Life After Level 25 in Both the English to French and the French to English Trees!
Bonjour à tous!
I'll make this short and sweet: I completed my French to English tree (as many would call, the "reverse tree") to level 25 early today! And, as the title says, I completed the English to French tree a while ago.
Now for the not short and sweet:
As many of you may know, Duolingo doesn't make you fluent after finishing a tree, so it is good to have other resources to go to after and during your time with the program. After level 25 of English to French, I stopped that tree and continued to the reverse tree. Now that I'm level 25 with both, I stopped both and will now continue with other resources.
And here are some quick facts in case anyone is curious:
It took more than a year to complete English to French, and about a year to complete the reverse.
I learned 2,807 words in my English to French tree, and 1,951 words in the reverse tree. If you keep going past level 25, you actually learn more words! I chatted with people who had much more words than me.
Even though the crowns came out after I finished the French tree, and almost at the end of me completing the reverse tree, I won't be going back and maxing them out to level 5 for every lesson because it isn't necessary at level 25, as I've done so much already.
I have 9,789 lingots, but I would have so much more if I didn't give them away to so many great posts and replies.
The Duolingo French stories are fun and funny! If you didn't try them out yet, give it a try!
Haha, the past tense is still my most difficult aspect of the language. I keep messing them up, and there are specific rules to using them with certain aspects of the language. That is a large thing of what I will be working on in the future.
I pay for Babbel, Rosetta Stone, and Memrise. I have the full version of Mango Languages thanks to my library. I took a university French class and took classes at the Alliance Française. In other words, if anyone wants to know my honest opinion on any of these apps (I pay for them, so my opinion may have more weight), go ahead and ask. I will be honest about them!
I actually used my French skills as I traveled to Québec and France back in 2016 for more than a month! I was much better at talking in the beginning. After a few weeks, my listening got much better. I even had a friendly person in Montreal give me French lessons for free. I still laugh at the fact that the thing I kept messing up on was switching back and forth between formal (vous) and informal (tu) language. :-D
Not sure what additional facts to give, so go ahead and ask anything you are curious about. I won't be leaving Duolingo as I'm learning Spanish, and because I will miss this community (I love helping you guys out with French questions!). Also, with the awesome new French stories added to the Labs section, I need to try them all out!
I wish you all the best in your language learning!
Congratulations on reaching Level 25 in French, NtateNarin! I plan to reach Level 25 in both the French tree and the reverse French tree too, but for the time being I am mostly concentrating on my Korean trees.
What is "Mango Languages" like to use as a language-learning resource? I've heard of it previously, but don't know much about it. Would you recommend using it? What are its pros and cons according to your experience of it?
As for Mango Languages, I feel it is the best app to use to get the very basics or if you are going to visit another country and need the bare bones of speaking. I love it! You learn introductions, and as you progress, it teaches you how to give and ask directions, etc., while going backward at times to help you remember what you learned in the past. At different times, the friendly narrator gives you fun facts about a country(ies) culture and grammar rules. It is so good that I use it first before other apps just to get an idea of the language. This is mainly for speaking, so don't expect to be spelling well after using this, as you basically repeat phrases and guess how to form new sentences. Also, because you don't write in the app, it is great to use while taking a nice walk through the city as you swipe to see new vocabulary and say out new phrases.
The negatives? As I said before, it is not best if you want to learn to write. The grammar is not exhaustive, as it is best to give you a feel for a language (so you can travel knowing a few phrases or introduce yourself). In other words, you will only know the verb conjugations you will likely use, as there are no tables of them or anything. I got mine free thanks to the Chicago Public library. Definitely check out your library as Mango participates with them to give this to you for free, and because many libraries don't really disclose this info (I found a tiny ad in the French section of my library which is how I know about this). Another negative is that if you don't have a participating library, you can pay for a subscription, but I read some reviews that it can be difficult to subscribe to the service (not sure why).
I hope I didn't bore you with my long review! Let me know if you want more info and I wish you the best in French and Korean! :-)
Amazing work! I'd love to know more about what you think of Memrise? I tried it and gave up, but I haven't been able to put my finger on exactly why it didn't stick for me.
