https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

13 XPs per lesson?

Dear Language Co-learners,

Something is up. I usually receive 10 XPs per lesson and review when I do Duolingo Italian. Today, I have received 13 XPs for every lesson and review. I am not complaining. It is nice of course. But I am surprised. I don't understand the change. Is there some kind of system at play? Has anyone else been experiencing this? Thank you for your responses!

Best wishes, Sincerely, Matthew

June 25, 2018

83 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cchase007

I am just a little bit compulsive, as my streak and levels attest. I am currently doing 7 languages a day, and I do two lessons for 20 points in Irish, 4 lessons for 40 points in Portuguese, etc. Even when I do timed exercises, I make sure I end my day with a multiple of 10 in every language. 13 is going to drive me crazy!

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ExSquaredOver2

Just a little compulsive.. I wonder if they introduced 13XP rule to make people like you (and me) work harder because of deadly prime numbers. 10 Lessons in each language, looks like it.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

I know what you are saying. I can tell you are the kind of person who could get a little OCD about this. :) Thank you for replying. I can't believe I am replying to a real-life polyglot. I would love to learn your secrets. Stay away from dry brush and tinder by the way. That streak is dangerous!

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cchase007

I don't consider myself a polyglot, since the only language I really use is English. My Spanish is decent, and I do consider myself prepared to use and truly learn any of the others, should the opportunity arise.

The only secret is persistence. At any given time, I work on new lessons in two languages, currently Portuguese and Irish. The others I review daily until I hit level 25, at which point I "retire" them. Then I either look for opportunities to reinforce the language or reset it and start over. I'm working on my Spanish through the Spanish to Catalán course, for example, and I'm starting my second time through on Irish.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cashcass

YOUR STEAK HOWWW

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wcjerky

Take it one day at a time. The real fun begins when you are thrust into the actual countries where these languages are spoken. There is nothing quite like muttering ' Pant Quattro cinque pant per favore..' to a clerk while trying to beat a bus to its terminal in 35+ degree weather.

Most native speakers laugh, except clusters of the French. They just switch to English.

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdamVill

Same here....

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LeandroLei14

Me too! I am in the same situation!

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GregoryCasteel

Personally, I don't like it. I set daily point goals for myself that vary each day of the week according to a set pattern. So, some days I commit myself to reaching 100 points and stopping there; some days my goal is 150 points; and some days it is 200 points. I feel that following this pattern helps keep me motivated to do the work—and to do enough each week to actually be of benefit—without pushing me so hard that I burn myself out. (Those 200 point days can be tough, but I am able to get through them because I know that I can take it easy on the 100 point days.) This point change has thrown off my pattern completely. (Today my goal was 100 points; I ended up with 104.) I'll adjust in time, of course, but I don't see any real purpose or benefit to the change. It seems to be merely change for change's sake, which I find annoying. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ExSquaredOver2

I have done some experiments. 1. 13XP is awarded at both skills at crown 3 AND 4. 2. It is independent of the number of mistakes made in the lesson. You still get 13XP.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Hmm...Very interesting. My experience has been very similar. I wonder what can be going on. Thank you for your reply. I am really impressed with how many high levels you have, by the way. I can see you take your language learning seriously.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ExSquaredOver2

Nah, I have just been on Duo for quite some time. Thanks, anyway.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Good for you! What are you studying at Wellington College?

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hokuspokus77

To make this even more confusing I got 13 per lesson yesterday in a language where i am halfway down the tree and today I get 14 in a brand new language. Very strange ...

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chuparrosa38

Yes, I just experienced it too. I did 6 lessons and got 78 XPs in all instead of 60.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SeptimusHe

Me, too. I wonder if it is one of Duolingo's A/B tests they are so fond of.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Thanks for your reply. I know what you mean. I'm not fond of surprise A/B test at all, even if Duolingo is. They make everything confusing and seem unfair. I don't like having things sprung on me.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Thanks for replying and sharing your experience. I thought I might have been going crazy for a minute. I wonder what is going on.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharlesRit3

Today, July 2, 2018, DL is back to giving 10 XPs per exercise. Does anyone know the reasons for the changes?

