What changes would you like to see?
Hi everybody, I’m Luis, CEO of Duolingo. We’re working on a number of exciting new features and projects, but as we start planning for 2019, I’m wondering what new things or changes you’d like to see. I can’t promise we will be able to do them but I’d like to hear your thoughts.
Please separate the Duolingo Classroms from the main Duolingo platform and bring back the community features that were removed due to its introduction. Duolingo is in a rather unique position due to its popularity to foster cross-cultural language learning communities that everyone would benefit from, but adults being limited because of content "for the children" is a huge, huge disservice to serious language learners. What is a language if not a way to connect with other people? And yet as users of this platform, we have virtually no way of making those connections.
Following on this, given that courses are already done entirely by volunteers I think it would be really beneficial to have an integrated space for community content by users. Rather than translating and running into the copyright issues from the old immersion system, users can post their own original content for others to edit/comment on. Everyone benefits. Of course, the feature would need some privacy settings, much like Tinycards decks currently do with their public, private, or share with link settings. Written or audio content options.
Speaking of Tinycards, I would love to see it more integrated with the Duolingo platform. Please make updating the decks a required part of course updates. I really appreciate the new Portuguese tree, but am now frustrated that the new vocab and skills are not present in the official decks so I can't review the new material outside of the lessons.
Also, are there currently any plans for Podcasts in other languages?
Hi Luis! Contributor and moderator for various courses with red, white, and blue flags here. My wish list (apart from more Incubator love, which is always a good thing ;) :
- The ability for moderators/contributors to create a kind of wiki at the top of each sentence discussion (SD) with answers to the common questions, visible on all devices even if the discussion itself isn't.
- The return of the "Don't report in SDs!" message at the top of each SD.
- A mention of the forum in the title of the email notifications of comments.
- The return of the ability to see hints on SDs, as they display in the lesson (not always the same as how they display in the Incubator).
- When moderators warn a user, show them the warning in the notification bell as well as sending an email.
- Skill level tests being better at becoming harder at higher levels. In my experience there are often multiple exercises in the test which seem to be from previous levels (I've met image exercises in tests for level 5, for example) and they don't seem to use the sentences with higher failure rates.
- Something like a placement test for individual skills, where the first time you take that skill you have an option to go lesson by lesson, test out of level 1, or take a test kind of like the tree placement test which puts you at the appropriate level.
- Better onboarding for new users. One idea is a short click-through slideshow showing how the courses work, where the Tips & Notes are, how to test out of skill levels, etc.
- Single column Tips & Notes again. Pleeeeaaaase? begging
The most important of those to me are 1, 2, 4, 5, and 8, I can explain why if you'd like to know. :) Thank you!
edited to add 8 because I realised I accidentally forgot to add it!
edited again to add 9 because another suggestion reminded me of it
Sorry, yes, SD is short for "sentence discussion" (that's the discussion page attached to each sentence that you can open from the lesson), and T&N means "Tips & Notes". I use those abbreviations so often I forget not everyone knows them, thanks for reminding me! :)
I think #7 would be super useful in addition to the ability to wipe a single skill and start over - instead of having to wipe an entire course. Right now it is all or nothing and the grind is pretty tough if you know many skills super well but you want to restart a hard skill or a couple you struggle with more.
Also, I am finding - in the Japanese course for example - that I am 2 checkpoints down in the Hobby area. So I am still new but I already know the alphabet well enough. I would like to be able to hit the practice button and get my recent, challenging skills in that practice section. The issue is, the practice mode just keeps asking me the alphabet over and over .... and over lol. I never seem to be able to get any challenging or new content for the most part. Maybe a couple of words but then it just grinds the alphabet repeatedly.
A nice feature would be to maybe allow us to select lessons that we want included in the practice section (or a variation of that idea). For people who need more practice on the alphabet - they can check the box for that section and it will show up often in the practice section and the skills they learned but aren't wanting to practice yet won't. Then when they get to harder skills and want to practice those - they don't have to sit and grind out the alphabet because they are well beyond that stage.
Sorry for the rant! Thanks for all of your hard work. :)
I'd like to have the notifications back when someone answers you on the forums.
And the ability to delete the last language from one base language if you have more than one would be great too.
The activity feed. PLEASE. Our profiles are essentially useless right now. We have "friends" but we can't interact with them, which is really disappointing.
Statistics on course progress: 2mil active users, 500k people passed checkpoint 1, 200k people passed checkpoint 2, 100k people passed checkpoint 3, 40k people completed the course.
Yes. I wonder about this. Also to get some feedback on where you stand within the pack.
This is a great idea, maybe marking the top 10% weakest skills. And changing the "practice" option so instead of really easy questions, it focuses on these weaker points.
Yeah, I was trying to keep it simple, one red circle for your weakest skill. Saying you had 10 red circles and you do 3 a day, how do you know if the red circle was done recently or has been skipped for weeks or overlooked.
One red circle imo means you can chase it around the tree and can’t skip any.
I would love this - when I practice in German, for example, I have a few completed skills under my belt and of course know which things that are challenging for me. However, when I do the practice tool I keep getting similar or the same sentences over and over.
ie: Wasser und Brot. ...... I will literally be asked this like 6x in a practice session in a row even - which is too easy and highly repetitive. It would be nice if these were able to be tailored to what you need more work on rather than easy basics. :)
Aer1ekah: Duolingo introduced these endless repetitions with the crown update. And you have them in level 1, you will find exactly the same in Level 2,Level 3, Level 4 and Level 5. There have been lots of complaints since - but it looks as if this is going to stay.
More coordination across programs please. Example, when a tree is updated, its corresponding official deck in Tiny cards, (when applicable) is also updated.
Also, currently if you bring a skill to level 5 and that skill is updated when a tree is updated, you aren't able to complete the new content within that skill. One solution could be those skills drop to level 4 (with the test out feature, one could test out to level 5 easily). This happens only to skills that are at level 5 when updates are implemented.
Thanks for asking!
From my experience, when a tree is updated, the skills that have no new content stay the same, the totally new skills start at level 0, and the skills that have changed are brought down a couple levels, so I think the latter part of your post is already implemented.
Oh really? I hadn't noticed that. Then I definitely agree with you; it needs to be changed!
It's implemented with all skills that weren't maxed out, but skills that were at level 5 before the change are now corrupted and the new content is unreachable. It shows up on the duome site as a golden level 5 skill with a red dot next to it. I have 4 of those in Spanish from English and according to my profile, I've completed 504 out of 520 lessons but I have a completely maxed out tree. There's no access to the lessons once the skill is maxed out, only a whole skill practice. The only way to get the missing lessons as it is now is to delete the course and start over.
Since you have heavily focused on improving how we learn for the past year and a half, maybe we could see more focus on new languages and the incubator in general in 2019. Some potential new courses include:
- the languages that get requested literally every week, especially Finnish and Latin
- EN for Farsi (or vice versa if not included in the previous point)
- IT for DE, PT for IT and PT for DE to complete the web of original languages
- RU for FR and RU for DE
- Basque and Quechua for ES
- maybe EN or FR for an African language, I just don’t know what would be the best language to start with
Probably most people on the English forum would prefer Basque for English. I just think the Catalan route is much more likely and makes sense considering where most of the people truly benefiting from it reside.
Are you implying beings in Spain or Latin America are gonna be the ones learning Basque even though the majority of Basque texts are meant for English speakers due to a large majority wanting to learn them. You also have to take into consideration most people learn Basque to revive it, therefore an English platform = more revivers. YOU MUST ALSO take into consideration non Basque peoples in the Basque area see Basque as too hard and unneccesarry, and probably wouldn't learn it. There is this sayingish thing that goes somewhat like 'Basque is so hard the devil spent 10 years there learning the language and only learnt 8 words, when he left he only knew 2.' You must also take into consideration that those who live in the Basque country already have tons of ways to learn the language, however people outside, aka English L1 and L2 speaks, don't
Edit: Since this forum is huge and I doubt anyone is really scrolling through, if I am downvoted and don't get a reply from you, I assume that means I won.
I wouldn't be surprised if the downvote is for your initial reply. I'll put the entire quote here so people can judge for themselves:
Now, let's get to your edited post.
the majority of Basque texts are meant for English speakers due to a large majority wanting to learn them.
Surely the majority of Basque texts are meant for Basque speakers, so I assume you meant learning material. I have no idea if that's true or what you are referring to when you say "a large majority". Of whom exactly? Any kind of citation would be appreciated.
most people learn Basque to revive it, therefore an English platform = more revivers. YOU MUST ALSO take into consideration non Basque peoples in the Basque area see Basque as too hard and unneccesarry
That doesn't make sense to me. First of all, the difficulty is the same for both groups (supposedly easier for Spanish speakers since Basque has been influenced by Spanish proximity). But more importantly, are you suggesting that people who interact with Basque speakers daily see it as unnecessary but people who hardly ever encounter them don't?
That's also why a course for Spanish speakers would be more useful at reviving Basque, you can't revive a language by studying it alone at home. How many English speakers do you think will teach the language to their children, and how many of those children do you think will continue to use it when everyone around them speaks English? Of course there is a way around that last problem, move to Basque Country. How many people do you think will do that? Teaching it to people who already live in the Basque Country (and mostly speak Spanish) avoids all those problems and is thus more likely to succeed at revival.
those who live in the Basque country already have tons of ways to learn the language, however people outside, aka English L1 and L2 speaks, don't
Isn't this contradictory with your first point? "The majority of texts are meant for English speakers", remember? But whether you were right the first or the second time, I imagine the same applies for Catalan, and Duo did decide it was more reasonable to start with a Catalan for Spanish course. And because of that alone, I believe Spanish is more likely.
The comment regarding most Basque sources was meant for Resources which one can find on the computer. Most Basque textbooks will be in English implying the teach of English speakers
And those who are Spainards are also gonna teach their kids? Plus it's not like Basque is spoken on the streets like that, it is mostly in the home.
When I said that people in Spain have a ton of ways to learn Basque I meant that there are real life classes and potential friends they could make if they chose to learn Basque, which Spainards rarely do, and I know this since I've asked my Basque friends about this and how they feel.