As for Memrise, I'm not sure how long ago you used it, so I hope I don't sound redundant with naming some features. As of right now, I like using Memrise more than Tiny Cards for one large reason: Authentic voices, especially in the official decks made by the Memrise company.
In certain languages, such as French and German, you even get videos of people saying these phrases and words! Haha, some of them are fun to watch as a few people seem a little embarassed as they say the phrase. I love that. I remember it being in the free version, but you get to see more of it in the paid version. Unfortunately, for newer courses like Spanish (Mexican), that feature isn't in there yet (or I didn't see it).
Memrise does have bots, and I used it in French. It was buggy at first, but now it's better. Unfortunately, it's way too easy as you get like 2 options to choose when responding to the bot, which doesn't help me much and now I tend to skip it, unfortunately.
Memrise is great for reviewing material (and not just languages), and new decks are added by the users. Yes, that part is just like Tiny Cards, so not much difference there. Granted, Tiny Cards now links to your Duolingo account, so you get XP if you use official Duolingo decks (assuming you have the update for Android or PC).
It has ASL (American Sign Language) with moving pictures! I really enjoy that. Also, I get to download my courses for offline use (I don't remember if that is also available in the free version). And another thing, I enjoy making phrases to help other people memorize words that you get as you study a language.
Honestly, if you didn't really enjoy it before, I don't think these new features will bring you back. Then again, it is free, so you can check it out one more time to see if the new features change your mind. :-)
Congratulations on your level 25 (forwards and backwards).
I also discovered Memrise a little while ago because someone mentioned it in one of the treads I posted on. I love all of the different voices. One other exciting thing I found was a drill on French idioms.
Thank you, Ren918302!
I'm glad you enjoy Memrise as well, and now that you mentioned French idioms... I should have put that as my #1 hardest thing in the Duolingo French tree! It's annoying how the French sentences are totally different from it's often bizarre English counterpart. Granted, it makes sense as to make it more understandable in French.
I wish you the best in getting level 25 in French! :-)
A nice thing about Babbel is that it really teaches you grammar and different aspects of French culture. The lessons are laid out in a logical order, starting with greetings in the Beginners courses to much more advanced stuff in the intermediate ones. What I like is that there are special categories to practice what you are rusty on. For instance, I needed to know numbers really well for my class, and Babbel had lessons just on numbers which I would do over and over! Also, it has vocabulary/phrases for you to practice daily, and it uses the spaced repetition technique to give words you have more trouble with more often, and words you know much less frequently. Also, the French is spoken by real people! Always a plus, as the robotic voices can be off. I also like that in each lesson (by the way, it has multiple choice, you say the phrases out loud, you type the sentences, etc.), there is back and forth dialog you can hear of people doing random daily things (like people deciding on what to do for the day) so it makes the experience more authentic.
Any parts that can be improved? Well, in my opinion (it depends on the person): 1. I don't like the fact that the phone app doesn't sync well with the web version. So I will do a lesson on the computer, then when I go to my phone, it takes me to my latest lesson, not the lesson I repeated, which can get confusing if I forgot what my previous lesson was. 2. The speech recognition is too sensitive for me, and confusing on the web. On the web, it says to speak, but you see the icon changing back and forth between listening and doing something else that it confuses me. I usually have the software not listen to my voice. 3. There is no "turtle" option to slow the voices down. So if you are new to French, the speed at which they talk may be overwhelming. Granted, it's good in that you can hear French in its normal pace. 4. Each lesson is split into introducing words/phrases, then filling in the blanks, doing dialog, review (and others, depending on the lesson). Sometimes when I want to review, I don't want to do all that, but you get all of it anyway.
Overall though, I enjoy the program! As you can see, the negatives are minor. Remember that you have to pay to use the app, and I got a special holiday deal (if you are persistent in looking, you will eventually get a nice deal).
