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Im Allgemeinen (In general)

Why do I see Allgemeinen capitalized most of the time? From what I can find the word is an adverb or adjective; I have not seen where it is a noun.

June 3, 2018

20 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

Adjectives and verbs can be written with capital letters. One reason that triggers the use of capitals are some words like "im" (in dem), "beim" (bei dem). However, there isn't a noun following to which this relates to.

Beim Spielen hat er sich verletzt. = He was playing when he got hurt.

Beim Malen spricht er mit seinem Freund. = He was drawing and talking to his friend.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Hard to tell when the sentence begins with Beim. ;-)

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

Just think of "beim" as "bei dem" :) And actually, be it at the beginning or further in the sentence and not capitilised, it's the following, related word, that may originally not be a noun, (in the exemples given by Birgit, verbs) that kind of becomes one and thence gets the capital letter.

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

I'm not totally sure of that one, but as it is sort of a set expression, the rules may change a bit. Plus, German is familiar with making a adjective work as (sort of) a noun: I had the worst difficulties with "Erwachsene", for instance, as it is a substantive, but retain the properties of the adjective (litteraly "grown up") when it comes to declensions. I have to thank profusely the person who solved the mystery for me, now I see the same pattern from time to time for some words. So, perhaps we could think of "in Allgemeinen" as "as a generality"?
Native's opinion welcome :)

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Sounds good to me.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gatiquo

It is an adjective used as a noun and all nouns are capitalized.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Danke.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/AHA3006

The rule is called "Substantivierung", you might want to check

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/Groß-%20und%20Kleinschreibung#K72

for further examples.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Danke.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Baltfried

In case you haven't noticed yet, Slam :-) Here an example:

Im Allgemeinen -> In dem Allgemeinen

Beim Malen -> Bei dem Malen

Ins Zimmer -> In das Zimmer

"in" and "bei" are prepositions which you can connect with its following article to make it shorter. But be careful! The female article "die" is an exception! "Beir" (Bei der....) and "ir" (In der....) do not exist^^

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I'd like to see sentences which begin with the words in question. Danke sehr.

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

It's always a good idea to try one's luck on Reverso or/and Linguee if you want to see real life exemples either of German phrases, or ways of translating English ones.

In the first months of my learning, these sites confused me to no end (too much information), but after that, they put me to a new level :)

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I did use Linguee and I saw that Allgemeinen was both capitalized and not in the external sources (Externe Quellen). I should use Reverso more; it just is not one of my Bookmarks. I too used to be confused by these resources and became comfortable with Linguee; and in this case it did not help me much. Danke sehr.

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I looked at Reverso and if I typed in Allgemeine all the examples were capitalized; then when I typed in allgemeinen all the examples were not capitalized. Well, I should use the site more often to understand its quirks.

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie

Hi Slam! Perhaps one clue is the time in which the exemples where written: I know things can change a lot in these matters :)

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Das macht Sinn für mich.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MatthiasBe612802

Unfortunately there are a couple of fixed phrases in German where adjectives are used as nouns and hence are capitalized. I fear you have to learn these by hard. For example:

im Allgemeinen - in general im Großen und Ganzen - overall ins Schwarze treffen - to hit perfectly auf die Schnelle - quickly, in a hury in Kürze - shortly, (derived from kurz - short)

June 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

I have come to the conclusion that you probably will never go wrong if you capitalize Allgemeinen. Oder?

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/birgit72635

Hi slamRN, unfortunately, you can't write it always with capitals. In case of a following noun it would be an adjective again.

Im allgemeinen Interesse aller schreibe ich euch einen Brief.

Die allgemeinen Verfahren werden übertragen.

June 4, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/slamRN

Okay, except before a noun. Thanks.

June 4, 2018
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