ihr seid or sie sind
As far as I understand from learning German through DuoLingo and through Rosetta Stone, ihr is informal "you" (plural) and sie (lower case "s") is also informal, plural "you". If this isn't right can someone please help me with the difference? If it is correct, how do I know when to use ihr seid or when to use sie sind? I can find a lot of answers through Google but everything I'm finding addresses Sie (which I understand is formal) and not sie. Bitte and danke!
ihr is informal you in plural, this is correct.
sie on the other hand, with small letter s, can either mean she/her or they/them, but does not mean you.
When you talk directly to a group of people, you say "Ihr seid ...", "You are ...". If you talk about a group of people not present, you say "Sie sind ...", "They are ..."
Hello Kim! As far as I understand:
You (Plural/Singular - Formal)
You (Plural - Informal)
You (Singular/Plural - Formal)
She - (Singular)
ihr/Ihr seid - You are (Informal - Plural, Formal - Plural/Singular)
Sie sind - You are (Formal - Singular)
sie sind - They are (Plural)
sie ist - She is (Singular)
I am open for corrections, this confused me before too.
Good luck! AP4418
You got it, Dessert-Rose; just a tiny detail; "Sie" (capital letter) is indeed formal, but can be either singular or plural. You can adress several persons at once in the "Sie" form, when you would at least one of them.
And "Ihr" is plural informal in nominative, feminine singular third person in the dative http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/pronouns/personal-possessive-pronouns/ The capital letter occurs only at the beginning of the sentence
I'd say npLam is right. But if the "all" is implied, that's what I actually asked a bunch of times last summer (Deustche, though, der Deutscher, die Deutsche), and got only pleased looks ;)
Actually, it's easier for me, as it works the same as my native :) You'll get there, you're a hard worker, it shows :)
The "formal you" itself can never mean "they". However, all the forms of the "formal you" (for 2nd person singular and plural) are "borrowed" from the German word used for 3rd person plural ("they") which is exactly the same word (and uses exactly the same verbal endings) with the sole difference of not being capitalized (except for at the beginning of a sentence, which results in ambiguities). Historically a plural form was to chosen to address persons formally (which can be found in many languages; some choose 2nd person plural, some 3rd person).
sie sind, with a lower case s in sie, is third-person plural, "they are". It would need an upper-case S to be the formal you. "Sie sind".
Granted, at the beginning of a sentence, or in a verbal conversation, it could be either they or the formal you, but the context of the conversation will help you know which one it means.