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What are these sentences in Konjunktiv I Vergangenheit?

What is the Konjunktiv I Vergangenheit form of:

  1. "Ich habe arbeiten müssen,"?
  2. "Meine Frau kann Russisch,"?
  3. "Wir durften nicht gehen,"?
  4. "Der Patient wird operiert,"?
  5. "Ich wurde ins Krankenhaus gebracht,"?

LG Jason

May 27, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635
  1. Ich hätte arbeiten müssen.

  2. Meine Frau hätte russisch gekonnt.

  3. Wir hätten nicht gehen dürfen.

  4. Der Patient wäre operiert worden.

  5. Ich wäre ins Krankenhaus gebracht worden.

These sentences are written in the conjunctive. The sentences number three and five are already in the past tense. Number one looks like the present tense, however, it is said after the work is done and therefore, has a past meaning.

  1. Meine Frau konnte russisch (sprechen).

  2. Der Patient wurde operiert.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jussel11

You forget, that there are 2 kinds of Konjunktiv in German. What you wrote is Konjunktiv II. hätte, wäre, könnte. But dschaeson2302 wants Konjunktiv I. habe, sei, könne.
For Konj II I think: "Stell dir vor,..."(Imagine...) Stelle dir vor, ich hätte arbeiten müssen (Imagine, I would have had to work.) For Konj I, I think: "Er sagt..." (He says...) Er sagte, ich habe arbeiten müssen. (He says, I had to work.). Konj I is usually used for indirect speech.
Zuerst Donald Trump sagte, er werde sich mit Kim Jong Un treffen.
Aber inzwischen sagt Donald Trump, er würde sich nicht mit Kim Jong Un treffen. Vielleicht tut er es aber doch. Konj II zweifelt die Information an.

First Donald Trump said, he will/would(?) meet Kim Jong Un. ("I will meet Kim Jong Un.") But by now he claims, he would not meet him. But maybe he will. The use of the German Konjunktiv II includes that the speaker has doubts about the correctness of the statement.

@Birgit: It is really fun to discuss about language with you. Thank you!

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slightly-left

Does Konjunktiv I Vergangenheit refer to Präteritum or Perfekt?

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

Oh sorry, I thought your line between conjunctive and past was asking for both tenses.. I make a new post. Just a moment, please.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jussel11

As you already included in "Meine Oma sei krank gewesen.", Konjunktiv I Vergangenheit usually refers to Perfekt (ist gewesen - sei gewesen). Theoretically it could also refer to Preteritum, but it would just look like Konjunktiv II Präsens, because it is the exactly same. And because of that it is not used. In general Konjunktiv I is not really used in everyday-language at all, but it remains - mainly in news and newspapers.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slightly-left

What about "Meine Oma ist krank,"?

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

In Conjunctive: Meine Oma wäre krank.

In past tense: Meine Oma war krank.

And conjunctive in the past tense: Meine Oma wäre krank gewesen.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gSY55q97

Hi dschaeson, dies wäre mein Vorschlag gewesen:

  1. Ich habe arbeiten müssen.
  2. Meine Frau habe Russisch gekonnt.
  3. Wir haben nicht gehen dürfen.
  4. Der Patient sei operiert worden.
  5. Ich sei ins Krankenhaus gebracht worden.
  6. Meine Oma sei krank gewesen.

...Allerdings bin ich jetzt ebenfalls sehr irritiert, nachdem ich mir die Kommentare durchgelesen habe.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

The conjunctive 1 is mainly used in indirect speech whereas the conjunctive 2 is mainly used if the statement is unreal.

So for your sentences:

  1. Mama sagte, sie habe arbeiten müssen.

  2. Er sagte, seine Frau könne russisch.

  3. Er sagte, sie durften nicht gehen.

  4. Sie sagte, der Patient werde operiert.

  5. Er sagte, er wurde ins Krankenhaus gebracht.

Conjunctive 1 only changes some personal forms of the verbs.

Indikative - Konjunktive

Ich sage - ich sage

du sagst - du sagest

er sagt - er sage

wir sagen - wir sagen

ihr sagt - ihr saget

sie sagen - sie sagen

If you want to express an unreal statement or use a conditional you would use the conjunctive 2. I hope this helped and I am sorry I couldn't understand your request properly.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/npLam

Hello Birgit,
Would that i understand the subjunctive...

May I just ask about: Mama sagte, sie habe arbeiten müssen...please?

Is there a sort of Plusquamperfekt version ? In other words, if mama had originally said: "ich hatte gemusst arbeiten" How would this speech be reported?

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

Hi npLam, mum would have said it differently.:-))

Mama: "Ich musste arbeiten."

Mama sagte, sie musste arbeiten.

Mama: "Ich habe arbeiten müssen."

Mama sagte, sie habe arbeiten müssen.

Mama: "Ich hatte arbeiten müssen" (isn't really used)

Mama sagte, sie habe arbeiten müssen.

If I used the conjunctive 2 it would imply that I don't believe her.

Mama sagte, sie hätte arbeiten müssen.

I hope this cleared some of the problems :-))

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/npLam

Indeed. You worked out what i meant to ask ,even though i asked it incorrectly!
This has gone straight into my notes :)

Thank you so much.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jussel11

Refer to: "Would that i understand the subjunctive..."
I know "subjuntive" from Spanish. The spanish subjuntive and the German Konjunktiv I are similar (but of course not equal).

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jussel11

So, to do your homework: ;-)
1. Ich hatte arbeiten müssen.
2. Meine Frau habe Russisch gekonnt.
3. Wir haben nicht gehen dürfen.
4. Der Patient sei operiert worden.
5. Ich war ins Krankenhaus gebracht worden.

The sentences 1 and 5 are already past. I put them another time level back to Plusquamperfekt. Alternative they could be 1. Ich habe arbeiten müssen. (exactly the same like the task); 5. Ich sei ins Krankenhaus gebracht worden. (I changed the Präteritum from the task to Perfekt and put it into Konjunktiv I)

If you could do this yourself, you would be better than many Germans. It is a pity that you didn't dare to do it on your own. Your teacher thinks your able to do it. Dein Lehrer findet, du seist dazu in der Lage.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gSY55q97

Hi Jussel11, sorry, but your last two comments were not displayed.

May 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slightly-left

This isn't a homework at all. The problem is, my head keeps stuck every time I want to form a sentence using Konjunktiv I and II. I tried to understand and researched the German Subjunctives rules like 5 times but I failed to remember it again and again.

I hope this is the last time I post questions like these.

Note: I have posted questions regarding to Konjunktiv several times in the past in this discussion stream.

May 28, 2018
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