https://www.duolingo.com/Jeremy114182

Anyone else REALLY like the level test-out update?

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Thanks, Duolingo team!

I've discovered the new feature that lets one jump a level after passing an appropriately strict accuracy/understanding test, and I love it! I think this effectively eliminates the need to "grind" lessons (do them over and over) one already knows just to get to the more challenging exercises, while still preserving the gradual concept introduction that the crowns update was designed for. Certainly a step towards more effective language learning, in my opinion. What do you all think?

Now we just need the reintroduction of guided spaced repetition without using duome.eu. ;)

6/24/2018, 3:19:45 AM

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Not adding a test out feature was a bad idea and a mistake that was making it hard to stay with Duolingo. I am glad they listened to our feedback this time.

6/24/2018, 5:39:46 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/fallingleaf_271

Oh yeah! No more doing a lesson 24-96 times to reach crown level 5! : ) : ) : )

6/24/2018, 3:50:17 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

I am glad I didn't waste time on the basic skills. instead of spending literally hours getting to crown 5 it was more like 15 mins, test out a few times and done.

No need to repeat "I am an apple" 96 times

6/24/2018, 1:16:53 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/betsys2003
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Yep! I had not bothered to try to get my lower skills to gold. I'd been doing an occasional review but no concerted effort. Others whined about the boredom so I figured I just don't care. And now I just jumped them all to gold in a few minutes. :)

6/24/2018, 3:40:17 PM

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I have just discovered I have this, too. It's a considerable improvement in that one need only take a few tests in a skill to unlock timed practice. Thank you for pointing it out!

Out of interest, does anyone know what happens if you fail the shortcut test? Does it only give a limited number of attempts before forcing you to go the long way round, as was the case in the old 'test-out' feature, or can you keep trying indefinitely?

6/24/2018, 4:37:44 AM

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I have not observed there to be a limit on attempts. Then again, I also had not observed there to be a limit under the prior test-out system.

6/24/2018, 6:22:47 AM

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If I recall correctly, the limit was three failures per test-out under the old system, whereupon the icon disappeared and one could only go through all the lessons. Of course, as with anything on here, it might not have been the same for all users.

6/25/2018, 6:48:39 AM

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Sounds like anybody who encountered limits before would be well-advised to take my experience with a very large grain of salt.

6/25/2018, 8:04:36 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Centrasota

Yes, it's great! I hope they keep it. I just saw and used it today; it solidifies the improvements of the crown system without the sense of desolation in seeing that some basic lesson has 20 lessons to the next level. Is there somewhere we can vote on these additions?

6/24/2018, 6:01:07 AM

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A voting system would be a great addition. I think for the moment, the only "votes" of ours Duolingo actually counts are our account deletions.

6/26/2018, 12:10:58 AM

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I like it, it's really great :D

6/24/2018, 6:44:44 AM

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Yes, Je l'aime, mais that was not available on android yet. But still thumbs up.

6/24/2018, 5:44:54 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/betsys2003
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Yeah. It's especially helpful for when they update a tree, and someone who's at a high level suddenly has easy lessons. I don't have the updated Spanish tree yet, but I anticipate using it for some of the earlier levels once I get there.

6/24/2018, 3:37:35 PM

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This is great. I am now able to continue my German and Italian trees, frozen at level 3/4 since the crowns appeared two months,go. Love you Duolingo.

6/24/2018, 3:46:09 PM

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Whoopee!

6/24/2018, 4:13:57 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Quattrostelle

Yes, except that the tests don't really get harder (e.g. when testing out of level 5, as compared to level 3), largely because the vocabulary is recycled for each. It would be more fun/meaningful if testing out of level 5 was truly more difficult.

6/24/2018, 4:27:32 AM

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Quite true!

I've got pretty basic sentences in level 5 such as 'The color is green'.

And a vast number of sentences are repeated in every skill level.

6/24/2018, 6:13:12 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Quattrostelle

I think this is because they foisted the crown system onto preexisting courses. The courses could be redesigned for the crown system and work better. Imagine if the course developer could earmark vocabulary for different crown levels such that the vocabulary became steadily more "advanced". For instance, for Animals you would progressively work from more basic to more obscure animals as you went up (from Level 1 to 5). So at Level 1 you'd have cat, dog, mouse whereas at Level 5 you'd have weasel, cheetah, and eel.

6/24/2018, 6:57:54 AM

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Making the difficulty about additional new vocabulary is unfeasible. A contributor explains why here. However, there are plenty of other ways to ratchet up difficulty: incorporating more advanced grammatical structures (more diverse tenses, moods, cases, etc.), using vocabulary from earlier in the tree learners might not have seen in a while, not to mention more translation into the target language.

This naturally means that the earliest skills will remain the most constrained, for there the inventory of both vocab and grammar is highly circumscribed. I imagine Duo fully expects the new skill quiz-outs to be most frequently employed for such skills.

6/24/2018, 7:13:15 AM

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Yeah, the best they can do is tree updates, or possibly make new vocabulary for higher levels while the trees are in the incubator but expecting them to add that much vocabulary to every course is unreasonable

6/24/2018, 10:21:42 AM

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A contributor explains why here.

[FEATURE REQUEST]: The Incubator should provide a 1-5 / 5+ scale sentence DEFAULT difficulty rating: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27146459

6/24/2018, 4:53:10 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/KaptianKaos8
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No lo tengo. :'(

6/24/2018, 11:12:54 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/andrewadamsz

I have a hard time feeling grateful for this. Even with the Test Out feature, Duolingo is basically asking me to spend hours telling it, one lesson at a time, what level I'm at. It seems incredible that this couldn't have been transferred to a greater extent from the previous system. I had a gold, completed tree and a streak of over a year, and yet Duolingo makes me do 5 tests worth of "yo soy un niƱo"? The new system might be good for beginners, but for me, there are better ways for me to spend my limited practice time. It's a shame.

6/25/2018, 4:58:40 AM

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I had a gold, completed tree

Yes, but only in the old version of the Spanish language tree.
Now, you have the new version of the Spanish course with new words and sentences.

  • In the teaching method before the crowns, you would also have lost your "golden owl" and "golden tree". And each updated skill would be gold after 1 "test out of" or after doing all the new lessons (1-6). But the strenght of that skill would decay very fast, so you would also have to repeat it.
  • In the "crown" method you can reach "crown level" 5 in just 5 times "test out of" the individual skill and that skill will be gold forever (unless it will get an update in the next version of the course (about 5 years?))
6/25/2018, 9:17:26 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/andrewadamsz

This is fine and good if you think of Duolingo as a game, and accomplishing its goals as beating the game, but as far as learning a language goes, spending time just telling Duolingo what I already know (and that it used to know that I knew) just isn't productive.

6/25/2018, 3:31:04 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/NuriaHarket

I can't find how to do what you explain :( Is it available on the app, on the website version or both? Takk!

6/25/2018, 6:28:17 PM

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I love the new test-out feature! I was determined to get to level 5 on everything bit by bit, but I'd get to the point where I felt like I'd have to chew my leg off to escape, especially on the basic stuff which was already like watching paint dry. Thank you! Mwah! Mwah!

6/25/2018, 8:25:22 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo
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Now on Android

6/29/2018, 3:34:17 AM

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How to access the tests if you can't see the keys: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27797518

6/28/2018, 3:37:52 AM
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