The same does not apply to Catalan in my opinion since the languages are more similar and you typically find those who already know Spanish, learn Catalan. Basque is different. I will also say Catalan is more freely spoken, however I can not say that confidently since I never looked into it. However, I feel Catalan could have done justice in English, I do think in does help more Spanish speakers.
Disregarding what you have to say because the whole thing was you wanted it in Spanish, not that you thought it was ‘more likely’
Except you were the one saying what you "want", not me. To make it easier for you, I'll put the direct quotes here:
Post 1: "some potential new courses include", not what I want, just courses I know people have requested a lot, have teams ready or I thought made sense if Duo wants to expand to new areas.
Post 2: I just think the Catalan route is much more likely and makes sense
Post 3: And because of that alone, I believe Spanish is more likely
When in a forum about what your opinions of Duolingo are, why would you speak like that? Implying you would prefer a Spanish course, honestly this isn't the first time you've been redundant.
Summary attempt. I am bound to have missed a lot.
Exercises and tests
- Only practice vocabulary (=Tinycards?)
- Learn Difficult/challenging words individually
- Alternative translations or always show best translation
- Grammar and chat bots
- Make skill level tests harder on the higher levels
- Placement test for individual skills
- Listening comprehension without word display (=use keyboard input?)
- Synchronize tinycards with actual progress on trees (to practice difficult words)
- Everyday situations dialogues/stories/conversations
- (introduction, meeting someone, daily activities, hobbies, shopping, ...)
- Construct a custom course from manually flagged sentences
- Count practice exercises towards crown level progression
- More translations toward target language at higher levels
- Bring back language test feature
- Listening exercises from videos
- More focus on grammar
- More context around sentences
- More intermediate & advanced content
- Random quizzes
- phrase(s) of the day
Learning controls and aids
- Better onboarding for new users (tutorial/slideshow)
- Reset single skills (learn anew, decide when to reach a new level)
- Enable/disable exercise types (listening, translating from, translating to, ..)
- Repeat individual lesson in a skill
- Tips and Notes in the apps
- Bring back single column Tips & Notes
- Skill decay / strengthening need indicator / spaced repetition system
- Word decay
- Sentence decay
- Red outline around weakest skill
- Conjugation tables
- Grammar notes not visible enough
- Word lists per lesson
- Option for strict checks on accents & capitals
Motivation & gamification
- More stuff to buy / more to do with lingots
- Holiday shield - protect streak 2wks, once per year
- Many more bonus lessons (e.g. a tourist lesson)
- Course progress statistics (active users, # passed checkpoint 1,2,3...)
- Bring back the trumpets and confetti for leveling up
- Bring back fluency meter
- XP competitions on the web
- Increase maximum level or make it harder to reach level 25
Communication & Language usage
- Public wall / Activity stream
- Private messages
- Only with opt/out, opt-in or block
- only when both parties follow eachother
- Clubs for desktop
- Bring back immersion
- Friend matching (pairing with someone taking the reverse tree
- Live chat rooms
- Maybe limit access to a certain minimum proficiency level
External material / additional tools
- Suggested reading lists at the end of each checkpoint
- Suggested songs, shows or movies at the end of each checkpoint
- FAQ per language at or before each checkpoint
- Direct users to institutions for language certification
- Tools to support reading and listening after finishing a tree
- Introduction to guidelines when making an account
- Additional tabs for different ordering (besides popular/new/followed)
- Sort posts chronologically, ascending & descending
- Hide (fold/collapse?) sub-trees
- Bring back hidden comments (for heavily downvoted stuff)
- Notifications for direct replies
- Add forum title in email notifications
- Also show moderator warnings in notification bell (aside from email)
- Return from post scrolls back to top instead of original location
- Improve search function
- Match most recent or best match instead of most popular
- Support quotation marks
- Boolean operators
- Indicate updated threads (since last view)
- Go to first new post of thread
- Find all posts from a certain user
- List native language
- Don't require scrolling to show all posts
- Show owls next to username of those having completed a tree
- Notification when you get a lingot and who gave it
- Popup country name when hovering over a flag
- Some way to address the agressive downvoting (remove downvotes?)
- Better markdown parser - Add a comment preview (to verify markdown code)
- Add hints to indicate upvote/downvote purposes (contribution/rule violation vs agree/disagree)
- Use colours with good contrast
- Add option to disable animations & visual effects (Duolingo & Tinycards)
- Announcements sub-forum
- More transparency on the incubator choices
- Staff announcements in other languages
- Help section translated to other languages
- Notify users before making big changes like switching a language tree
- Better way to volunteer
- Be more communicative, inclusive and open with your contributors.
- Make difficulty level the same on mobile and desktop
- Popup on-screen keyboard / web IME
- Split Classrooms from the main Duolingo platform
(so Duolingo can (re-)introduce less children-friendly features)
- Integrate Tinycards more with Duolingo
- Require course updates to also update decks
- Skills at level 5 don't receive tree updates
- Furigana on Kanji
- Crowd translated courses from English
- Fix the very incorrect computer generated suggested answers.
- Benefits for plus subscribers
- Better computer voices
- Reserved post for moderators/contributors at the top of sentence discussions
- "Don't report in Sentence Discussions!" message on top of each Sentence Discussion
- Collaborate on Tinycards decks
- Allow contributors to receive specific feedback from users when something is wrong with a card
- Tinycards forum
- Allow users to edit a local copy of a tinycard deck
- Make it easier to handle reports (e.g. reporter score, remove duplicates, ...)
- Ancient Greek
- Scottish Gaelic
- EN for Farsi
- IT for DE PT, PT for DE
- RU for FR and RU for DE
- Basque and Quechua for ES/EN
- EN or FR for an African language (which?)
- Georgian for English speakers
- Bengali, Serbian, Estonian
- Thai for English speakers
- More laddering courses
- Spanish from Spain (bonus lessons?)
More of existing content
- Stories for more/all languages
- Words tab for all languages
- Longer trees & more challenging advanced levels
- Grammar tags in all courses
- More courses with multiple voices
- Audio and speaking exercises for Chinese, Japanese, Polish, ...
About the new languages, my list would be:
For English speakers - Maori, Tahitian, Scottish Gaelic, Navajo, Cherokee, Lakota, Cree, Persian, Latin, Finnish, Croatian (plllleeaaase), Icelandic, Afrikaans, Zulu, Xhosa, Yoruba.
For Spanish speakers - Quechua, Nahuatl, Mapuche, Galician, Basque (PLEASE), Aranese Occitan, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Czech, Ukrainian, Polish, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Romanian.
For French speakers - Breton, Corsican, Occitan, Basque, Tahitian, Cree, Catalan, Esperanto, Russian, Ukrainian, Czech, Polish, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Korean, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese.
For Portuguese speakers - Tupi (Nheengatu), Mirandese, Guarani (Kaiowá), Veneto (Talian), Yoruba, Esperanto, Russian, Czech, Ukrainian, Polish, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Korean, Japanese, Mandarin Chinese.
Wow that took some effort.
I was just about to add "Notification when you get a lingot and who gave it" but there it is in your summary! Have a lingot from me!
An advantage of this is that you can see when people like your posts in the Discussions.
Wow, thanks so much for doing this! That must have taken a while. As I can't find the comment about this particular thing, I suppose I'll just reply here . . . third under "Learning controls and aids" is "Enable/disable exercise types (listening, translating from, translating to, ..)." I've thought about this before, but this could be sort of used like cheating; if you disable all the harder ones and only allow matching pictures with words, it'd be easier, but not effective. . . .
I gotta be honest, when I first saw the original post with Luis asking the question, I felt like I do when Christmastime is near and people are asking me what I want, lol. I kinda just go "Umm... uhh... I don't care, it's the thought that counts..." It's the same with the post, I couldn't think of anything, but this summed up everything perfectly, thank you! :)
Super yes to these especially:
- List native language
- Find all posts from a certain user
- Furigana on Kanji
- Audio and speaking exercises for Japanese
- Only practice vocabulary (=Tinycards?)
- Better onboarding for new users (tutorial/slideshow)
- Notification when you get a lingot and who gave it
Thanks la_ricfoi! One of those lingots is from me. :)
As a minor add-on --- it would be nice if you had the option to reset just one particular skill that you wanted at a time - instead of an entire course. Sometimes a skill is super challenging at first and you complete it but need more practice.
I find when I try to just repeat the finished skill or use the "practice" function - it never really hits the right points for me. Maybe resetting a particular skill would help some people so they can target what they want more practice on in a new way. It is so nice to be able to pass out of levels but being able to reset them might be helpful too! :)
Tighter integration between Tinycards and Duolingo (as other posts have mentioned); some specific desired features that come up often in discussions are:
- Tinycards decks that match the trees currently in use on Duolingo
- Synchronized progress such that I can go to Tinycards and practice words that I have had trouble with in Duolingo;
- (this might be addressed by the previous bullet) some way to address the major stumbling block to using Tinycards for anyone who is not just starting a language: how to get past all words I know but be able to practice the ones I don't even though they are mixed into the same set of decks
- a way to collaborate on decks: there are many Tinycards contributors working on the same topics; if they could work together on the same decks or sets of decks it would improve the quality of decks and reduce the workload on contributors
- a way for contributors to receive specific feedback from users; at the moment it is not possible to let a contributor know what is wrong with a card when there is a problem, only that there is a problem
- it might be nice to have a Tinycards forum
As a final thought, I believe there would be a large pool of volunteers (I realize wrangling volunteers is an enormous and thankless task) who would be willing to help build and maintain decks to correspond with the Duolingo trees
Definite +1 to testing out in tinycards, or syncronization with the your Duolingo tree. I also would really like to see speed recall games in Tinycards. Memrise has some that are legitimately fun to play. With Duolingo's push to game-ify language learning I think it could be an excellent way to make vocab review fun!
This is a very useful and underrated suggestion.