And as a final note, if you want to try it free for a week, you can follow this link. Also, I don't get paid or anything for giving this away: https://home.babbel.com/en/registration/new?invitation_code=615077983387
I wish you the best in your French lessons, MaryAnne993219! :-)
Thank you, NtateNarin. Sounds good. I may try it when I reach Level25 in Duolingo French. I am happy to hear it has good audio. I think the Duolingo audio is okay but I need a lot more audio practice. I am currently supplementing with a Kwiziq and an online course from Carnegie Mellon U. The latter has great audio practice.
Merci pour votre réponse, Maud! Je vous souhaite le meilleur en anglais! Bonne continuation! :-)
I would personally say that the subjunctive is driving me insane! Just when you think you know 80 different situations to use it in, you learn another and another and another.... I think what helped me with past tense the most was finding all the patterns between the various past tenses and just finding out all the different ways the past participle is used. I still have no idea how to form or recognise the passe simple though.... :-)
Thanks for letting me know which aspect of French grammar that drives you insane! I love it and think it's kind of therapeutic to share French lesson "war stories."
But yes, that is confusing, especially when to use it. I just hope other people understand me when I speak. And for all the different past tenses, I have a French textbook that has a nice list of when to use certain past tenses. The only problem is that it's a long list (which helps to induce sleep) and it's confusing as some reasons to use one version of the past tense is similar to another reason to use another past tense!
The only thing that helped me so far is just practice, practice, and more practice. I try to practice till it just sticks in my head and I don't have to think about it. It just takes a very long time, sadly.
Thanks again for sharing and I wish you the best, Carclub1311! :-)
Félicitations, NtateNarin ! Fantastic accomplishments ! Past tense stumped me for the longest time, but now I think the angst and terror has transferred to the subjunctive mood for me. :-]
Which French stories were your favorite? I intend to start them after this month, going through them as I complete the last twelve skills in the course. I've tried the first one, and it was pretty cute (I wouldn't know how else to describe it, but I liked the format).
Merci beaucoup, Gamekkeut!
Haha, I was afraid someone would ask me what my favorite story(ies) are, as most of them are really funny, silly, and clever! Sometimes you are wondering what a certain mystery is, or laughing because someone is just really silly.
Maybe "Pain au Chocolat du Matin" or "Relation à Distance" are in my top favorites since they are also heartwarming.
And yeah, I remember that first one. I think that was the camping one with the guy who hated aspects of camping? That was cute. If you do finish a lot of them, be sure to let us know what you enjoyed the most! :-)
Many congrats. I'm planning to do something similar with the languages I'm attempting- do the tree in each direction to level 3 and then find alternate more advanced ways of learning.
I started my reverse Spanish tree early (waited until about checkpoint 2) because I was curious and impatient... :) - and the reverse trees definitely seem to help. It's an added difficultly and flushes out some of the things I missed going the first way.
Unfortunately the main language I'm learning first and focusing on(Esperanto) doesn't have a reverse tree- so I'm also doing the Spanish to Esperanto tree concurrently with learning Spanish too.
Anyhow- thanks for being an inspiration. It's always good to hear from people that have completed the course as they help spur me on to do likewise.
Thank you for the kind words, Cambarellus!
Even though I don't have the Esperanto flag next to my name, I tried it out and it was a lot of fun! I loved how much easier it was as compared to other languages I was learning. Sadly, I was doing too much, so I had to remove Esperanto, but hopefully, I will come back to it soon!
I know what you mean about being curious and impatient. I really wanted that reverse tree so bad! For French, to me anyway, it is important to do the forward tree to get a feel for the pronunciation (since the reverse trees only pronounce things in English), then when you get used to it, try the reverse.
I wish you the best in your language journey, Cambarellus! :-)
Quote: For French, to me anyway, it is important to do the forward tree to get a feel for the pronunciation (since the reverse trees only pronounce things in English), then when you get used to it, try the reverse.
What you are really looking forward on DuoLingo is this from Camilo: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/19654789/Userscript-Tree-Enhancer
Works either - on the DuoLingo web portal with the Tampermonkey addon - with reverse trees...OR....(even) forward trees and those (very rare) right hand side translations in the target language.
For reverse trees it makes sense to hide the pictures.
Ever tried it to enable all French TTS audio? Give it a go!
