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Seu = theirs?

Hi all

Quick question (probably a stupid one) but I was marked down for not using ''seu'' for their?

I thought teu, tua, seu & sua were all the same and the difference was regional, but the use was still the same?

Also I'm having a lot of problems understanding the uses of de, da and do. Like when do we use these conjugations?

Please dumb it down for me as I'm a little slow today :)

Thanks in advance!

July 7, 2018

5 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Folle5

"Seu/Sua" can both refer to the 2nd person singular (você), 3rd person singular (ele/ela) or the 3rd person plural (eles/elas). The meaning of the word will change according to the subject in question.

Keep in mind that the possessive pronoun does not agree with the owner, instead, it agrees both in number and gender to the object.

For example: Você falou que é seu? ("seu" refers to your thing) Ela pegou sua carteira. ("sua" refers to her wallet) Eles venderam seu carro. ("seu" refers to their car)

As you can see, these pronouns can cause a lot of confusion since it can refer to so many different things. To avoid ambiguity, Br-PT speakers have opted to shift things.

"Dele(s)/Dela(s)" is used to disambiguate the ownership of an object. This strategy also changes the agreement of words. Instead of agreeing to the noun, as is the case for "seu/sua", it agrees with the owner (just like in English). Moreover, "seu/sua" has been relegated to the position of YOUR (referring to "você").

Ex. Ela comprou a casa dele. = She bought HIS house. Eles pegaram o carro delas. = They (masculine) took THEIR (feminine) car. Qual é o seu? Este ou aquele? = Which is YOURS? This one or that one?

NB: I believe that in Eu-PT, "vosso/vossa" is used to replace "seu/sua" when referring to "você" even though it is grammatically incorrect. ("vosso/vossa" originally belonged to the pronoun "vós" which has fallen out of use)

July 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Robleh100

An excellent answer here, it tells the Eng speaker to focus on the object of the sentence to understand the gender of the pronoun. If the object is masc, then pronoun used s/b, and vice versa. The same is true for enumeration. Armed with this information, a reader/listener can actually identify ungrammatical Ptg! Wow! This advice s/b printed and posted while you take the courses! On the other hand, gender of object nouns in ptg is not regular, some words like the one above 'carro' we would assume to be masc, are fem and thus would take a fem pronoun, so the ambiguity will remain for we eng speakers, anyway. Oh as we Amer say... can't win them all.

July 17, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Scutigera

NB: I believe that in Eu-PT, "vosso/vossa" is used to replace "seu/sua" when referring to "você" even though it is grammatically incorrect. ("vosso/vossa" originally belonged to the pronoun "vós" which has fallen out of use)

Vosso/a(s) is used with the plural, vocês, not the singular você (which, like vós is actually not much used in Portugal, only implied).

https://theepexperience.wordpress.com/2017/06/07/ep-word-of-the-week-103-vosso/

https://theepexperience.wordpress.com/2016/08/01/grammar-tips-20-possessives-in-ep/

However, to be clear, "vós" (the familiar plural for you) is still used in the north of Portugal especially along the border of Galicia (Galiza) where the word is still used in Galega (the birth language for Portuguese):

http://www.trevorhuxham.com/2015/09/galician-101.html


Also I'm having a lot of problems understanding the uses of de, da and do. Like when do we use these conjugations?

De, da, do, are all forms for, "of" but the latter two are mandatory contractions meaning "of the" (de + a / de + o) with "da" coming before a feminine noun (o brilho da lua = the glow of the moon) , and "do" coming before a masculine noun (a casa do sol nascente = the house of the rising sun). These are called declensions because only verbs conjugate while the rest of the sentence declines (inflects) to match the number and gender.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/declension
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension

I thought teu, tua, seu & sua were all the same and the difference was regional, but the use was still the same?

These are the same, if referring to "you" (2nd Person – though one is familiar and the other a formal treatment... that the Brazilians have made common). However, seu/ua(s) are used for all 3rd Person declensions including the treatments of você(s), and also ele/a(s) (as well as, o/a senhor/a, doutor, professor/a, etc). Eles/Elas mean they not you so "teu/tua" cannot work for their in the possessive.

Tu/Teu/Tua(s) only mean you/yours which negates the ambiguity of the 3rd Person, and allows pronouns to be dropped because the 2nd Person verb carries the inflection.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_person

One of the major confusions is that você(s) refers to the 2nd Person of you, but gets the 3rd Person treatment.

July 18, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Robleh100

Based on this quote: These are called declensions because only verbs conjugate while the rest of the sentence declines (inflects) to match the number and gender.

Thus, 'da' and 'do' shouldn't become 'das' and 'dos' if those model sentences are pluralized? So, As casas do sol nascente, right? And it would make sense to an eng speaker. The object of the sentence is not pluralize, there are not suns, but there certainly are houses of the rising sun.

July 24, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss

What is the sentence?

You probably better should write this in the sentence discussion, as there is the context available.

July 7, 2018
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