That info could be very easily collected as one of the sign-up questions and existing users could get a prompt to fill that in now. It could be useful for Duolingo to have that as demographic info, but it would also be good to know on the forum. Sometimes people ask questions that would be best answered by native speakers or at least people who have been fully immersed in the language. Having one or two badges with short abbreviations for native language next to the username can give helpful users that little bit of credibility when they're responding to discussions.
I agree. This is really important information that helps us assess the information we receive by posts in threads.
It is very confusing to see someone who seems to be at level 3 in a language confidently give advice on that language (and this is possible if that person is doing the reverse tree).
(As an interim solution, I've indicated my NL in my profile, and when I participate in discussions about languages that are not German, I normally state in my post that I'm not a native speaker of that language. But it would be much better if this information was easily visible for everyone.)
First of all, thank you for offering this space - already excellent as it is, but still possible to improve of course. And of course, thank you for asking our advices.
Here are the first ones I think of.
New languages of course, and my first-wish-list includes Latin, Ancient Greek, Finnish, Bengali, Serbian and Estonian.
Improvement of the courses lacking audio or speaking exercises (Chinese, Japanese, Polish, for instance).
More stories and in more languages would be excellent. But what about creating a sort of collection of Everyday situations dialogues (typical examples to start with: "introduce yourself", "meeting someone", "activities of the day", "hobbies" and so on...); it could give useful vocabulary, more natural, and idiomatic sentences (including the kind of set expressions you rarely find in the current courses such as "well..." "you see..." "Hey!" and so on...) and a touch of cultural, local flavor (an English course character would live in the USA, play baseball, visit Yellowstone... whereas a French course character would live in France, play soccer, take a stroll in Paris and eat "croissants").
The possibility to choose the kind of revision exercise you want to do (just translating from or to the learned language / just speaking exercises...).
Thank you for reading.
I agree with 4. and I think it might be possible to add a feature to mark sentences that you want to practice again. Then you could do a custom practice session with marked sentences and the kind of exercises you want (e.g. translating into the target language).
The Japanese course is getting a lot of attention and the active learners are growing by the day so I'll start with the Japanese course.
1) Allowing people to directly write using scripts when you have to type in Japanese so it is accesible and easier to both people that don't have an IME and people who have it but must switch back to English everytime (I used to write in English by writing the first letter in uppercase but I didn't find it that confortable). And also an option to switch from hiragana to katakana. It should work the same way as the IME that shows the kanjis that match the set of hiragana characters that you typed.
2) I would like to see furigana over the kanjis (and also other scripting languages) so we don't have to hover on each words to find out whether the hiragana transcription of the kanji (or the kanji of a word written in hiragana) is present or not.
3) Since the japanese language doesn't have spaces it would be useful if the app played more with colors to help people distinguish the different sections of the sentence to make it more intuitive.
4) It would be a good idea to approach the grammar in a different way, I think people barely look at the grammar notes and in the mobile version they are not even present. When people are in doubt they just look at the discussion. I think it would be a good idea to add grammar notes along with the translation or some other approach to get people interested in learning the grammar.
5) I would also like that labs were included inside the tree in some sort of way.
6) Have an option to practice the sentences you had more trouble with.
7) When you go on the section Words you can also have the option to practice sentences that use that word.
8) Implementing a new platform to create new courses that uses English as the standard language and have people to translate sentences and words in their own languages, also, there is an admin that accepts or denies the request or even ban people from sending requests. I know all the courses will look the same but people would have more languages to learn at least and maybe later on the course could be improved. Once a language standardized tree is translated using this method all the courses translated using this method will also be available for the speakers of this language. It would be like an alternative tree to learn all the languages available and since it's open to the audience every alternative tree would get to the hatching phase really quickly.
I agree with all except (3). I would find it very distracting. Kanji would solve all ambiguity and confusions in the lessons.
If only there was a way to have an option between using all kanji (for advanced learners) or the limited kanji (for beginners).
6) Maybe you could mark sentences that you want to be asked again soon and then do a practice session with only marked sentences!
Particularly 2) - furigana over the kanjis. There's another app that does this nicely - can turn it on or off depending on how confident you are. Unfortunately using that other app doesn't contribute to my Duo streak ;)
N°8 ohhh yes !!! Well If I understood correctly actually (french native here) . You mean : the same tree translated in every languages so all combinations native language/learned language would be possible and done very quickly ? If it's what you mean , I totally support that ! I don't understand why it's so complicated to make a new tree ? If there are many technical problems please explain . Right now you always need a new competent team of volunteers to create a tree from zero, it's seems complicated, long and hard to do ..
I don't think that would work since some things that are very easy in one language so you would learn it first, might be very complicated in another language so you would learn it only much later.
But it's still better than nothing.. It's an alternative tree before the actual tree. The users will know that they are not actual courses but are provided as an alternative. Some courses will never be released anyway...
Exactly , a simpler tree , neutral without cultural references, it would be better than nothing , right ?
I've seen several people asking for a dutch and japanese tree from french ....apparently it's very unlikely to happen.
Not sure how much I agree with (1).
People who don't have a Japanese IME should get one. It seems an awful idea for a person to learn any language without getting the ability to type it. I don't know of any device that doesn't have a free Japanese IME available.
I take the point about having to manually switch between Japanese input and English input for each sentence being a little tedious. But, if you use Firefox as your web browser for Duolingo, you can just get the following userstyle I made for the Japanese course:
This userstyle automatically toggles between Japanese input and English input for you, based on which question type appears! I've been using this for a long time. Can't live without it anymore. ^^
The standard Japanese IME in windows just inputs English characters whenever you start a sentence with a capital letter. Not sure what you need the toggle on/off for.
Oh yeah. XD
It's been something like six years since I switched from romaji keyboard input to kana keyboard input. I kind of forgot what you've said is possible when sticking with the standard romaji input method. I've just tested your suggestion in all four Japanese IME's I have installed in Windows 10 (Microsoft Japanese IME, Google Japanese Input, ATOK, Japanist) and it works in all of them. Only if I switch back to romaji input mode though.
In kana input mode however, the shift key is used as a modifier in combination with some of the kana keys to output alternative kana on that key. So your suggested method doesn't work for the weird people like me who type using kana keyboard layout. ^^;
For example: The Z key on a Qwerty keyboard normally outputs the full-size つ kana. To make the small-size っ you press Shift+Z.
That's the JIS kana layout you see printed on many keyboards in Japan. I used this kana input layout for about four years.
Now though, for the last couple of years I've been using Nicola kana layout. This layout doesn't use the Shift key. It has two thumb-modifier keys instead. Therefore, I can make it so that when pressing Shift+Z on Nicola kana layout, it outputs an upper-case Z... and this indeed does toggle to outputting English characters after it, like you'd expect...
However, unlike what happens in romaji input mode, with Nicola kana input mode it doesn't return to Japanese input after you've finished typing the English sentence. It's the same in all four IME's I mentioned, unfortunately. :(
So, due to my irregular situation, I had completely forgotten sensible people who stick to romaji input method might have no need for this automatic IME on/off toggler. ^^;
Even after saying all this, I personally use captials at the start and full-stops at the end of all sentences I type in Duo (including in Timed Practice...). However, if, rather than a sentence, it's just a single word or phrase, then I write my answer in lower-case (unless it's a name or w/e, of course).
Example "sentence": みどりいろ
I want to still be able to answer the above with "green", not "Green". I'm not sure if this is possible using your suggested method?
Seriously, it's becoming a bit of a joke how you guys seem to be dead set on NOT providing support for a Finnish tree, despite the countless requests for it and the endless upvotes it has gotten on polls asking about which new languages should be added.
There are plenty willing and able Finns who have stated over and over that they will gladly take up the task of creating the tree. I mean, they've already come up with the entire bloody course structure in preparation for when you finally (if ever) give it the go-ahead.
I dislike writing in this kind of tone, because I appreciate Duolingo and the work you guys have done for the most part, but it's very disappointing seeing EVERYONE who has asked be flat-out ignored.
5 million+ people are native speakers of Finnish. NO ONE is a native speaker of either Klingon or High Valyrian, yet both of those have been supported and widely promoted. It just defies logic.
So basically, either give us a definite "no it won't be added" (for whatever reason you guys pull out of you-know-where), or give us at least an indication that it might be coming in the near future.
With that out of the way, I think a great idea would be to add some sort of live chat rooms for languages, where learners of a language and course contributors can chat about anything (appropriate) in whatever language it is, ask questions and just practise writing (typing, same thing) and reading the language.
For those who immediately think of the horrific nature of most global chat rooms (as I did), I think that access to the chat rooms should only be allowed past a certain level, for example - to minimise the number of people just going on for the sake of being a nuisance. Of course the course contributors can be given abilities to remove people who are not following the rules even if they are the required level.
What does everyone else think?
Yes I too would support your call for Finnish - I remember the original aim of Luis to support people who want to learn each others' languages but have few other resources to do so; Finnish is a living language, spoken by people in their everyday lives, so is worthy of a place in Duolingo. For the same reason, I would also put more African languages ahead of say Latin, much as I would find Latin interesting. And I think your idea of a language chat room is worth Duo's consideration too!
I'd like the "follower" feature to mean something. People follow other people because, presumably, they had something interesting or useful to say in the discussion. This leads one to believe that the person might say other interesting or useful things. Regarding forum discussions, a one-click feature to view a particular poster's recent posts would be helpful. Better yet, the ability to send a message to a user to ask a specific question would be helpful.
Regarding searching the forum pages: Boolean operators don't seem to work. Quotation marks don't seem to have any effect either. For example, if I type "esperar una nueva trabajo" I get hits with the words esperar, una, nueva, and trabajo, but not the string. If it doesn't exist, it should say "Not found" or something like that.
Regarding language courses, the exercises are repetitive. Yes, repetition is useful, but to a limited extent. I have noticed that I get the same sentence over and over in subsequent exercises within the same module. No doubt, if I type "El baloncesto es mi deporte favorito" about a hundred times I get really good at it. Does the software have the ability to recognize that if I typed it correctly the first 99 times, I may be ready to move on to a different sentence within the context of leisure/sports activities?
