https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Are you trying to say something but you still using Portuguese. Why?

I have been looking for articles that could be interesting, but I don't understand why people still communicate using their main language, Portuguese.

I am talking about people that are learning English, but post content in Portuguese.

If you really want to learn, try reading, writing and make mistakes. Remember that it is part of the process. It is part of the learning process.

Kindly

June 24, 2018

32 Comentários


https://www.duolingo.com/Alternativapet

Contrariando sua opinião, mas respeitando, eu acho que existe muitas razões para que isso aconteça. Timidez, medo, falta de conhecimento, e principalmente falta de respeito de muitos. Vejamos: Quer queira ou não, nós seres humanos estamos divididos em grupos de grau de instrução, cultura, classe social, financero e etc.. Estes grupos estão misturados no mundo e separados por conveniência de cada um. O nível de aprendizado de cada um independe daquele número que esta no nosso Duolingo e eu vejo que as pessoas que postam alguma coisa em Inglês, são exatamente as que tem um certo conhecimento da lingua, é raro você ver alguém iniciante tentar escrever algo. Quando algum iniciante tenta escrever alguma coisa básica e erra, ele simplesmente é deixado de lado sem uma palavra de apoio ou ajuda. (claro que não são todos, e que tem pessoas que não aceitam ajuda) mas isso desanima e não contribui para o aprendizado desta pessoa. Por isso que existe as tais de "cotas" que são uma maneira de forçar a unificação do que deveria ser uma coisa natural. Eu não me sinto encorajado (ainda) a postar alguma coisa em inglês e apesar de estar no nível 20, eu tenho muitas dificuldades de gravar certas lições. Tenho 64 anos, tenho desvio de atenção e não estou disposto a passar por um constrangimento de me ver ignorado por alguns e com isso contribuir para a minha desistencia, a minha idade e a minha cabeça não aceitaria isso. Abraços camarada, desculpe o "textão".

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi and thank you for spending time sharing your thoughts. I disagree in certain points. Of course, everyone has a way to learn, but my point is about the motivation, and how you are studying. If you don't try and make mistakes you never will learn. Mistake is part of the learn process. I know you are 64 years old and you have your limitation, but you can still try. It is important to feel comfortable, but in my opnion is it more important feel uncomfortable. Think about it!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ruel-Stroud

Se tem algo que não tem risco é falar inglês errado, os nativos não costumam corrigir ninguém nem se incomodam, diferente do pessoal da frança ou da alemanha que são bem incisivos para com erros. O que é bom quanto a evitar situações constrangedoras mas ao mesmo tempo ruim pois a pessoa nunca vai perceber os erros.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

It's true! In France they are less friendly with travelers that make mistakes.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LaninhaMSR

Caracas! Vamos ser amigos Alternative? : )

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/retatu

The best hour to make mistake is now. So, try it and don't worry.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree! I always say that. The best time to make mistake is now! Have a nice day!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ruel-Stroud

The secret is to change everything, the language of the computer, google's language, the searches on the internet in general to the target language.

And the secret to use google translator is to write in the target language or at most trying to do so. English to portuguese, it helps to perceiv some mistakes.

Whatch videos in english of native speakers, read children's books and keep it going to improve.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/WarsawWill

Meu tablet principal está em português (sou falante de inglês), meu celular está em italiano, tenho um segundo tablet em francés. Faz para uma vida interessante.

O que você diz sobre os erros e falantes de inglês: nós estamos muitos acostumados a estrangeiros falar inglês, isso é a razão. De fato muito mais não nativos falam inglês do que nativos. Talvez seja também porque temos muitas variações de inglês. Só na GB temos muitos dialetos, mesmo com diferenças gramaticáis.

E o que importante para nós não é os pequenos erros comuns, como não usar o "s" da 3a pessoa, usar o tempo errado ou falar de "informations" etc.

Não, o erro maior para nós é de não estar educado o suficiente quando pidendo coisas. Em muitas maneiras inglês é uma língua muito direto, mas não quando vem a pedir coisas. Tuve uma estudante espanhola quem costumava brincar que em espanhol ela diria a uma pessoa na rua, "Hola, donde está la estación", mas em inglês precisa dizer "Excuse me, I wonder if you could tell me where the station is?". Ela exagerava um pouco, mas é verdade que, geralmente "please" não é suficiente (e está melhor no final), o que precisamos é muitos "cans", "coulds" e "woulds". ;)

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ruel-Stroud

I love it when a non-native writes Portuguese by himself it is cool.

I study Japanese through English and the rules of politeness in English are so simple if compared with Japanese that one uses a word in English to describe 10 Japanese politeness words.

Compared to other regions I do not feel pressured by English about I'm being rude unintentionally, as you well told your country have so many non-native speakers speaking your language that you are already accustomed to strange constructions with the language.

I have fear of French people, hahaha, some of them are hysterical with grammar and they agree:

DUO

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Thank you very much for spending your time sharing your thoughts! I am going to answer you in my own language, so you can practice. By the way, congratulations and thank you for those words.

O mesmo acontece no Português no Brasil. As pessoas não vão ligar se você fala errado, mas sim como você transmitirá a mensagem. Na verdade, as pessoas acham fofinho (cute) quando um estrangeiro fala errado, mas está tentando de qualquer forma.

É bem verdade, e é uma preocupação minha quando as pessoas não corrigem. Você super se achando que está falando tudo muito bem, mas não. Há muitas pessoas no Brasil que viajam para o exterior para aprender o Inglês e ainda voltam cometendo erros básicos como pedir um copo com água.

