https://www.duolingo.com/KateVaugha

Finding the new levels BORING

Having been a Duolingo user for a long time now, I am really not happy with the new levels. I've given them a fair try, but the repetition of the same boring phrases again and again is not beneficial ... just dull. Like many, I am sufficiently obsessive to want to get everything to gold, but the sheer tedium of the early levels is really proving onerous. In contrast I LOVE the stories and find them genuinely useful, but am very aware that I'm going to run out soon. Please, Duo, listen to us! More stories, more ways of stretching vocabulary and grammar that are interesting, and less dull repetition.

June 5, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/PotatoSanta
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I could learn so much, and so quickly before they started removing useful items and forcing us to slowly and mindlessly memorize phrases. Duolingo doesn't work any more for me.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/med.rotorrobot

For me nothing has really changed, because I don't try to get the nodes to level 5. I just repeat them when I feel like I need more practise or just for fun. My tree looks really colorful. :)

On the contrary it feels a bit more rewarding to repeat the nodes, because there still is some arbitrary gain. Before the skill would just stay gold as if you're not supposed to repeat them as you please.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Cambarellus
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I'm the same. I don't feel the compulsion to go all level 5 for everything. I don't think anyone should feel the need to be all level 5- unless they want to.

That said, the new system has one major drawback from the old. I miss the ungilding of certain skills as a reminder to re take a level at the correct time to take advantage of spaced repetition.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jileha
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Check your decayed skills here: duome.eu/Cambarellus/progress

I occasionally take a look and work on the decayed skills.

June 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Cambarellus
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Thank you, that's really pretty neat. I will use that in the future.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SarahBecraft
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Wait. After you get to level five it never decays anymore? Without spaced repetition people won't retain half of what they've learned in a year...

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Cambarellus
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The old system you used to lose your gold gilding over time as the strength decays.

The new system doesn't do that. If you're crown level 2 you're always level 2. If you're level 5 you're always level 5.

From what I understand, when you run the practice sessions it pulls from the words which need the most work, so strengthens your weaker words... but the skill sections don't un-gild like they used to.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/e3brown79
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But I need the motivation to keep practicing but the new levels aren't new material. I keep trying different new units but I haven't found any new words. So this is really annoying especially as Duolingo could have given me a level 1 in the new levels instead of a level 0.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Sir.SalaR

Hey KateVaugha You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm also frustrated with these new system and I miss the strength bars, they were really useful.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ceydacaylak
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Exactly. For an example I have some problems with Accusative and Dative cases in German so I want to practice more but even though I'm on level 4 it keeps asking the same questions (most of them don't have a thing with Accusative case though) over again.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/tamara_jeane

I also have problems with accusative and dative. Much more should be pointed toward grammar I think.

June 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Vorylon

At least reducing the amount of repetitions needed for the first super easy lessons... It’s quite mind-numbing. Or at least create some sort of test that let’s you skip them if it sees it’s too easy for you...

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Bonnie481862

I completely agree with KateVaugha, and really miss being able to feel like I was accomplishing something without spending a very long amount of time repeating things in old lessons (I too feel obligated to turn everything gold, even if I don't need to practice that area). I also can understand where others are coming from that repetition is the only way to really get something down, and some people like it, because everyone learns differently. I just feel like there has to be a better way to accommodate the needs of all types of learners, and make the experience of learning a new language fun and helpful. On a side note, I absolutely love the way Duolingo Stories gives me an idea of real world conversations, but I usually only do a story or two as a fun little treat for myself after finishing some real lessons.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Hollyleaf___

you shouldn't feel obligated to turn everything gold. just keep chugging, but review occasionally when you feel like you've been forgetting a skill

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Bonnie481862

That really is good advice, but I'm mildly OCD haha. So when I say I feel obligated, I really mean that it bothers me if I don't.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/tamara_jeane

I agree! The early repetition is unbearable but the stories are cute, entertaining and educational. I am currently living in dread of coming to the end of them.

June 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/srkhn
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Here is my plan: I am going to get only the sufficient level for all subject. Once I finished, I will redo all of the subject +1. If I feel like "Oh, I'm getting rusty on blabla subject" I will just repeat it.

Cheers

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jay413765
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I totally agree

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jileha
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If the repetitions are useful or not to a learner depends on what kind of language they are learning, what other languages they know and what their native language is.

Languages that are to some extent related, use the same alphabet you are familiar with, share a fair amount of grammatical similarities do not need as much repetition as languages on the other end of the spectrum.

I have brought my levels in Irish up to level 4 (except for the first 2 skills) before feeling comfortable enough to move on (working at several different skills at the same time, though) to get more familiar with the spelling and the very different grammar. Danish is close enough to other languages I know, so I don’t do or need that.

If I would start learning Arabic (once the course is ready) or Chinese, for instance, I am sure I would be even happier about the repetitions.

June 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JoanMJames1

I agree about the new levels being repetitive! We need more creative activities. When I see there are 20 sections to a new level, I think too many levels and too much repetition. I don't find the new levels helpful.

June 7, 2018

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I agreeee!

I feel that, if you are going to go up a level, it should actually be more challenging, and not keep repeating the exact same phrases from the previous levels!

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Connie352273

I also prefer the old Duolingo. I find this new version not as challenging...before I had to really try to figure out what words to use and how to spell them...now they appear in boxes that you click on. Also miss seeing the percentage level you were at.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jileha
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You can switch between Word Bank (boxes) and always typing by tapping/clicking on the keyboard at the bottom of the screen.

June 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thidrekr
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Fundamentally, I think the problem is that the German course, in particular, has become too easy. Even practicing halfway through the tree, I find the sentences are still very short with simple vocabulary, and the crown system doesn't seem to make it harder--just repetitive.

In contrast, I think about the Dutch tree, which tends to offer longer sentences with more varied vocabulary. Or even the Danish course, where I'm finding they're offering longer sentences in the early stages than I'm getting in the middle of the German tree, where I'm still getting sentences like "Die Hochzeit ist gut."

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Hollyleaf___

No. If you just read stories, how are you ever gonna become fluent? You need to practice. Yeah, maybe repetition isn't the solution, but how about using flash cards. They really help. Just reading stories won't make you learn.

June 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Gransview

I understand that DUO has a lot of research to back up their teaching strategies. I am pleased with my progress. Repetition is necessary for long term recall. If you haven’t already, subscribe to a German magazine or other articles written in German for additional challenges, etc. “Der Speigel,” is free on line on Fridays. I subscribed to “Wired” Auf Deutsch. Anyway, this RN wishes you well.

June 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CommunicateFTW

I just started using Duolingo three days ago, so I don't know much difference, but I have noted that some of the sections are overly repetitive. I'm only in the first beginning stages of German, so I suppose that is to be expected of the first few tiny lessons. I just hope that the future lessons will prove to be a bit more variable. TinyCards was useful to me to spice things up a bit, FYI.

June 7, 2018

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    I don't think they're listening. :o(

    August 12, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/JoanMJames1

    I find that there are not enough difficult exercises. There are too many way too easy exercises that are VERY repetitive. I love Duo lingo and it is free..but let there be different levels of difficulty that one could choose from.

    August 13, 2018
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