Moderators in French are very responsive and rapid. Almost every time I report that "my answer should be accepted" I get an email within 24 hours telling me that my answer is now accepted. This is not the case in Spanish. I've seen, in the discussion pages, that some oversights and omissions were recognized four or five years ago and still not addressed. Somebody needs to wake those guys up.
It seems to me that the search feature tries to find the words in a string, and puts those at the top of the list, but if it doesn't, then it finds the post with the most of those words separated.
I would like to see the forum have a lot more functions than it does currently.
- Indicator on the forum as to which threads have been updated since your last visit, or a button to show new/updated threads only
- Go to first new post in a thread
- Notifications (besides email) when someone responds to you
- The ability to click on someone's profile and find all their forum posts from there
- I'd like it if native language could be listed on our forum posts
- The need to scroll down the page to make further posts show up is really annoying, and I wish it would just show all posts
Furthermore, the ability to message other users.
Also, stories in more languages. Personally I'm particularly hoping for Italian, but the whole Stories section is pretty slim pickings. The concept is brilliant, though!
can you give me a really good reason why you'd want to look up all the posts by a particular user. I can't think of one
Some users and/or course contributors answer questions with really detailed information about grammar, phonology, morphology or even semantics.
At times it makes you wonder what other great snippets of information are hidden in comments.
On other message boards I am/have been on, I tend to look for more posts from users whose posts I find myself consistently enjoying, whether it's because they're knowledgeable, entertaining, or both.
It would be the same here. I'd love to follow knowledgeable native speakers of the languages I study. That's not to say I'd necessarily be interested in every single post they write, but I would then be able scroll through them and read the ones that look interesting - posts I might not otherwise have found.
You can find all posts from an user by searching its name.
You can get email notifcations of new posts in a thread. This way you are directed to new posts.
Searching for a user's name will only find a match if that user's name is mentioned within a post. It doesn't work to look up a user's posts.
The recent changes to the forum have introduced a problem with this. When a user (or a search engine's crawler) requests a page, only the initial few posts are returned. Additional posts are only loaded as the user scrolls down the page. This results in Google only indexing the initial few posts, so unless what you're searching for occurs early within the page, it won't show up in search results.
I think there should be one addition to forum experience. Under your followed tab there should be an indicator what is new.
as we start planning for 2019, I’m wondering what new things or changes you’d like to see.
Given your interview with Entrepreneur last year, in particular your answer to question 14 there, are you asking our opinions on new or changed features to be able to remove those very additions/changes from your 2019 plans?
I wonder how not listening to your users fits with something he said just two weeks before that interview:
Deciding which language platform to build comes from user requests and the company received a large number of appeals for Zulu from outside of South Africa, said von Ahn. Users also asked for Afrikaans he added, which may come next.
I'm not saying this is the case with you, but I believe a lot of people are misinterpreting his response. Here is the question and his response, with some emphasis on key phrases that I've added.
- What's the worst piece of advice you ever got?
I don’t know if it's bad universally, or if it was just bad for me. When you’re building a product, typical advice is listen to what your users are saying. I have found that is terrible advice for Duolingo. The spirit of the advice is good, but a lot of times, there is a problem that arises. If the feedback channels are such that that only a few users get to talk to you, you are only hearing the loudest ones, not all of them, and that is where it breaks down.
We have a forum on our website where people can talk about language, but they often ask about features. I have found that listening to people in the forums is a terrible idea. For example, we redesigned the website a few years ago,and people in the forum were saying how terrible it was. Hundreds of posts about how this was the worst decision we had ever made. All the while we were looking at the metrics for the new website, and they were significantly better.
If you are just listening to the people who reach out to you, than that is a biased sample of people who are a loud minority. Of course that is not always the case, but unless you know what you are doing, you should watch out for that bias.
....and the next question to Luis is: 'So, do you really believe that you know what you are doing??' Sure the 'metrics' look good, because maybe they are configured now to show you the kind of results you always wanted to see. But what about the user experience? Are users actually learning more? The jury is still out on that.
Another design guideline somewhat related to this: "listen to the problems of your users, but not to their solutions".
It would be nice to be able to practice random weak sentences and not just the first weak skill. Another solution would be to add more sentences to short skills to be able to really practice with the crown levels and not only remember the few ones by heart. I'm thinking of the subjunctives skills in romance languages but it's probably the same in many other skills. Also I find the crown system great but it's hard to know exactly where to head first and it would be nice to have Duolingo helping out.
- use colors with good contrast. For example the green text on green background within the lessons is difficult to read for people with poor eyesight.
- add an option to switch off all animations / visual effects within Duolingo and Tinycards
- notify users in advance before making bigger changes like switching to a new language tree.
Thank you! I have sensory processing disorder, and some of the visual aspects of the site are actually uncomfortable or even painful for me. Such as the way the text boxes and the things after each lesson (the update to how many xp you've got that day, telling you that you've finished a level, etc) whizz across the screen. I wish they'd just switch from one thing to the next instantly, rather than having the motion across the screen.
Your last point, about notifying people of changes in advance, would also help me a lot. Thank you so much for addressing accessibility - it's something that so often gets forgotten / ignored.
I've also seen posts by dyslexic people, asking for the option to use the word bank on all non-spoken questions, instead of having to type, because they often spell things incorrectly and get marked wrong because of that.
An other reason for changing the font is a bit of consideration for native Italian speakers or Italian learners: l and I are very similar and in Italian "lo" means "the" or "it" or "him" depending on the context and "Io" means "I". Very often both words are in the options and it is very easy to mistakenly press the wrong button.
Owls should be displayed next to the username. There needs to be more recognition on Duo for finishing a tree.
Owls are more meaningful than levels as somebody can achieve a high level by repeating only a few basic lessons over and over. Some even use a cheating method to get the XP.
- We need something to spend lingots on. We are amassing them and amassing for no practical use.
- English sentences must be checked by educated natives. Many people complain that the solutions are weird and/or ungrammatical. I think the same would be true for other languages. No slang nor dialect should be allowed.
- Every lesson should be accompanied by list of words and expressions used.
- When new words are introduced they should have some grammatical information with them, such as gender in German or class agreement in Swahili, or basic verb forms in English.
- I think there should be more writing in learned language at the high levels. So far there are too many exercises which test recognising foreign words (reading) and too less exercises which allow to write a sentence in learned language.
I disagree with 3. Dialects especially should be allowed, they just should not be the preferred translation.
Yes. Also in Italian. We have no stories in Italian but I'm excited to try them out. Having more stories and for more languages is something a lot of people have been eager to see. Bots too, as Italian doesn't have the Bots feature either.
Thank you for making language learning available and very importantly affordable (free), the opportunity to learn English and other languages can be life changing.
If I could request one thing it would be the ability to select the word(s) one wished to review from the words tab and Duolingo then supplies a selection of sentences with those words being used in the strengthen exercise.
Yes! I think the ability to select specific words, sentences, or skills to directly practice what you need would be amazing. Sometimes you are only having an issue with a small part of a skill section or only certain words - and grinding an entire skill repeatedly is a little exhausting. Also, grinding across multiple random skills that you already know and have memorized (like the alphabet, for example) slows down progress.
You could select skills/words to practice more and ignore ones you already know well. Then when you know the new skills you can remove those and select different skills - or go back and select a skill you have forgotten.
It would be very nice to be able to hone in on exactly what you need extra work on - more time efficient. :)
I think it would be really helpful if you added the notes section to the app. It used to be there I don't know why you decided to remove it but I'd really appreciate it if you could please add it back.
Hi Luis, I think it would be great if you could bring back the practice section. I mean the one which you could individually review a lesson in a Skill. Bring it back and make many people happy again. Thanks.
I would like to see the option to learn a form of Spanish that is useful in Spain, with Spanish pronunciations and vocabulary, and the inclusion of vosotros. Mexican Spanish is not universal
I would like an option to be more strict, eg to mark missing/wrong accents and upper/lower case as wrong instead of allowing it.
Not all keyboards have accents. It is also difficult if doing a lesson on my phone to see which accent is being used. I am always grateful not to lose health when I get an accent wrong, and I note it for next time. I think it would discourage beginners if they lost health due to either of these errors.
I meant like a switch or a setting where I could decide whether I wanted it to be strict or not, ideally per language even (since some languages I want to learn 'properly' whereas in others I'm not so bothered, I just want to be able to get by...). By default it could be as it is now.
On the website, I always have a set of buttons with all the accents. You don't need a keyboard. And on my phone, I can hold down any letter and get all the options for accents. Is that not universal? I know it is for iPhones and Androids.
If you can't see the accents on your phone, you need to increase your font size or something.
It probably also discourages beginners if they don't for instance agree their adjectives with their nouns in French, but that's a key part of the language so it is correctly counted as an error. As should accents be.
Betsys I find your remarks condescending and discriminative, given the mental benefits of learning a second language I sure I’m not the only more mature student using Duolingo. Unfortunately, as we age both our hearing and our sight deteriorates, even the wearing of glasses does not restore the vision I had at twenty. A phone is light to hold and has the benefits of access, especially when travelling, however its screen size is limited. Its font is normally adequate for my needs (including book reading) and Duolingo itself has no adjustment. The accents are tiny black marks compared to its letter and the difference between left slant, right slant and even ‘arrowhead’ are not always discernible. Then, when I retype a word I recently read I will get error due to accent identification.
It's cumbersome to switch between a mouse and keyboard to type in languages with a lot of diacritics or foreign characters.
Depending on the installed keyboard on Android, it may or may not be easy to access other characters.
I'd rather see a method to accent the characters without mouse clicks, something like the system that Esperanto uses where you type cx for ĉ.
Staff announcements in other languages in addition to English.
(I think the business jargon term for this right now is "eating your own dog food.")
And the "Help" section translated to other languages in addition to English.
Or I could try and have my fingers drop off from clicking the button so many times. ;)
Thank you for all the responses! Just a quick comment to say we've written them all down and will be considering them along with our other priorities for next year.
In the meantime, however, I wanted to share two pieces of good news:
If you notice, we just brought back the alternative translations we used to have a few months!
A better version of Tips and Notes is coming to the apps in the next few weeks/months (it's already there for Spanish in iOS!).
