https://www.duolingo.com/arekolek

Irritating redirections

I find the choice of the target pages you get redirected to after quitting and completing a skill practice irritating. They should be swapped!

Right now this is the case, when you choose a skill, then strengthen [skill], then either practice without a timer or start timed practice:

  • if you click Quit during the practice, you get redirected to your homepage with the skill tree
  • if you complete the practice and click Continue, you get redirected to the page of the skill you have just strengthened

It should be the opposite, ie. if you quit you should get to the skill page and if you succeed you should get to the homepage. Here's why:

  • I quit because either I chose timed practice accidentally instead of normal practice (or vice versa), or I lost many hearts in first exercises and just want a fresh start
  • I don't see any reason I would want to use the quit button to get to the home page
  • There's currently no way to get back to the skill page mid-practice
  • If I want to leave practice and go to Home, Discussion, Immersion or whatever I can click the respective button in top navigation
  • After completing the practice, if you want to practice the skill more, you would click practice again instead of continue, so it is certain that if someone clicked continue he doesn't want to practice this skill any more
  • No matter if I managed to strengthen the skill or not, then redirecting to the skill page makes no sense, because there's nothing for me to do there (either it's full strength or I don't want to practice it any more)
  • After practising one skill, I probably want to strengthen other skills, so redirecting me to the homepage would be a good idea, because it saves me from waiting for one page to load just so I can click to go to the homepage to see the skill tree

This thing is like a papercut, might not seem like a big deal, but you'd hate it to happen every day.

April 28, 2014

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

I really dislike that after completing a lesson I am directed to the home page. I often just 'click though', and would love to be able just to start a new lesson right away.
As far a quitting a lesson and being directed to the homepage, my guess is DL is trying to not to encourage this behavior. That if you 'quit' a lesson, it must be because you picked the wrong lesson, not because you are trying to start over because of loss of hearts.
I rarely restart a lesson, but F5 (or refreshing the page) is an easy way to restart a lesson without the trouble of quitting.

April 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/arekolek

I really dislike that after completing a lesson I am directed to the home page. I often just 'click though', and would love to be able just to start a new lesson right away.

I don't get this part of your post. Are you talking about a lesson or about strengthening the whole skill? I'm talking about the latter in my post. Also I don't get redirected to the homepage in this case.

As far a quitting a lesson and being directed to the homepage, my guess is DL is trying to not to encourage this behavior. That if you 'quit' a lesson, it must be because you picked the wrong lesson, not because you are trying to start over because of loss of hearts.

This argument is invalid.

First, instead of quitting I could still just type gibberish and lose the last heart. So there's little reason to try to discourage giving up in such an indirect way, with the side effect of causing an inconvenience for the people who just chose timed practice when they wanted normal practice. If there's any reason to discourage giving up at all. Also you mentioned yourself that there's currently an easier way to quit and restart, by refreshing the page.

Secondly, quitting because you picked the wrong skill? How would that happen? You would have to first click the wrong skill in the tree (why?), then miss the name of the skill one more time on the skill page (how?), then somehow realise it is the wrong skill after being presented with the exercises. But I'd think people practice whatever is weak, and not "Past Perfect" because they like it but then confuse it with "Future" and realise only after they see a sentence.

I rarely restart a lesson, but F5 (or refreshing the page) is an easy way to restart a lesson without the trouble of quitting.

Refreshing the page is doing the wrong thing itself https://www.duolingo.com/comment/2769577

It's very unintuitive that refreshing the page discards your progress and takes you back to the practice page. It would never occur to me to refresh the page if I wanted to restart the practice.

April 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

I don't get this part of your post. Are you talking about a lesson or about strengthening the whole skill? I'm talking about the latter in my post. Also I don't get redirected to the homepage in this case.

I'm talking about when you are doing 'Strengthen Skills' exercise. If you just keep enter when you are done, it will end up taking you to the home page. If you don't get any answers correct (timed practice) 'Go Back Home' is the secondary option and 'Restart' is the automatic option (if you keep hitting enter, you will restart the lesson, not go to the home page). However, if you get at least one answer correct, the primary option is 'Continue' (which takes you to the home page) and the secondary option is 'Practice again'. This can really mess up your flow when doing a Timed Exercise.

This argument is invalid.

Possibly, but that's just the impression I get from DL.

Refreshing the page is doing the wrong thing itself

Well, that's just another user's opinion. And regardless, it is a semi-solution to the problem.

April 28, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/arekolek

I'm talking about when you are doing 'Strengthen Skills' exercise.

I'm talking about strengthening one particular skill. Not all the skills.

Anyway, that wouldn't be a problem of where the redirection takes you, but what's the default option. Because what you propose is what, both "Continue" and "Practice again" take you to a page where you can practice again? :)

Well, that's just another user's opinion. And regardless, it is a semi-solution to the problem.

If I said "Refreshing the page when looking at a Facebook profile should not redirect you to Facebook homepage", would you call it "just a user's opinion"? I call it a standard.

April 29, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/wazzie

I'm talking about strengthening one particular skill. Not all the skills.

But I was.. I was adding my experience to the conversation.

Because what you propose is what, both "Continue" and "Practice again" take you to a page where you can practice again? :)

Absolutely not. In a perfect world the options would be consistent with the click through option being 'Practice again' and the secondary option being 'Return to home', but I would be happy with 'Practice again' being the main option and 'Continue' (which I already mentioned re-directs you home) being the secondary.

I call it a standard.

Viewing a website with distinct pages is different from a webpage using AJAX or dynamic loading.

April 29, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Portofan

Generally yes, but I'd like to have it simpler: after finishing a lesson, no matter how (success, failure, quit) I'd like to be where I was before, on the skill page. I think this is the logical and expected behaviour.

April 29, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/arekolek

Probably nobody from the staff reads those posts, but anyway can you elaborate on why is that logical and expected?

April 29, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Portofan

In a hierarchical navigation system you should not change location unexpectedly, only when requested explicitly. After exiting from a lesson, the last location where you were is the skill page.

April 30, 2014
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