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrahamWarr

Charles: That's odd. I'm doing Italian too. A lesson this morning gave me 13 XP, and one just now, to check, also gave 13 XP.

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/um6661138

it's not the same for everyone. i am even getting 14xp for spanish... still annoying. :/

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NancyMihalich

CharlesRit3, I'm back to getting 10 XP's per exercise, too! I tried two different trees and got 10 XP's. Sigh. It was nice while it lasted!

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

I am still getting 13 XPs per exercise as of today. I don't like all these quick changes without notice or input. You can't play a game if you don't know the rules.

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/um6661138

u can and u are- it's just annoying. : )

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fluffy-Dasher

They wanted to keep us on our toes :)

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Thank you for the update. I am still getting 13 XPs per lesson/review/untimed practice. Curious and curiouser.

July 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/handsonthewheel

Yes I have also been receiving 13 XPs per lesson today - interesting!

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharlesRit3

I'm confused too. I'm not sure that this has anything to do with streaks, crowns, or the number of times one has done a lesson. There are many lessons where I have four crowns, many where I have three crowns, and there are some lessons that I have never done. Each day I try to do three review exercises and then two or three lessons to increase my crown level in a particular part of speach. Today, I received 13 XPs for each review exercise even though I made four mistakes in one exercise, one mistake in another, and no mistakes in the third. I also received 13 XPs for completing a lesson in which I made no mistakes.

When one reads the discussions associated with the lessons, one gets the feeling that some people feel as though DL has quirks. I certainly do. I had completed all aspects of every Italian lesson up to the point where I decided that I didn't want to bother with learning the last set of complex verbs. Then DL introduced crowns and instead of having completed all those lessons, DL considered that I had completed only three fifths of each lesson; that is, three crowns out of five.

Now, all of a sudden, we receive 13 XPs per exercise or lesson. Why 13? Why not 12.5? The number 12.5 is a nice factor of 25, 50, and 100: numbers for which some (compulsive?) people might strive. Who wants to strive for 39 or 91? So, it's another quirk. I find DL useful, but its quirks can be annoying.

By the way, does anyone know what has happened to levels? They obviously are reported with each person's comments, but DL no longer reports the required number of XPs to reach the next level. Now that one receives 13 XPs per exercise/level, does one reach the next level sooner?

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Martha112199

The XP needed to reach the next level shows up on My Profile (hover over your userid and you'll see the drop down).

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharlesRit3

Mine shows my current level and how many XPs that I have. It used to show how many XPs were required for the next level, but that information disappeared with the introduction of crowns.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShadowSquid

Mine still has it....

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leighforbes

Check out https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/1358479 and scroll down to Fantomius's reply (about a third of the way down) for the most informative reply!

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CharlesRit3

Thanks. That seems to explain it. Apparently level 25 is the highest level, so once one reaches that level there is no need to show how many XPs are needed for the next level.

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NancyMihalich

Yes! I was so surprised to get 13 points instead of the regular 10 points! I was on Crown Level 2 and received 13 points with no mistakes. Then a Duolingo Documentary: Something Like Home popped up. I did another lesson and got another 13 points. So, I went to a different language and got 13 points for each lesson. I think I made one mistake. By the way, the Duolingo Documentary is good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcX6i2qp6w0

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fluffy-Dasher

It's strange! I personally prefer 10 xp per lesson because I can keep track of my lessons I do in Russian more easily. Like "oh, I got 60 xp today, so I did 6 lessons today. " a strange update to be sure =^= but I don't mind! I'll just divide everything by 13

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/murcat1

I agree with you. I have always received 10xp per lesson and I liked the system the way it was. Everytime you get used to the way Duo works they switch things around, I find it rather discouraging.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fluffy-Dasher

I can see how that feels. For me, it's only a minor inconvenience and as long as it doesn't mess with the content of the language course itself in a negative way, I'll be willing to tolerate it

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ariaflame

I'm still getting 10 points on the iOS app, but that might just not have updated yet.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CriaCrabling

I noticed that, too! I got 13 XP for each review I did today and it's going to drive me crazy haha, I don't like odd numbers. It's nice to get more XP, though. I just wish I understood the system behind it!