I'd like to see the 'practise' button actually count towards the XPs and course levels etc, ie it would be nice to basically answer random questions across all unlocked levels and have them count, rather than just doing 15 of the same in a row, or having to manually click on various levels to do that.
The above would be great, possibly along with a percent showing how the portion of words/concepts which are up to date in the spaced repetition scheme. So I can then decide, "Oh, I'm up to date on 90% of what I've learned so far, I think I'll do a new lesson to add some more material." I think this would help with feeling lost in new lessons because we could get an idea how much of what we've been taught so far, that we have actually retained.
Each new lesson could possibly have a "practiced dependencies" indicator which would help us see if we're ready to move on.
Thank you for developing DuoLingo. It is a very handy education resource. As a parent of two children (and some nieces and nephews) who don't get second languages in the modern public school system until high school (and then only 2 years), it is greatly appreciated. It opens up the wider world.
Add Latin and Ancient Greek. Public school kids in the USA don't usually get access to this, while the better private and charter schools do. It would be of great assistance to many families in supplementing their children's education.
Suggested reading lists at the end of each checkpoint. It would give families a list of appropriate books to buy so they can practice and expand on the vocabulary and grammar learned to that point.
Suggested songs, shows or movies to watch at the end of each checkpoint. This would allow users to get familiar with native speakers use of the language appropriate to their level. This could range from kid shows to adult dramas.
Allow the editing of Tiny Cards. They are a good resource but there are some problems with the translations here and there. Allowing a deck to be personalized would not tax your volunteers as it is the individual user making changes to his or her personal deck.
A commonly asked questions FAQ for each language presented at or before each checkpoint.
An optional "tourist" tree, open to anyone, for those who want to learn words for short trips to a country.
Partnering with travel companies to offer affordable 1-4 week trips to foreign countries for purposes of language immersion. In addition to being an educational vacation, it could help DuoLingo earn some revenue.
Directing users to the appropriate authorities or institutions to evaluate and test each user's ability in a particular language at the end of each course. It might be a good way to independently verify the effectiveness of the program. If effective, it would be great advertising for this great program. If there are problems, it will allow for the identification and correction of those shortcomings.
Stock the DuoLingo store with items that can be purchased for cash. These can range from educational (dictionaries, workbooks, flashcards) to commercial (hats, t-shirts, etc.). This would allow users to purchase quality educational products while at the same time produce some income for DuoLingo (and help keep the core product free). This may be achievable by simply linking to appropriate Amazon products so you don't have to stock and ship goods.
#6 is an awesome idea. To begin with perhaps just a shortcut of the existing tree. I.e. flag words/phrases commonly used on a trip and let someone do it as a crash course before heading out on vacation. Later add specific sentences frequently used on vacation i.e. vacation skill(s). This is the best idea by far that I have seen in this thread. Gave lingot...
I'd really love it if you were to bring back the "language test" feature. It used to cost like 25 lingots and measured your mastery using all the skills from the tree. As far as I know at the moment you can only do this with one skill at a time (the level up feature)
Bringing back the "fluency meter" would also be nice. Though it's probably not very accurate, it gave a nice sense of progress and motivation.
Yes. Italian stories per favore! I'm more than eager to try them, and so are many people in the Italian discussions.
For me, The changes that I would like to see are:
- the ability to go back and do previous crown levels, or once you get to crown level 5 unlock all the crown levels so we can choose which ones we want to do.
- Test out difficult words or sentences from a range of different skills.
- Some way of telling us which skills need more practise, I am not keen on bringing decaying back completely because as you go up crown levels the amount of lessons in a skill mainly increases and if skills were to decay then it would take too many lessons to get it back up again.
Maybe a decay bar in each skill, that would tell you if your ovell words in a certain skill was weakening.
- Some way to communicate with each other.
Thank you for asking and listening :-)
- First: I miss the activity stream. I used to read the questions of my friends or new users and answered some on the sentence discussions. We discussed problems on the stream when the sentence discussion wasn't the right place. I learned from following contributors.
Maybe let users pay with lingots for posts on the stream to discourage spam.
- Increase color contrast according to web standards.
- Word lists per lesson (like before the crown update)
- the ability to repeat single lessons on level 0
- Latin in the incubator
Hire professionals to create / curate the courses. Why should the tech designers and web staff be paid but the language course creators work for free.
I'm pretty sure that's just not feasible. Duolingo has a hard enough time as it is getting enough money, and if they hire professionals to do that, Duolingo would no longer be free.
Also, you know those horrible sentences leaking into the more major courses? Those are from professionals; the special Pearson course's sentences leaked through that the volunteers (who did a better job than paid professionals) weren't allowed to change.
Those Pearson farts don't count as professionals as far as what I am saying. I am talking about linguists/teachers, not textbook manufacturers promoting their crappy industry. What I'm saying is that if the web developers/app developers/HR/etc. are paid but the linguists are not, then the language aspect is less valued than those other things. And it shows. But the whole point of Duolingo is supposed to be to promote language learning. I think that they should do more ads and use the revenue to pay linguists, which would make DuoLingo much better for the learners, who would therefore be happy to see the ads to use Duo for free or pay for an ad-free experience. To be clear I mean banner ads and the kinds they already have, not making you stop practicing and watch a video before doing a lesson.
I'm pretty sure the Scottish government could help fund a Gaelic course.
[Edit] - And probably a Scots course too.
This is a very interesting point. I bet many governments who want to preserve their country's language would be happy to contribute $$ to add/improve their language. They may even help with providing volunteers tied to school work. It could be a project (for credit) for English class to contribute to duolingo.
My "old" government definitely does. They support our language school in Canada. If Duolingo put a link on their site for governments and how they can support duolingo, they may be surprised by the results. Language sections of foreign universities might even help indirectly by providing server space. Some features have been taken away due to heavy server load it caused.
Sadly I cannot relate, though it is good to hear there are still civilized governments in the world. We are stuck with the idiots that, almost a year after it hit are at best bumbling and at worst criminally neglecting the recovery after hurricane María and were actively closing down schools even before the hurricane. Such a government is certainly not a partner when it comes to any type of education.
Hello! Website ideas:
I'd personally would like to see more things that you could buy with lingots. As I know that is a thing that keeps me VERY motivated.
I'd also like to see all the new words that you'll be learning in that specific lesson. Like the tab "words" but invidually for each lesson, so you could go to the specific one to practice extra or just see what you will be learning.
A fun new way to practice speaking the language would be having some kind of chat function. And to make it more secure you could either have so that both people have to follow each other to have a chat and/or have so that people under 18 won't be able to chat with those above.
I don't know about all languages but some of them I've heard the audio is fairly bad. You could potentially get some people together who are natives to record the sentences, for more efficiency with both listening and speaking.
To have a choice wether or not you wanna practice speech/grammar/glossary/listening while doing practice.
App ideas (IOS):
For the app I'd like to see the health being removed. As when I used it I quit multiple times just because that I ran out of health. (Would've quit Duolingo if it wasn't for the site).
I'd like the tips and notes for the language to also be in the app.
There used to be a new word list for each lesson. I would love to see this feature return.
For German students it would be amazing to have the gender of the word everytime we click on it for specification during an exercise. I learn the word alright, but when I have to use it in real life I need to look it up in order to know if it is der, die or das.
Hi, thanks for being here to ask questions about how you can improve Duolingo (which is already great, by the way)! Well . . . what happened to immersion? I watched your TED Talk recently, and you said that Duolingo would help teach people by translating the web, and also would be able to use that translated web to help fund it. So . . . what happened?
Sorry, that wasn't a suggestion for you; I'll try to stick to the topic. As some others have said, I'd like the alternative correct solutions that you get when you're wrong. Also, due to your new thing with Pearson (I don't know what to call it) some very iffy sentences have leaked into some of my courses, because it seems you shared the same database. According to Sitesurf, the databases are now separate, but can you get rid of those sentences, and can you let the course contributors at least edit or remove them, because they're absolutely atrocious? (I find it funny that volunteers create dramatically superior sentences than paid people from a textbook company.)
Also, what happened to the "hidden comments" thing for comments that were downvoted considerably? I kind of liked that because if a comment had something really offensive I wouldn't have to see it and all . . . although maybe it could be a little more downvotes than three.
Additionally, I think it'd be nice to have a little of the fanfare back that accompanied getting a golden owl and leveling up; nowadays I don't notice I've leveled up until a while later, and by then it doesn't really make me quite as happy.
+1 for the hidden comments and I agree that it should be more than -3 (although for some I wish I could make them go away immediately).
Also for the order of the comments not only the votes of the "root" comment should count. Sometimes someone writes something rather stupid and gets quite a lot of downvotes but then one of the replies is super helpful and gets many more upvotes. These helpful replies should be found further up in the discussion and not be buried at the bottom.
Threads should include a comment threshold slider. I.e. the minimum score to be visible.
People are posting multiple ideas per comment. So if the comment has a like, it is impossible to know, which idea or ideas, the liker like.
Please one idea per comment or after you get 500 new ideas, please list all 500 ideas and let us vote for our top 10 favorites.
Note: I can't even follow my own suggestion. There are 2 ideas in this post.
1) Post one idea per post. 2) In the future, let us vote on our top favorite 10 ideas.
Lesson Repeating Thanks for asking! Duolingo is great but I very much miss the ability to do a lesson as many times as I wanted without spiraling up the crowns. This was so key to retaining the material.
Return of the conjugations would be wonderful as well.
Hello Luis! I really thank you for everything here. Here are somethings that I wished Duolingo had a long time ago:
A chat room for all languages, and I can find friends and we can chat in every language that we like (clubs are filtered in my country).
Some XP competitions to make more challenge in the website (like some tests in different levels that awards Xp or Lingots to the winners.
A great XP shop that has things like personalization of the website (changing its theme), or more power ups! somewhere to spend our numerous lingots! You know when you have a lot of lingot, they're not worthy anymore :(
Learning listening through videos! Like Memrise, according to the native speaker's video we have to answer some questions.
Stories in all languages.