Could not live without it for my EN-PT and PT-DE trees!
One of those good user scripts which overlived all the takedowns from staff AND has been updated to the new Scala web portal in 2017, so it is quite compatible.
Only for a few of those new challenges (fill in the blank, choose the correct word from three options, etc.) introduced in 2017 or recently in 2018 some audio may be missing...
......so we need to support Camilo to further enhance his script and fill the missing audio challenges.
Best regards / Viele Grüße aus Deutschland
Oh my gosh! I didn't know such an add-on existed!
Thank you so much, Thomas.Heiss, for the suggestion and I will try it out! :-)
Congrats NtateNarin! I just wanted to clarify what you mean by French to English (or reverse). Does it mean that you select in your DuoLingo settings that you speak French and then take the English course (and vice versa)? Do you plan to take Spanish to English/French and reverse?
Merci beaucoup, Super_Duo_Lingo!
Thank you for your question, and you are correct! What's nice about telling Duolingo you speak French and want to learn English is that the whole interface is in French, the discussions for each sentence you learn is in French, etc. You get much more immersed. Also, you get a little more sentences you translate into French (unlike the regular tree, in which you keep translating into English, which I don't really like). Haha, it's funny to have the US flag next to my name as people assume I'm learning English when I'm still learning French. :-D
As for the Spanish to/from French, I may do that. Right now I'm about a quarter into my Duolingo Spanish lessons, and I may do that after (or finish on my other languages I'm learning).
I wish you the best in reaching your goals, Super_Duo_Lingo! :-)
Nice! That's what I've been entertaining in my mind (kind of killing two birds in one shot). I just wanted to figure out how DuoLingo implements this. Basically, I can set any language (from the list) to be used for learning other languages, right? For example, once I feel confident with my French, I can change my DuoLingo setting to French and use French (not English like now) to continue with German. This should be really nice. Or I can switch to Spanish to continue with my French, right? In these scenarios, there will be partially reversed trees. If this is doable, then perhaps, you can rotate the language. For example, if you already know well enough French and Spanish, you use French one day and Spanish another day to learn, say, German and Japanese. This way you would maintain French and Spanish at the same time.
You definitely can do that!
Just a heads up though:
The French to English tree is different from the English to French tree, so don't expect your crowns or golden levels to carry over.
If you switch your interface to French, you do have the option to learn Spanish or German or English from it, but just a heads up that the amount of languages you can learn from French (or any language that is not English) is not exhaustive as it is with English. For example, if you put your native language as French or Spanish, there is currently no way to learn Japanese this way, only if you put your native language as English.
Anyways, I hope this helped! If you already knew all of this, I appologize for assuming you didn't know, as I just want to be sure you know as much as you can with this amazing program!
Thank you, Juskat!
I was raised in Chicago, but I've been living all over the place. Depending on my future employment, I may be living somewhere new in the near future.
I'm fluent in German AND English. Would you recommend I do both the French to English and, if it exists, French to German?
I just started translating songs. I'm all into the old-timey movies and music etc. So I'll probably end up sounding like a French person from the 60s but I'm maybe just "retro" enough to get away with that. My English is reasonably old-fashioned already.
Do you use flashcards? I sometimes do Tinycards or Memrise (though I kind of gave up on that. I like to write out sentences and words and such, and Memrise being timed makes that difficult) but for the most part I just find flashcards so...boring. Real life and digital ones. I know, language learning cannot always be exciting.
Also, is Rosetta Stone worth all that money?
Hi Loretta Presley,
Looking at how you are level 16 in French already, it wouldn't hurt to do French to English (or German if it exists). The only reason why I mentioned your level 16 is that if you do French to another language, it doesn't pronounce French words, so you may have difficulty with the course. But I feel you can do it!
Also, I do use flashcards! I understand how they can be boring though, as all you do is flip a card, but I usually do it for vocabulary so it can stick in my head better. My favorite is Memrise, then Duolingo and Quizlet (I like both the same).
As for Rosetta Stone, I'll put it as a separate response to you just in case more people want to see it...
