https://www.duolingo.com/iyphd

The highs and lows of Duo-linger-on

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*Completed my Spanish tree *

Me: Yay!

Most of my skills are not golden

Me: Oh no!

Made all my skills golden

Me: Yay!

Duo introduces crowns

Me: Oh no!

Duo introduces test-out

Me: Yay!

[Lately I've been working tirelessly to reach Level 5 on all my skills, and Level 25 overall]

Duo adds 57 more skills/lessons^

Me: Oh no!

Duo's goal is clear: to make us spend as much time as possible here. I feel bad for new users (and older ones too). Well, I think it's time to spend more time living and less time on Duo.

PS: ^ = Seriously, most of the questions in the newly added skills/lessons could have been merged with the existing skills/lessons. But it's Duo-linger-on, and we get what we get.

3 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/elizadeux
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Ahh... don't feel bad for us old-timers. Most of us who have lived for a while have been through much worse in our lives, so it's difficult to get all that upset about any changes that Duolingo might happen to make.

I often spend a lot of time on Duolingo no matter what they do. I spend most of my time on the reverse tree or the more difficult material in the regular Spanish tree. I plan to do more laddering, which increases the challenge.

If something doesn't interest me, then I don't it. It probably helps that I'm not all that concerned about the Duolingo levels, being 100% gold, or streaks. Ultimately, none of that really matters.

What does matter to me is how well I'm able to use the languages I'm learning. Duolingo has been enormously helpful in that respect for me. I didn't know my past tenses very well at all before and now it's gotten easier and easier.

I can read Harry Potter in Spanish, watch TV shows in Spanish with no English subtitles, have conversations for an hour in Spanish, and talk to strangers in Spanish and have them answer back in Spanish. Duolingo may not be real life but it's certainly helped me to do all of that.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeniFraser

what is a reverse tree?

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/elizadeux
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It's English for Spanish speakers. Instead of no more than 6 or 7 write in Spanish, I get 10 -18 write in Spanish.

Laddering would be taking one language from another foreign language such as French for Spanish speakers if you are an English speaker.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarolinianJeff

When you change your account language to Spanish, then take the English for Spanish speakers course.

I just started it, and it's actually kind of helpful.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vikingcita

True. I think the worst thing Duolingo ever did was remove the immersion program. :(

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BigManTheo

I don't know why people are complaining about Duo introducing new skills. The whole point of Duo is that you learn another language, so complaining about more material seems ridiculous.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oceanscrew
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Duolingo has reached the level of popularity that it's cooler to complain about it vs use it for what it is. I like Duolingo, are there things i want changed? Well sure, BUT it's free, it's fun, and there is a language out there for just about everyone.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CarolinianJeff

I really wish they would do more with the bonus skills. I just bought a Spanish for Attorneys book, and there are so many useful courtroom terms that would be good even if you were just watching legal dramas.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmazingAntlers

Personally, if duolingo were to chain me to a bed post and expand the skill tree to x10 over what it is now, and not release me until I'd completed all the skill trees, bushes and overlooked flowers and weeds . . . . heck, I'd be happy, as it's all much appreciated practice time to ingrain the language into our subconcious :)

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Manjingirl
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Love the opportunity to keep doing new sessions on duolingo. I rejoiced when I saw all the new skills lessons and the crown system is good too. I practise particular skills to suit myself. Congrats on finishng your tree.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KrisWest8
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I actually like the new changes for the most part. For me, my goal is really to obtain and absorb the language. More work to do is a good thing because it means more opportunities to practice. If I really don't need it then I won't use it, but if so then why am I learning the language? I do like the recent changes that they've made though. I guess my goal isn't to "beat the game" but to learn languages through practice.

Duo is just one tool that I use in combination with others. Recent experience has taught me that learning languages requires as much exposure to the language as possible, so more lessons and skills are a good thing. Sometimes it means repeating the same concept a lot until it sticks and then repeating that again. I'll admit that at times I've gotten annoyed by revisiting basics in languages that I'm advanced in, but in reality, I probably need the grammar drilling more than I'd like to admit.

Anyway, I think that the changes to Duo are allowing it to get into grammar much more quickly which is helpful. I think the new flexibility with regards to being able to choose to focus on depth or breadth in the course of learning at any given time is very helpful. I'm definitely interested in exploring the revamped offerings more with the new approach.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GraceOM
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I've been having fun testing out of lessons. I racked up close to 5000xp today, and I don't think I spent more than an hour online to do it.

Of course, it's all the easy stuff for the moment. There are harder lessons to tackle that will take more time. But today has been a fun refresher.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AriTheBub
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Yeah, it can be a problem when you go head first to tackle a harder lesson but congrats on getting 5000xp.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/guomashi
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Hmmm... 9 lingots and seven upvotes in an hour! might the parliament of owls reconvene????? nahhhh.....

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mikemcdonald58
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Funny...my owls have flown away too many times that they would not know where to convene.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kobnach
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"Duo's goal is clear: to make us spend as much time as possible here."

Well of course. Any place supported by advertising benefits from being addictive. The original model of getting paid for translations done by amateurs didn't work, so they needed another business model.

The question becomes whether Duolingo is worth what you pay for it, where that's measured in time and emotions rather than money. Also whether there's a less expensive alternative available - based on relative value to you.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oceanscrew
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I finished the Esperanto tree and had all my skills gold, they then introduced crowns. I said to heck with it as i'm satisfied with my speaking ability.

