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Why are people in the Netherlands called "Dutch"?

Miffy the white cartoon bunny holds up the Netherlands flag

Several of my posts are inspired by questions I have that I've gone to investigate and ensuing discovers I wanted to share. And this is certainly one of them.

I was trying to figure out which demonym (see below) to use for Carl Buijis, a Dutch man who re-popularized the term "cisgender" back in 1995. He was from the Netherlands and I couldn't recall how to refer to him.

Apparently, the word I was looking for was "Dutch". But, my next question was "Why? That doesn't sound at all like a derivative of "Dutch"

A demonym is any name derived from a place. The word “demonym” was coined by Paul Dickson, an editor at Merriam-Webster, in his 1997 book Labels for Locals. Californian, Frenchmen, New Yorker, and Swiss are all demonyms.

In some cases, the demonym preceded the place name. For example, Finland is the place where the Finns live, just as Germany is the place where the Germans live. The people came before the official government and place name. (Parts of what we call Germany was called Prussia until 1932.)

Now, what about the Dutch? There are three terms we need to define: Holland, the Netherlands, and Dutch. In Old English dutch simply meant “people or nation.” (This also explains why Germany is called Deutschland in German.) Over time, English-speaking people used the word Dutch to describe people from both the Netherlands and Germany. (At that point in time, in the early 1500s, the Netherlands and parts of Germany, along with Belgium and Luxembourg, were all part of the Holy Roman Empire.) Specifically the phrase “High Dutch” referred to people from the mountainous area of what is now southern Germany. “Low Dutch” referred to people from the flatlands in what is now the Netherlands. Within the Holy Roman Empire, the word “Netherlands” was used to describe people from the low-lying (nether) region (land). The term was so widely used that when they became a formal, separate country in 1815, they became the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The word “Holland” literally meant “wood-land” in Old English and originally referred to people from the northern region of the Netherlands. Over time, it came to apply to the entire country. Got all that?

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June 21, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Myrrael

https://www.quest.nl/artikel/waarom-heten-wij-the-dutch ( Short and simple. )

https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/dutch/ ( More indepth. )

'Dietsch betekende eigenlijk 'van het volk' (of, iets ruimer, 'volkstaal'); het is afgeleid van het Middelnederlandse woord diet, dat 'volk' of 'lieden' betekende.'

In short (and in English), Dutch comes from Dietsch, which came from diet, which meant 'people'.

June 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Repelsteeltje

Holland does only mean the provinces of Noord- and Zuid-Holland. This was the territory of the former Earls of Holland. But for commercial reasons it had become the export identity of the entire country of the Netherlands.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fire-ergens

'Dutch' is derived from Diets, which is what we used to call our language a long time ago. Nowadays it is 'Nederlands'. We call ourselves 'Nederlanders' (Netherlanders, you could say). The country is 'Nederland' which is part of 'het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden' (the Kingdom of the Netherlands)

Holland shou;dn't be used to refer to the entirety of the country, as the word only applies to two of the twelve provinces. In fact, it can be rather offensive to people to use 'Holland' to refer to the Netherlands.The same goes for calling a Dutch person who isn't from Holland a 'Hollander'. The degree to which people will be offended genrally depends per province, region and person, but it's not recommended to test it.

About 'Low Dutch' and 'High Dutch'. It's a bit confusing to me. High Dutch being used to refer to Southern Germany and Low Dutch to what is now the Netherlands? I don't know, it just doesn't fit. From what I know, it's actually High German that's used to refer to the language spoken in the mountainous South and Low German/Saxon for the flat North. This may also just be another incident of the whole Dutch/Duits/Deutsch confusion. Although, it could also be that they used the word 'Diets' for Dutch, German and Low Saxon, which could explain this confusing tidbit!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IsakNygren1

Low German (plattdeutsch) is also closer to Dutch than to High German.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/erikvanrosmalen

A classic everybody might already now, but maybe informative, concerning the Holland versus The Netherlands-discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Demonym281

Presumably words like duchy, duchess etc come from the same root, although I can't find confirmation of it online


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/baerghest

I don't think so. These word go back to Latin "dux" meaning leader, through the medieval Latin title "dux bellum", war leader, back to the Latin verb "ducere", to lead. The German word "Herzog" has a similar origin, meaning "army leader", from "Her", army.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Myrrael

Interesant. Dat verklaart ook de oorsprong van het woord 'hertog'. :)

Interesting. That also explains the origin of the word 'hertog'. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Helena295273

"The word “Holland” literally meant “wood-land” in Old English and originally referred to people from the northern region of the Netherlands. Over time, it came to apply to the entire country."

I don't know if it's correct but I heard that many imported goods were produced in the South or North Holland provinces and therefore labeled with "Made in Holland". Because of that the Netherlands became widely known as Holland.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Findyisthebest

If English truly is a Germanic language why don’t we say Dutchland referring to Deutschland, and not Germany?

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