Há é claro, como você mencionou particularidades da lingua que, é mais o nível cultural. Para nós latinos é suficiente um "por favor, você poderia me informar". A palavra "poderia" também tem o contexto formal nesse caso. Mas serial totalmente tranquilo (aceitável) dizer "Você pode me dizer ou informar onde fica...?" a palavra mágica "por favor" deve está dentro da frase.

Essas particularidades que você mencionou só poderá ser "aprendida" com uma imersão cultural.

O ponto que quis trazer é mais com relação a como as pessoas se propõe a aprender um idioma sem tentar "imergir" na cultura, no caso proposto, o Inglês.

Parabéns pelo texto, poucos erros e a mensagem foi transmitida.

Many thanks and enjoy your day buddy!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Alternativapet

Bem pessoal, aprendi muitas coisas com esta postagem e agradeço a todos por isso. Peço desculpas se fui grosseiro, a intenção com certeza não foi esta. Mais uma vez obrigado, vou seguir as dicas que obtive aqui.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

I didn't see no rude signal. And don't worry we are exchanging knowledge. You have to be happy, right? Free information! It is all about experience, I can say. Keep doing your best and next time I want to see you writing English around. Good night!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LaninhaMSR

Você foi incrível! Me representa!

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Thank you! You can also do the same thing. @LaninhaMSR

I hope I've motivated you.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LeoM97

I totally agree with you. But I understand people that may be afraid of trying, I think is all about time, after some time of learning some fears will deseaper. Personally, I like to be uncomfortable, like cometying wrongs, been corrected. Thats why i'm here in this coments section right now, to training how to express my opnions and thoughs in english and learn more with my mistakes.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi! Thank you for spending time sharing your thoughts! That's the way. You need to feel uncomfortable, that's the key word. You are in the right direction, I could say. In this journey, remember read a lot, taking notes and practice your listening. Enjoy your day buddy!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LeoM97

I apreciate you, bro. That make me feel more confident to keep on my grind to the improvement. Have a good day, too!

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/RafaLeon14

My current level allows me to write in English so I try to do that as much as I can. This, of course, doesn't prevent me to make mistakes sometimes but I feel that I improve my communication skills and my vocabulary everytime I write in English because I "force" myself to think in the language in order to write something. However, I understand when beginners and intermediate students just use their native language instead of English. In most cases, they are afraid of making mistakes and being misunderstood. I just think that since this is an educational forum, we shouldn't be afraid to be judged by others. We could even learn a lot more from corrections and "real conversations" than just doing lessons and seeking external websites and study plans.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts and supporting me. That's very good feel confident. Keep working hard and doing your best. Good luck!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/RicardoOli238922

I agree with you! Currently, I'm trying to practice my English and writing for me is one of the best ways, because just watching movies and Tv shows I'm listening new words, but, writing I can use every words that I know, and improve my vocabulary too. Make mistakes is part of the process.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Very good start, that's the way to go. Good luck!

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/EadWeardi

I agree with that, if we are learning another language, we must use it all the time.it's not easy but if you continue you'll see that it gets easier over time and it seems much better to write and understand everything, we need to forget our native language and begin to use the language we're learning if we really want to learn it

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/andreyssor

This topic can be a "tapa na cara" in the face of those who do that. But it's true. It's not bad to force ourself to grow up in the language learning.

We have to enjoy here, on this moment, to make mistakes and to learn with that.

This topic is just awesome. Without wanted, it bring up to surface 5 great tips:

1) Change everything - the language of the computer, smartphone, tablets, google's language, etc...

2) English-Portuguese - and not the reverse when using a translator, like Google Translator.

3) Don't be afraid of make mistakes - be talking or be writing, go on. Generally the natives would not going to correct you. Understand you are under construction.

4) Watch English videos and read Children's books - there isn't must be so hard to find both of them availables.

5) Write in English not in Portuguese - from now on I'll think a thousand times before write in Portuguese.

Good topic, I'll write it down.

Thanks dude!

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi Andrey, what's up? Thank you for spending your time and sharing your thoughts! Great tips you have left here. So, English student have to feel comfortable before start to write, but I see also that people don't like to make mistakes. The thing is that, you have to learn to make mistakes.

A little thing is, English students also don't understand that Google translator doesn't work, because it is thinking for you and something with wrong results. It takes time, but keep reading in English and practicing your listening and in time you see improviment.

I see you around!

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/WarsawWill

I think it is fair enough that the comments pages are in the "from" language. But what you could do is to do the course in reverse, and write comments there in English. By definition, you are an expert in Portuguese, and your English looks pretty good, so you could help English speakers with their Portuguese.

I think I've made over a thousand comments on Portuguese-based courses, nearly all in Portuguese. It's my way of practising.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi and thanks for sharing your thoughts! It's an approach! But maybe you feel comfortable doing that.

June 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/KassiaBeat2

I think who you are right , but we must always do this, my english will better

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi! Nice try! If you keep practicing, your English will get better. Enjoy your day!

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Tiago-J

Are you rigth man. People native say, listen to everything in english.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mickael349790

Nice post. I agree with what you said, but some cause the person doesn´t feel comfortable with his/her skills in the language that him/her is learning.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/absilva7

Hi, thanks for sharing your thoughts! It is full understandable. We have to feel comfortable. But the question is when? Now is the best time to make mistake, and it is part of learning process. :)

June 28, 2018
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