I'm getting the hang of French pronunciation and phonetics so that part should be fine. If there is a French to German tree, I'm definitely doing that. I was going to do the English to German tree but since I already speak it, it was just too boring. French to German would give me a better workout.
I got through the French 1 on Memrise, but I didn't like that it was all timed. I can do tinycards and Ouizlet. I think I just have to make myself do those when I'm bored.
The online tutoring sounds great but the program itself doesn't sound like my cup of tea. Thanks for all the info :)
As for Rosetta Stone, it is not for everyone. For me, I got a deal for $143.76 for 24 months (Independence Day sale), so that is about $6 a month.
I will admit that of all the programs I use, this one feels the most repetitive. It has a unique way of teaching in that it doesn't talk about grammar, but you learn the language slowly, and it builds up as you go. Sort of like how a child learns a language. You have speaking and typing exercises. I kind of wish the speaking parts just change all of a sudden to surprise me to make it a bit more exciting. A good thing though is that the way it teaches, very gradually, works for me, but maybe too slow for some people. Also, the voices are authentic, which is good.
What I like is that it has an app version now. My favorite is the online features. I get to play games with others (my favorite is the one where one of us gets a picture and describes, in French, what is on it, till the other person can guess the picture from a bunch of other pictures). The one where I read stories out loud really helped me with recognizing words. And my favorite part? Online tutoring! I remember getting two sessions, 25 minutes, with a tutor and other people, and we get to use our French. As you may have noticed, I just resubscribed recently, so I'm not sure if it's still two sessions a month, or just one. But I really love that feature, and the tutor ONLY speaks in French, which really puts me on my toes.
You can go online at rosettastone.com to try it out for free (not sure how much it gives you). Rosetta Stone, as mentioned earlier, isn't for everyone, but for me... the online things and interacting with others (hopefully you aren't shy!) makes it unique.
In the past my company included Rosetta Stone as a part of education program. I think they have two versions: corporate and for individuals. I can tell only about the corporate version. I agree with all pros listed by @NtateNarin above. Especially, I liked the live tutoring sessions. In corporate version, you can schedule a session as you progress (no limitation per month). You can also schedule a live session for some lessons in the past to refresh.
Thank you for your reply! I always wondered what you get with the corporate version!
And just a heads up to people who may get Rosetta Stone for free from their university... it is very likely NOT the full package with the cool online features I mentioned (and no tutoring). Also, it is an older version. The only thing I liked was that it tracked my progress, so you can download a progress report anytime to see how you are doing, and if you procrastinated (haha).
Congrats! NtateNarin. That a lot of words you learned. You are the boss at languages. Thanks for the information
I wouldn't say I'm the boss at languages, but I try hard. :-) I wish you the best in French!
De rien et bonne chance avec le français, Waterspirit11! / You're welcome and good luck with French, Waterspirit11!
beyond duolingo, what other online sourse would you say helped you the most? and how would you rate Mago and Rosetta stone
Beyond Duolingo, the things that helped me most is likely Babbel, Memrise (or Tiny Cards or Quizlet, whichever you prefer), and anything that forced me to speak French, such as my French course in college and traveling to French-speaking countries. Where I live, I try to find French-speakers, which can be difficult, and I just greet them in French.
As for Mango and Rosetta Stone, definitely check out my responses to Michelle203728 and LorettaPresley in this post (just scroll up) to find out what I think about those programs.
I wish you the best in your French, DavidBerger101! :-)
Congratulations @NtateNarin, and thanks for your useful information. You are my inspiring and I will try my best to reach that level 25 in French. @NtateNarin, I have a question, how can you improve your french speaking skill? It's not only with Duolingo?
Thank you for your kind words, Max773270!
As for my French speaking skill, I actually started learning that in a French class. It was difficult for me at first with the nasal sounds, so it was useful for me to have someone teach me the sounds. Granted, to my friends learning French, I usually teach them now! I also watch a lot of French teaching videos on YouTube which got my ears prepared for what French sounds like.