Being able to send our voice or video in discussion in order to ask native speakers to help us through voices or videos.
Chat bots on web version.
I know that they're a lot or I look like a greedy person, but I think these things will make a very very cool website. Please Luis at least do one of them :(
I made a post the other day that got fairly popular (110+ upvotes and 140 lingots awarded) about how the ability to reset individual skills instead of just the entire tree would be really helpful, especially when a tree is updated and new words are added to already completed levels.
Here is the post: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28146413
Also, I think it would be good to be able to test out of multiple levels at once instead of one at a time. If someone comes in with a basic knowledge of a language they may be able to test out of all five levels at once. That would be helpful.
I missed your popular post or you would have had 111 upvotes. Allowing individual lesson repeats would also remove the unhappy situation of wanting earlier review without having to start the entire tree again.
- skill decay...very helpful to have.
- fix the problem Duolingo is having with sound, or lack of it. I continue to struggle through with absolutely no sound at all, which wasn't a problem at all before the changeover...and, I'm not the only one.
Bring back the streams
a chance to translate with others
bring back the community
a reason to return
a reason to learn
streams were great to encourage progress i language
bring back the stream
bring back the immersion
bring back the friendlieness
bring back the talent that deserted for the competition
children will learn will you on the schools
but the adults treasure the joint process
bring the children on into adults with reasons
such as streaming, activity, immersion etc
I would like to see a smart Duolingo. That takes in mind your needs and desires in language learning.
I would like to be less boring as it is now.
I would like to see a system of motivation more efficient and effective than this crown system.
I would like to see a more social Duolingo, social learning is very important!
I would like to see the language teams revive. Some trees are not old actually here.
I would like to see Duolingo Stories and podcasts include more languages and fully connected with the grading system.
I would like to see new products as Duolingo videos, like those that already exist in YouTube channels about languages.
I would like to see literary texts, grammar books etc edited by Duolingo.
Thanks in advance, Luis! Keep on the good work!
Yes! I would absolutely love a better DuoLingo than the Crowns! The last system was great until Crowns came along and now I can't hang on to DuoLingo that much anymore. I just a better DL.
Don't roll out any new material until it's finished, checked and tested. Don't leave it to the users to correct the learning materials for you - they are learners
I disagree with that. Courses come out in beta first and are usually marked as such. Maybe make it more obvious that a course is in beta for those users who dislike working with incomplete material. But I'm happy to help beta test a course while also learning.
I understand that users can apply for beta-testing and are selected by DL and therefore the general material that most people use has been beta-tested. No?
But I like your idea about labelling beta material
No, people apply for alpha-testing when the course is still in the incubator. At that point, only those selected alpha-testers have access to the course, not the majority of DL users. Once a course has graduated from the incubator, everybody can access it, but it is marked as a being in beta, so that people who don't want to take such courses are warned.
Labelling beta material isn't my idea, it's already done. If you check the Klingon course for example, you will see that there's a small yellow banner at the top that reads "In beta".
Edit: I'm thinking your complaint is probably about the Spanish course - that was an update, so it's not considered in beta. Maybe it should be. (If that was not what you were about, please forgive me for jumping to conclusions).
Some improvments DuoLingo users would much appreciate are, improvment of syncronization between the desktop and mobile platforms, more items availible the lingot shop and adding the 'Discussion' forum to the mobile varient of DuoLingo.
Some people are complaining about no skill decay, and some people love no skill decay. I believe I might have a solution.
Checkpoints as a whole lose strength, so each "Checkpoint Passed" wouldn't be gray when it's completed, it would be gold. Over time, it would lose it's color, going to orange, red, green, blue, and finally, purple. To get from one level to the next, you would have to answer as many questions as you can correctly in 5 minutes, all from that checkpoint, and for every 5 questions you get correct in a row, 30 more seconds are added, so you have more time to answer more questions. Every correct question will e 2% of information to get to the next level, so you might be able to skip over a level if you're actually strong enough. Each correct question gives 1 XP, like in Timed Practice.
I dunno, just a thought that probably has a lot of holes in it, but I think you guys could make it work.
I wholeheartedly support that. You can't learn and understand a language fully if you just memorize words and basic sentences. You need to understand the structure in order to communicate well.
The idea behind teaching methods like Duo's is that you learn the grammar by thoughtfully, consciously analyzing the sentences presented to you in order to understand the grammatical rules. Memorizing sentences defeats this purpose. It's important to remember that Duo isn't some sort of phrase book (thus the nonsensical sentences we see sometimes). It's teaching by example and relying on the learner's intuition.
Whether this is the best way to teach a language is a matter for debate, but it is the path that Duo's devs have taken from the start.
That's true, but there should be more lessons about tenses and other complicated grammatical features of a language. I find exercises pointless where you get new words but the simplest grammar.
I don't see how sonia's comment implies that she doesn't want to learn grammar the duolingo way. It's just that there are often few lessons that actually focus on different grammatical structures.
I was referring to her comment about memorizing words and sentences. That may or may not have been her intent, but I thought it was worth mentioning because in my time here, I've seen many people mention memorizing sentences, when they should be focused on analyzing how the sentences are assembled, how and where words are used, etc.
Something to spend our lingots on! Those of us who have been here a while amass hundreds with nothing to spend them on.
I would love to be able to take extended (>20 sentences) language exams that covered a little bit of every skill, or with the ability to choose easy, medium, or advanced exams that cover basic or higher level sentences, respectively. If the exams cost lingots, all the better! Maybe you could even let us choose the desired exam length (20 sentences, 50 sentences, etc) or have the "easy" be shorter, something like that. I envision them being like the current "test out" function but longer and more varied. The "strengthen skill" quizzes don't currently cost lingots and don't cover varied skills in one go, since it just chooses your current weakest skill area to test you, so I think extended exams would be unique enough to justify existing alongside the other current exam-like features.
Edit: I would also appreciate more "Tip and Notes" although I know that is specific to each language team, not Duolingo as a whole. The English->German tree is in pretty good shape, but the English->Spanish tree is a bit sad at the moment.
Thank you for asking and thank you for reading!
Hello, Luis, pleased to hear from you. What a surprise! I see you are learning languages, too. I am very pleased with Duolingo. You and your staff have done a great job. Here are a two suggestions off the top of my head. I am still in shock that you posted.
- Improve the quality of the female voice in French.
- Allow me to see a usage graph for different durations, not just the past few days.
- Put gender in the pull down menu from the sentences.
Let members be able to contact each other on their profiles again. Please update the forum so it will be easier to see older posts (and improve the search engine) so not the same questions are asked all the time (it's possible to see requests for Latin 2-3 times a week). Make it look like a classic forum design. These things would improve DL easily (especially when the first one was implemented once).
At the end of the tree, there could be monolingual exercises. When I study Spanish I don't want to use English much.
But this only works at higher crown levels. The first crown level is meant for the introduction of new material. And this works only in the direction language learned --> source language. You may have mastered many skills until reaching the end of the tree, but if the last skill of the tree simply involves new vocabulary or a new tense, the other direction wouldn't work.
For higher crown levels, I agree.
Monolingual exercises are different from anything Duolingo offers. I would like to be able to translate into my target language only instead.
I love the duolingo stories, but I think the best parts about them are the pictures with the accompanying sentences. Makes me think something along the lines of a comic book would be really helpful!
Thank you so much for posting here!
I'd like to see, probably in order of importance:
- Focus on core functionality, and focus on on doing things well, rather than adding more courses, more languages, etc.
- Better communication with users, including things like responding to bug reports when they get fixed, following-up on bug reports to troubleshoot them, etc.
- Better follow-through on newly launched courses...things like getting audio for Swahili, full audio for Vietnamese, Hebrew. Bug fixes for all new courses and site-wide issues. Getting courses like Chinese, Japanese, Korean up to the level of quality of the core courses.
- Getting the spaced repetition algorithm working better again (I thought it worked well about a year ago and I think it's basically broken and unusable now.)
- Reduction of use of A/B testing and gradual rollouts. I think it's fine to use these to an extent but I'd rather they be used sparingly. It's not pleasant to feel like a guinea pig, or to continually run into "Really? I don't see that feature when I use the site!" when trying to post about things in the forums.
- Focus on the web app, including continuing it being mobile-responsive. I would prefer if Duolingo phased out the android and iOS apps because I think it takes resources away from maintaining the core product. I personally think using the website in a mobile browser works WAAAY better than the apps as-is and this makes me wonder why you waste so many resources developing and maintaining the apps.
One of the best comments here! Luis should definitely explain why Android and iOS need separate apps instead of all platforms using web version.
Maybe make possible for other languages get their Stories
That would be a nice start.
Enhance the algorithm, instead of repeating something for 100 times, add more content, and I know there is more content, at least for norwegian tree, but "you" still did not add it.
Stories for beginners! I mean, I'm not advanced enough to read the lab stories yet, but I really need practice like that.
I think that stories are great and I hope that you continue to grow them. However, I think they are super important for people learning languages that use unique scripts like Japanese and Korean. I would love to see some more love for the Asian languages in general. Asian language stories, better sounding voices, proper kanji readings. Japanese, at least, needs another look over. There's a bunch of issues and missing features that other languages have, which is a shame.
Moreover, while I think that existing content should get a new coat of paint first, I think it would be great to add Latin. When I first got here, I was surprised not to see it in the list of languages. It's a language that stems out into so many Western languages and learning it would create deeper understandings in both newly learned languages and, perhaps, a language you've spoken your entire life.
As much as a stretch as this is, I think taking an endangered language initiative would bee so cool of you guys. Again, more attention is needed to some of your languages you already have, but wouldn't it be so cool if you guys did a Navajo course? With interest and with it being easily accessible, I bet you guys could do a lot of good for endangered languages.
I wish that the desktop and the app could do the same things, bring them closer together. Clubs on desktop would be great and I would also like to be able to look at the discussions on my phone.
Lingots are a cool feature that you guys could do more with. I love that there are cool extra lessons you can buy with them but, sadly, none for Japanese. That for more languages would be awesome and new features for lingots would be neato.