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Macossay

Yep. I'm working my way through level four. I did four lessons today. The first two lessons earned 10 points each, then the next two earned 13 each. I can't think of any reason for this. I suspect it is just a quirk in the system, or perhaps some programmer decided on an arbitrary number of points per level and had to add extra points to some lessons to make the total come out.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pbgoodguy

Desktop apps and iphone apps are working differently for me. with desktop app I get 10 questions and 13 xps and with iphone app I get 15 questions and 10 xps. Does Duolingo have an answer?

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ged92781

Personally, I really like this change. It takes the focus off of how many lessons I've done and makes me look at leveling-up instead. It also makes me look at completing units to get closer to the end of the course.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NancyMihalich

I like that philosophy! I like this change because I'm trying to reach Level 25 in two languages. Even though I have the completed trees, I'm working on the new Crown System. The extra 3 points will help!

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tommy129593

Does a Duo Lingo staff member have an actual answer to why this is happening?

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/juliolco

I have noticed this too, but i don't know why. Maybe it is related with the number of times you have completed the lesson. In the next time, we can recieve 14 XPs That is the only reason that i have imagined

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Thanks for your reply. That is an interesting supposition. I am not sure though, because I did one lesson from a section I had two crowns in, one lesson from a section I had one crown in, one lesson from a new section, and then clicked the practice button and practiced without a timer. For each of these lessons I earned 13 XPs. When I clicked the practice button, and practiced with a timer though, I got more XPs, that is to say as many as items I answered correctly, just as usual.

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShadowSquid

Just wondering...The timer function seems to have disappeared for me. Is there another way to access it? - It disappeared after the Crowns update.

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MacMenezes21

Ciao! I think this happens when you've got a streak in a exercise... For example 5 in a row, you should get extra XP...

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

Thanks for replying, MacMenezes21. That is an interesting theory. It sounds fair, and I think that would be good. I'm not sure it matches up with my experience today though. What has your experience been? What languages are you leaning by the way? What is your native language?

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MattBrick82

MacMenezes21, by the way, you are a beast with those XPs! Wow, you're doing over time on here. You are going to be really good at whatever you are learning. How many XPs do you usually earn in a given day? What is your goal for moving through the levels and the tree?

June 25, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MacMenezes21

My native language is portuguese and I've been studying English for a long time, but I've lost my Google account and started again. On Italian, I'm trying to keep a goal around 200 ~500 xp considering my busy routine. On English I did a test to jump over 48 units, for this reason I got a great XP, and now I'm doing tests on each unit to improve my skills... What about you?

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judy_Blue_Eyes

I noticed that today.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chuparrosa38

Is it possible that it's just a bug in the system?

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CathyComma

I thought so last night, but now it appears to be a feature.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ariaflame

Whereas I remembered back to the days when we had hearts and you got up to 13 points if you didn't make any mistakes. Here it seems to be 13 no matter what. Eh, I can count in multiples of 13 if necessary.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arthurcoddington

It may be an attempt to unite the point systems on mobile and web. On the mobile app, I get anywhere from 10-15 points depending on how many mistakes I make. Up until recently, those bonus 5 points were not in play on the website.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Xia267

Yup, I'm getting 13 xp when practicing.

Wonder why duolingo didn't do 15 instead.....

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamisonR

It really messed with my head because today is my big "complete the tree" day so I thought it was related to finishing lesson 66 of 66. I have noticed that people with older accounts have XP that are not multiples of 10, so it seems to me that this is not the first time this has happened.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ellen_ofarrell

Timed practice used to give you 1 xp per correct answer so all sorts of random numbers were possible.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leighforbes

And there was me, stuck with +7 for two years! If only I'd known this any time before this week!