I won't say Duolingo is the best in learning how to really sound French, but even though, I still repeat every French sentence after I see them. If I see a book with a French passage, I read everything out loud. This can feel weird at first because you won't be sure if you're pronouncing it right (as no one is there to correct you), but it is important to get used to looking and reading at the same time. And what if you're wrong with your pronunciation? No biggie, as you can learn from your mistakes and continue on!
Where I live, I try to find French-speaking people to say hi to (it's rare). Granted, I'm a bit shy, so it is hard to initially speak to them, so I try to see if there are French meetups to attend. My best thing was traveling to Québec and France to practice! I was so nervous I probably kept staring at the distance as I tried to speak, but after a few weeks, I started to anticipate and get used to what people were saying. That REALLY improved what I know and what I feel I should improve!
Oh yeah, and my biggest compliment? When I was traveling in South Korea, I met someone from Belgium, and I greeted him in French. He thought I was French from my accent! That was awesome. :-)
Anyways, I hope that helped and I wish you the best in your French lessons, Max773270!
This is great experience, @NtateNarin. I learn a lot from you, from your difficulty and from your big effort :D Congrats and thanks again for your sharing of knowledge By the way, Are you using Skype or any app? I really want to make friend with you for more chatting :D
Thank you, Max773270. Sorry, I don't use Skype or apps for communicating with others right now, but I do recommend going to the labs portion of Duolingo and trying out the "Duolingo Events" portion where you can practice with others! If your city isn't in there, try MeetUp.com and see if there are French meetups around you. I've used Meetup.com in the past and I really like it.
Hello congrats! I am wondering what is the main benefit learning the reverse tree? It seemed to me to be the same structure as the other tree. Is it just extra work? Maybe it's best to do them both at the same time?
Thank you, DaneMatrix!
As for your question, I agree that they are similar, but not totally the same. Here are a few differences:
The reverse tree uses can use alternate French words at times. Sorry, it's been a long time since I did the English to French tree, so I can't really give examples, but I thought it was neat to discover different ways to say the same word in English.
You get more opportunities (sadly, not too much) to answer questions in French, rather than translating in English most of the time, which is really beneficial as I find that more challenging. Also, when you go to the discussions for each sentence you translate, it's all in French to get your more immersed.
And speaking of immersion... the whole interface is in French! No need to panic if you're used to the regular English to French tree because the layout is the same, but just in another language, so if you get a bit lost, you will have an idea what each button or phrase does when you click on them.
I would recommend completing the English to French tree first, or doing most of it, before starting the reverse tree. By then you will be used to the sounds of French and comfortable with the much harder topics in the later courses. But you can definitely start now as the beginning courses are similar to the ones you did now!
I wish you the best in French and German, DaneMatrix! :-)
Thank you, FluffyDasher!
Oh wow, it would be amazing to live in France! Right now, it will be more of another visit. It will be more likely, if I do move to another country, it would be somewhere in Québec, Canada, where I can still speak French and be close to my family. :-)
I'm not sure if you ever visited France, but if not, I hope you do! It's one of the most beautiful countries I've ever seen!
First congrats on Finishing the French tree. As someone who loves French as well and will probably French in the near future. I was wondering does knowing French help you with job opportunities in the United States or do you often travel to other countries for employment opportunities?
Thank you, SmileyKidd01!
As for job opportunities, it can definitely help as when I apply to jobs, there is usually a section that asks if I speak another language. Especially if you're in a heavily touristed area, going to be a teacher, etc.
I will admit though, that Spanish has a much greater influence in most of the US though. French will have more influence in parts of Louisiana and Maine. Also, depending on what city you go to, the demands can change quite a bit. For instance, in Chicago, Spanish and Polish are in demand.
But whatever language you choose, it will always benefit you in some way! I wish you the best in your Spanish lessons, and if you decide to do French, I hope you do well in that too! :-)
I have just reached level 25 after 10 months and am about two thirds of the way to getting the crowns up to level 5. I`ve really enjoyed it. I too use Babbel... I started with that about 16 months ago until I found duolingo.
Congrats, AlexPierce20, on reaching level 25 on French! I wish you the best in leveling up all your crowns to level 5. I see an American flag next to your name. Does that mean you're studying English from French? If so, that is a great next step!