Lastly, I think Duolingo really needs more in the way of explanation. Let me click on a word and see how it's conjugated in different ways, click on a grammar point and have a small description of why it's the way that it is. Give me more kanji in Japanese and more ways to learn it and pick it apart :p
1- There should be levels higher than 25
2- Add another tree skill and new lessons ( after the learner finish the first tree )
3- It would be so great if system of the app be like this one
4-The ability to search on someones account ( how can i find my friends ? )
5- The ability to chat with people would be very helpful for many reasons!
6- and finally add new things for the shop because there is nothing useful to do with the lingots!!
As is available in some other language programs, namely Mango, the ability to learn the phrase, but also understand its literal translation in addition to its meaning would be a nice addition. It would also be useful if it were better understood the uses of different words. For instance, in the Czech course, both Ahoj and Dobry Den translate as 'hello'. It is not made clear that one is a formal greeting and the other informal, which I believe would be helpful if specified.
I don't use Duolingo as much anymore, but there is still some features that I am interested in seeing, first and foremost being more uses for Lingots. You developed the "Lingot" mechanic to gamify learning, but it doesn't feel like much of a game at all because there is no real reward for collecting lingots other than buying cheats (Streak freezes, etc). Make minigames, cosmetics, etc that you can buy with lingots and go all the way with that concept.
In regards to actual course content, a lot of people were deeply dissatisfied with the Asian language courses (Japanese, Korean, and Chinese) and this is why the competitor Lingodeer has grown to be so popular. What is most important here is developing serious methods to help users learn the alphabets of non-latin-letter languages and having grammar explanations for all courses. But especially grammar is important for the Asian languages. And make these grammar notes accessible from the app as well.
I made a detailed review of Lingodeer vs Duolingo when Lingodeer first came out, but it got downvoted to oblivion because users don't like recognizing competition, but i made the post in hopes that Duolingo could improve and overcome this situation, the post can be found here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/24541702
Make the global PRACTICE (re-strengthen) button:
more intelligent: mix content from several skills randomly (I heard there are two new bugs for high L5 skills and 100% strength trees, so it may not be advisable at the moment to reach the highest level!)
and customizable: I want to focus on mixed content from 26+ grammar / verb tense skills!
and allow a user to work from the BOTTOM to the top.
This would be good for:
recently learned skills with 4h + 12h + 1-6day required spaced repetition (SR) review intervals
not so often practiced skills as you do not reach the 2nd half or last 1/3 of your tree with re-strengthen exercises that easily:
Words decay from previous skills all the time from 100% back to 75/50/25% which you have to re-strengthen first, so you actually would need to invest a lot of daily / weekly XPs to make that happen and go for a 100% strength tree.
Maybe an option in /Practice/ to mix content from several skills, but I would hate to lose the ability to use practice to focus on a skill that is causing me grief. Now that we can't go back to repeat lessons, having a skill focused practice capability is critical.
but I would hate to lose the ability to use practice to focus on a skill that is causing me grief
This is thankfully more simple.
Do not start a global PRACTICE, but instead of use the single "skill practice" exercise.
having a skill focused practice capability is critical.
Exactly this. I agree with you.
This is IMHO very important for spaced repetition (SR) to practice and re-strengthen a skill 4h + 12h or 1-6 days later, after you have recently learned it.
I do not understand why the developers in the US HQ have taken it away from their "crown overlay UI web frontend" for skills lower than L5 crown level.
But you can choose and re-strengthen a single skill here: http://www.duome.eu/USERNAME/progress
It will even work for your L1-L3/L4 skills that are not on the highest crown L5 level!
Viele Grüße / Muitas saudações / beaucoup de salutations
Yes why not 100 hundred levels. I've only been doing it for 10 months or so but am level 23 already just from the one language. There are so many people at level 25 now it must reduce motivation not seeing your levels increase. I am far from fluent and will keep on learning but I'd like to carry on gaining levels after I reach 25. The gaps between levels could increase but not too much bigger than 24 to 25 because it can take ages between levels.
After all what will the reminder email say when I get to level 25 in September? "Today's goal reach level ?????".
I've seen Latin requested a lot, and I also would like to be notified when I get a Lingot - or, if it was on a comment, told who gave me the Lingot and what comment it was put on.
- The Forum section on the app (Android).
- Speaking exercises for the Russian tree (at least on the app).
- More things to buy in the store.
- A Latin, Farsi, Croatian and Finnish tree.
Also, for some people who need it, please make a section for slang. You can add it into the shop.
Thanks for asking Lewis,
More context for sentences. Many many wrong answers and discussions revolve around different imaginary scenarios. Please start to introduce context. There are many ways to do this. There could be a short contextual paragraph in notes and tips that fits each section. Simple illustrations (there is a lot of empty real-estate on each page).
Fix the very incorrect computer generated suggested answers.
- Better integration between the apps and web experience.
- The ability to communicate with “friends”
- The gender of the computer voice should match the sentence.
- Increase levels, start adding more intermediate & advanced content.
- Allow for more contributors for sentence creation and content improvement. There’s a backlog of highly qualified potential contributors and a backlog of sentences that need fixing and possible course improvement, and an obvious bottleneck there.
- Be more communicative, inclusive and open with your contributors. Consider some compensation for them. They are the backbone of all this, volunteering whie others are paid.
The ability to choose which set of skills you get tested on when using the practice option.
That should allow you to test yourself on multiple tenses at once. An alternative would be an option to mark sentences for one time or indefinitely and then practice only marked sentences.
This is something that I've pondered on in the past few weeks, too: It would be nice to have more targeted "practice". Perhaps a "shadow tree" that would include all your skills and crowns that you have acquired so far, with individual skill levels to be selected? Something like that -- so that you could choose either "general practice", and then be surprised by the suggestions of the system or "targeted practice", and then find your current status of the tree, with the possibility to choose.
I'd like to see the following:
I'd like more type in the language you are learning. I workaround it by doing reverse courses and now laddering. However, it would be nice to get a higher proportion of write in the language you are learning in the regular trees (in my case, Spanish for English speakers).
There are five levels, but the level of difficulty doesn't seem to increase. More difficult sentences and more sentences in the target language would keep me interested for longer.
For each skill, a list of the words to be learned in that skill and some indication of the grammar covered. I know you personally dislike grammar, BUT none of us are babies anymore. Adults (and older children) are going to have questions if the grammar differs greatly from their own language. The process of learning is different than when we were small children. I know that your dream is to teach us a language without teaching grammar, but at the very least... I'd like to know what's going to be taught in a particular skill. Then, I can consult other resources for the details.
I'd like better computer voices. For now, I have the sound turned off because 1) the pronunciation is often quite bad in both English and Spanish. 2) I don't need a lot of help with pronunciation in either language. 3) Sometimes they even say a word than what is written. However, I will probably turn in back on for French but it concerns me that I can't trust the audio.
I have noticed the majority of sentences tend to be translation exercises from my target language (Norwegian) into English. This is fine at lower levels but not so much as I advance.
My opinion is that many people would tend to think of what they want to say in their native language and then attempt to say it in the target language. So, it would be helpful that as a person achieves higher levels in a particular skill that a shift in focus occurs to a greater proportion of exercises being from English to the target language.
Along the same lines it would be good if additional sentences were introduced at each level of the skill rather than continuous repetition of the sentences in the earlier levels. Additional sentences could highlight the skill's topic in different ways and, or emphasize elements of sentence structure that tend to be problematic for learners (e.g. the choice of preposition and the use of verb-preposition combinations in Norwegian)
I agree. I think that when you have reached a certain level you should have the option to chose to translate only from English to the target language, and be able to revert back if it is too difficult for you.
Hello and thanks for posting this discussion!
I would like to have interactive pronunciation tools if possible. While I can press a button and it will speak the sentence, I am thinking of something more focused. I just started learning Dutch and it has sounds I'm completely unfamiliar with. Going to youtube to watch a video on pronunciation doesn't offer the repetition I need. It goes through 29 or so letters and I am not going to remember #1 once we've made it to 29. I wish I could articulate this idea better.
Also, It would be great if I could revisit individual lessons I've already completed.
And, I wanted to say, thank you very much for adding email confirmation! I know it has now been around for a while. But, I am still super happy about it. It has made a big difference for me. :)
The ability to repeat lessons is the thing I miss most sone the crowns update. I used to re-do lessons as a form of practice since the actual practice button never gave me the sentences/topics I actually needed to review.
What about giving moderators power to delete posts or make them invisible if necessary?
Moderators already have the power to delete posts if they violate DL's guidelines.
Thanks for everything you do. Duolingo has greatly enhanced my life. But there are a few minor changes that would improve the experience of what is already available.
Please make it so you can zoom in to read on a small screen. Not all of us have young eyes and some accents are simply indistinguishable without this. I don't mind making mistakes but having to guess because the text is illegible is frustrating.
In a similar vein please taylor the timed practice to a persons normal typing speed and to the length of the sentences and take account of needing to switch keyboards. It has never been possible for me to use timed practice because I have arthritis and simply can't type as fast as necessary except on the shortest of sentences.
Improve your voice recognition software. I would love to be able to do speaking exercises where the traffic didn't have a better chance of getting a question right than I do.
I am not going to waste time asking you to fix the kindle app as it has clearly been abandoned but it would be great if you could fix the display issues there are with Silk, the kindle browser. The question overlaps the progress display and long sentences don't always fit.
And replace the activity stream. It was wonderful, we really need something to replace the social function it provided. I feel so much more isolated than I did when we had it. You always want people to stay motivated, well that is the best way of all to let the community motivate each other.
And Finnish. You know we want it!! Make us happy, let a team start working on it.
I find it difficult to keep switching back and forth from Spanish to English layouts for learning French and German. Every time I want to do a French lesson, I switch everything to Spanish, (because i find French from Spanish to be easier and good Spanish practice) and that switching takes time, then I have to switch back to English for the German lesson. I would like a more seamless experience for people who are bilingual and want to learn from multiple languages.
I enjoy learning with Duolingo, but really I would like to see a basic 'holiday' section where I could hear and repeat the phrases I may need for a holiday.