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TimK77777

One could get single digit XPs when chatting with chatbots (when they were available in mobile app). Also currently Stories award 2XP for each correct answer.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leighforbes

We used to get 10XP for new lessons, and 3-9 (I think) for strengthening lessons. It switched over to 10XP for everything about 2 years ago.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Narmit

Yes, it started happening to me yesterday, what is going on?

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cristoforoooo

13 is a lucky number to Italians, so I'll take it. Also, it takes 15k xp just to reach level 20, and another 15k to reach 25, so gimmie gimmie, the more the merrier =)

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zackattack95

I've noticed this as well, I thought at first it had something to do with me using my streak freeze and resuming a lesson the next day but I guess not. I am a bit OCD about my points being in 10s

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chuparrosa38

Why hasn't Duolingo made an official announcement?

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Steve442199

I was getting 13 points yesterday, but now I am only getting 10 again.

Is this true for everybody?

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Steve442199

Oh hang on - just did a lesson on the web based version and got 13 points again, but I was only getting 10 points on the app on the ipad...

Obviously I’m either side of the A/B test and getting different points dependant on whether I log onto the app or the website

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/timschnittke

If you complete the tests to pass to the next level, then it will give you the remaining points in multiples of ten (I just passed a few tests and got 60 points on one, 250 points on another, etc.). It seems to me that Duolingo wants to reward you for going through the courses at a slower pace, one lesson at a time. So they do this by giving you three extra points per lesson. If you go through the trees by passing all of the tests, you will get through it faster, but with fewer points than if you go through in a more thorough manner.

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marghvran

I've had this feature for about three days now. In my experience this sort of development is normal. Duolingo regularly changes the rules of the game while you are playing it. It does not explain why. One possibility is that Duo is trying to manipulate it's own Internet traffic statistics. The more time spent on the site, the greater the advertising revenue.

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Duckiemaster

I thought that it was kinda cool at first but it's still annoying that it takes three lessons to get my goal of thirty even though i probably would do way more than that anyway.

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cashcass

SAME

June 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jill582705

I'm back to 10 XPs per lesson today. It's infuriating not knowing what is going on!

July 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shygirl7

Looks like either 13 or 14 here, possibly depending on whether it is a higher crown level for that lesson? And it seems they haven't changed Welsh yet, that was still 10 today anyway.

June 26, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/corinnerl

On Monday, when I installed Duolingo on my new mobile phone, I was prompted with treasure chests and asked to select one. After this I get 13 XPs per lesson. I have nover seen the chests when doing duolingo on the PC.

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dru_Morgan

Yes, the chests are on the app - but even if you hit your goal on the PC, you should go to the app after that and collect your chests/lingots

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/corinnerl

Thank you for the hint about going to the app. I am using Duolingo on my PC 99,99% of the time. Only when I am afraid, that I will not be home in time to meet my daily goal prior to midnight, I use my smartphone.

June 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ariaflame

Chests have been there for a while. It's not linked to the 13 XP

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/um6661138

i am so ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ annoyed by this change. i rēd all the comments in this thread and no one seems to know why the XP has changed to 13. surely DL knew people would ask why, so.....?

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/InvincibleDL

I always got 10 XP per day and then when they suddenly changed it to 13 XP i was like wait what happened? Then i thought maybe you get more the more you level up but if everybody here has the same then i really wanna know why they changed this! I mean like what even is the point of a 10 XP daily goal if you get 13 XP in once? My daily goal is 50 XP so if i do 4 lessons instead of 5 i now get 52 XP!

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dru_Morgan

If you use the app on your phone, it can give up to 15 per lesson depending on mistakes you make - also you can get 2 points for posting in target language in your club discussions

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Carlo_Sam

I became surprised from which solution of Schrodinger equation this number (13) came out.

June 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GrahamWarr

il suo gatto?

June 27, 2018
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