecoj estas? (Mi scivolas kaj ankoraux havas la kvardek kvar lertecoj-arbon.)

May 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salivanto

One way to get a peek at at least part of the new tree is to look at the sentences tab of the discussion group. Lots of new sentences are showing up there and anybody can see them.

May 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KaptianKaos8

Aŭ oni povus uzi duome.eu por vidi la novan arbon. Tie trovis mi iom homoj kiuj havas la esperantan duan arbon, tiam mi vidis la arbon. Tio estas kion faris mi.

(Please correct if incorrect)

Or you could use duome.eu to see the new tree. There I found people who have the second Esperanto tree, then see the tree. That’s what I did.

June 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Apsa25
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I think I got the new tree. It looks a bit like a mess to me. Previously the first skills were the basic ones, and now I have "Weather" as the third skill. Really, do Esperanto speakers talk that much about weather to put it in the very beginning? What is more, as sentences in the "Wether" skill I got for example "I come from Australia" and several similar ones, having nothing to do with weather...

I think it is the first time when adding new content to one of my trees had such peculiar effect.

July 30, 2018
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