Since i have not finished the spanish tree i will work toward level 5'ing everything.

Side note, since spanish is probably the main language people use duolingo for i'm glad they added so much, i thought the course honeslty lacked compared to other languages such as norwegian.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AriTheBub
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Wow, you're having trouble with Duolingo. I try to finish every level before doing the next thing. It has worked out so smoothly and nicely, I reccommend these steps to anybody and good luck finishing spanish!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iyphd
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Thank you all for all the great responses. I'll like to offer two quick suggestions to the Owl, regarding the newly added skills, but first a quick preamble.

It's a bit difficult to say exactly how many lessons Duo added (this is partly because it looks like Duo has downgraded some of my skills from Level 3/4 to mostly Level 1s), nevertheless I think the number is somewhere between 57 and 64.

Here is my two cents to Duo. One, I think the questions in all the newly added skills with titles that ends with a number (e.g. Travel 2, School 2, etc.) should be (or should have been) merged with the questions in the existing/corresponding parent branch (e.g. they should be merged with: Travel, School, etc.). There are at least 27 “new skills” that fit this description. Two, I'm sure some users will disagree with me on this but I think some of the newly added skills with synonymous titles to existing skills should be (or should have been) merged, this includes: Sports + Recreation 1 & 2 (or just call it Sports and Recreation); People + Community; Emotions + Feelings; Requests + Information; Preferences + Interests + Routines (+ Activities?); Arts + Fashion; Occupation + Work; and so on. Right now the size of the tree is daunting, it's too tall and has too many branches, albeit redundant ones, and I think doing the aforementioned "one" and "two" would significantly prune the tree to something more digestible.

PS: There has been plenty of post here about crowns, and I have no intention to reopen old wounds. However, the new parachute or cop-out system, aka test-out, while “I like it” is partly a reminder of how flawed the whole notion of crowns are. For one, if you parachuted your way from Level 1 to 5 - in one fell swoop - what have you really learned? How many vocabs have you really been exposed to? I think Duo got it right the first time, that is, I think the original (pre-crown) system (with decaying tree) was a great idea.

Duo should not be ashamed or afraid to revert to the old system.

Again, thank you all.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/adder3
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I disagree with this merging idea. Take travel there are 4 skills each with 4 lessons at level 0, ie 48 lessons to get to level 5 each. If these skills were to be merged into one, that would mean 16 lessons at level 0 and 1, 32 at level 2, 48 at level 3 and 80 at level 4, now that's what I call daunting, a total of 192 lesson in one skill. I think more of the skills should be split, in fact any skill with more than 5 lessons at level 0 should be split in two, 60 lessons of 20 or so sentences is more than enough for each skill leaf.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iyphd
iyphd
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I think you misread my message (or maybe not or maybe I wasn't clear enough). What I was trying to say is that instead of adding new skills/branches, say Movies 3 and Movies 4, why not add the new questions to the pool of questions in the existing skills/branches, say Movies 1 and Movies 2 and make those branches richer and stronger? Otherwise, I see a chain reaction that never ends where Duo keeps adding Movies 5, 6, 7, etc. Imagine studying a course (think college or graduate school) with an ever expanding syllabus. It's demoralizing.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ashlyn132450

Well, in some ways, isn't truly learning a language pretty much exactly like studying a course with an ever expanding syllabus? You'll never be "done." Don't be demoralized. Enjoy the journey!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brackenwood3

Having reached level 25 some time ago, I feel that the new tree is quite a retrograde step in many ways. I have today completed some that were put back to level 0 and the standard is like that of someone just starting to learn the language - not at all motivating when you want to increase your skills.

3 months ago

[deactivated user]

    I agree with you and Kris west. Have been here only 4 days and am already getting very annoyed. What I enjoy however, are some discussions, alyhough some peole have do not have much grammatical knowledge, which causes them to mark things (in)correct erroneously...

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    https://www.duolingo.com/seizetheday92
    seizetheday92
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    Oh no but Oh Yay!

    3 months ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/darkobbit
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    An static application is a dead one. Duo has to evolve continually, or die like Encarta, messenger, yahoo. Saluton

    3 months ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/iyphd
    iyphd
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    The fact is there are plenty of ways the original system could have been improved upon. So, no, I'm not opposed to evolution, and I don't think any reasonable user of this application is. Speaking of evolution, anyone who's ever studied Biology knows that an essential part of evolution are the push backs (interactions) that the specie experiences because of the surrounding environment (in a way, the environment basically shapes the specie), which is exactly what I and every other user (including you) who make any form of suggestion or comment is trying to do --- we are trying to shape Duo to its best possible from (if it'll listen). It's important to note, however, that change for the sake of change, or evolution for the sake of evolution is stupid.

    3 months ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/Bill147479
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    Maybe they're doing this to serve you more ad impressions. That's why I use a VPN adblocker when I realised they're milking the users through adding the crowns system to get you to use up and buy health.

    3 months ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/Maria_321-

    elizadeux You wrote that you ¨plan to do more laddering, which increases the challenge.¨ What is ¨laddering?¨ It sounds interesting.

    3 months ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward
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    It's where you use a foreign language to learn a new foreign language.

    Example: you are learning Spanish. If you then did "French for Spanish speakers" that would be laddering.

    3 months ago
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