That's not something Duo can control. The French staff moderators are the ones that add the content to each course.
If you could add a column for which lesson each word first appears in under the "Words" tab, that would make it easier for us to find where that word was first introduced and look at the notes for that section. (Hopefully that info is stored somewhere already, otherwise it probably wouldn't be worth the work)
More languages, of course.
More word lists, for all of the languages we have. I had to start my own for Swahili and Hebrew, and I expect to do so for Hindi.
Correctly working word lists, with all words in the lessons, updating correctly, and linked to the correct lessons.
More than one word to practice in the Hindi alphabet lessons. I have translated one/ek dozens of times so far, often several times in succession.
A better way to volunteer. I have taught English in the Peace Corps in South Korea, recruited translators and localizers for One Laptop Per Child, edited textbooks and software manuals, done QA, done software and database development, and been a high level tech writer in Silicon Valley. I have not been able to get anybody's attention about projects I might work on for you.
Microwave-style lessons, such as the Peace Corps and Foreign Service use. We would get a sentence or two, and have to make prescribed changes. We would start by substituting words, then changing numbers and tenses, then combining sentences in various ways. We could also do set replies to stock sentences as dialogues.
More tools to support reading and listening after we finish a tree.
Book, music, and video clubs. I have read all of Harry Potter in Spanish, and I have started in on the more than a hundred Zarzuelas available on YouTube, along with all of their librettos on TodaZarzuela. Then there are Italian, French, German, English, Russian, and other language operas and operettas.
Any chance of Classical languages: Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, Classical and Koine Greek, Classical Latin; Classical and Buddhist Chinese, Hindu and Buddhist Sanskrit? Yes, I know I'm reaching, and it would depend on finding enough experts and students both.
Those are things I have been wanting. No doubt I will think of more as I move on further into other trees.
Every so often when I am doing my Spanish lessons a thing pops up where duolingo tests my understanding of Spanish so DL can know how well they are doing. So I take the test and at the end I am told not to worry if I missed some of the answers but I am never told which I have missed. I would like to know. I would like to see these tests more often as they are a little different than the usual two word sentences in the normal lessons. I am sure these two word sentences serve some purpose but they are tiresome.
I agree with nashrambler. Those are real tests of your knowledge of Spanish. In most of the other Duolingo tests, one can not simply guess about what is the right answer, knowing that the solution has one noun, and you are given two noun choices.
The tests test your overall knowledge of Spanish, not just what skills you have gone through on Duolingo.
The tests are much better and more difficult then the level skipping tests. However, these tests can reveal much that you know or don't know in 15 minutes or less.
It would be nice to access these tests, perhaps once a month, to see how much progress in learning Spanish is being done.
As mentioned above, these tests are especially nice, because it measures all your Spanish skills, not just the skills, you may have gotten by doing a particular Duolingo excercise.
These tests are more like a high school or college Spanish final, where not all the students are going to ace the test.
I would guess that there are some people, who proudly proclaim that they have a golden Spanish tree, will not get all the questions right.
There will also be some people, who will do very well on the test, who have spent very little time on Duolingo, and have learned Spanish elsewhere.
They show up from time to time on the Android app. I don't know if they're a feature in the iOS app or not.
As EseEmeEre indicates, I use an Android app. Also I don't know if they show up before you finish the tree, (reach level 25), although EseEmeEre who is at level 21 knows about them.
An easier way to type accent marks. E.g some websites allow ctrl+letter to become an accented letter in the typing box.
Better arrangement of skills in trees. I get very confused as to what skill is where. Maybe skill groups can be created, or they could be arranged in a different way on the tree page?
A small 'Practice' button in the top bar, or somewhere accessible. (https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/25008373)
I would like to try bots on Android, years after lauching the feature for iOS we do not have them on Android yet. Also the new characteres I would like to know this one is already out of plans for Android too.... I'm not not sure if these feature is on the "to do" list of features to Android.
For the Android app:
Some kind of visual representation of Strength for each skill, so that we don't have to go back and forth from the Duolingo app to Duome.eu in the browser in order to determine what skill to improve next.
It would be nice for the alternative translations to return.
Ability to switch from word blocks to direct typing for all of the Asian languages. This function is available in the web version.
For the Japanese course in particular, a toggle to the "Kanjified" version of sentences; It is the only language presently taught here with sentences not written in the same way the natives would write them. The Japanese course should be more like the Chinese, which does have the sentences written in characters instead of Pinyin. Perhaps a new system that includes Furigana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana) would be ideal (Lingodeer uses this).
Related to point 4, a longer, more polished Japanese tree. And, perhaps Stories is the right medium to teach the difference between formal/informal language which is hard to do in the main App with just one sentence or phrase to translate.
Ability to read Lesson notes, just like in the web app.
As for Duolingo in general, I would like some more languages in the Incubator, like Georgian, some variety of Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian, Kazakh, and Thai for English speakers, as well as more laddering courses (like Dutch for French speakers and its reverse, which would be quite popular in bilingual Belgium and its schools, or Romanian for Hungarian speakers, which would be useful in Romanian schools)
I want to thank you for improving communication by asking us, and for the ability to test out crown levels which has greatly motivated me to spend more time studying on Duolingo.
I think the blocks are on the web so you don’t have to keep guessing where the keys are. Plus actually having to type it helps you remember the word, especially with the foreign spelling of Asian languages.
Hey Luis, I would like to see:
- More items in the lingot store (general quizzes, games, more outfits, bonus skills in more languages)
- Clubs on desktop PLEASE!!!
- Stories in other languages (particularly Swedish!)
- Latin on Duolingo
- Bots in more languages (and on desktop)
- Tips and Notes in the app
- More benefits for Plus Subscribers
Thank you and I hope these help you in finding out what the Duolingo community wants
I think mobile version would be better without health system and I am hopelessly waiting for Persian
- Better placement tests, please! Don't just unlock X skills, set these skills to appropriate colors.
- Option to specify your native language (maybe with a test to confirm it). Display the native language of users.
- Disallow exact repetition of the same sentence when testing out of a skill. I just had to translate eik/one six times in a row (!) to test out of a skill. This is not useful.
Agreed. An incubator news update last year said all the Swahili sound files had been passed to Duo staff to be added but nothing ever happened.
If a course is allowed out of Beta without sound there should be a clear explanation as to why.
Another detail, but it would be great if when you hover the mouse over a flag-circle in the forum beside someone's name, it would pop up the name of the country. I know most of the most popular flags but have no clue about lots of them. That would be a very easy way to learn them.
Hello, I think it would be useful to have real dialogues so that we can listen to them and hear how the language is used in a conversation. So maybe a little dialogue at the beginning of a topic where the new words are used
Duolingo stories in Japanese. Please Luis, it is difficult to find well structured and easy stories to learn Japanese, your system is perfect to make it works.
We would like voice recognition too in Japanese and perhaps more kanji, the current content don't get us to N5 in nihongo.
Japanese needs so much more, I'm with you there very much. More kanji, better sounding voices, correct readings in context. Stories are so amazingly important for languages with other scripts. Use that to test my listening, my kanji reading, my general understanding. Oh man, Japanese Duolingo stories would be a dream come true for me.
Hey! I'd like to see Italian stories, that'd be awesome. Also, a thread the other day mentioned having a report option on threads. Thanks.
- Frankie. :)
I would like it to be easier to switch between languages, the drop down box is too short when learning more than a few and it's difficult to scroll.
And it would be nice to see overall progress for all languages at once better (eg progress bars for each). And adding on screen keyboards for languages like Hebrew, Greek, Russian, etc would be nice. I know I can change my actual keyboard but then I don't know where the letters are then so that doesn't help (currently I use lexilogos.com). :)
I've found that with Spanish, French, Irish, Catalan, High Valyrian, etc., accented letters and letters that do not appear in the language from which you are learning are included under the text-box; do the other languages not have each character like that?
No, none of Hebrew, Greek, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, and Hindi have this. I guess this only appears for languages using Latin scripts.
Oh, okay. I suspected something of the sort; it would be hard to have a whole different alphabet like that. Yes, an on-screen keyboard would be nice, but if you change your normal keyboard settings, and use the computer's onscreen keyboard, it will automatically change to the other language, and therefore you'd know which key to press for each letter, and you can use that onscreen keyboard. (If you want to know how to change your keyboard settings or use an onscreen keyboard for Windows, just ask and I can help.)
Oh ok, maybe I'm just doing it wrong then. :) I tried changing my keyboard which works but there is no on screen guide as to which key is now producing which letter, so I couldn't really use it (this is a laptop with windows 7 by the way).
I just googled this to find out how to do that, that's brilliant, exactly what I need, I had no idea it existed! Thanks very much for mentioning it! :)
You're welcome! I've done it once or twice myself, just to see what keys are on the Spanish keyboard. I'm assuming that since you've googled it, you already know how to do it? Then that's great!
Just make the lesson notes available within the apps, it's all I ask :)
(Also the computer generated voices used in several courses are awful. I know it's a lot of work to record a human voice for each sentence, but it would be so useful for listening and practising pronunciation.)
They're already available on the mobile website, but it's not great having to switch back and forth
On Android you can switch apps back and forth by pressing the square button twice.
Most users use the apps rather than the website and hence many/most are not aware that the notes exist. Up until a few days ago I had no idea that they were available on the mobile website; that was a chance discovery.
I think it would be really awesome if we had the ability to message other users directly, which would allow people to practice in the language that they're learning with others much more easily. Also I think that there need to be some more courses considered, especially Latin and Finnish as I see them suggested almost every day.
Quote: I would love to have the skill strength spaced repetition (based on words decay) back
[HOWTO]: Different ways for spaced repetition with skill strength viewer (user script and extension): https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29304553
(The Wiki was written for the old Duolingo SR system, in the pre-crown era before the rollout of the "crown update" in April 2018!):
Here are some things I would love to see on Duolingo:
a Latin language course. I know and understand that it's a "dead language" but in the forums I've been seeing a lot of requests for it and would also like to see it myself.
Duolingo stories in lot's of other languages. I know that you recently added 3 or 4 new languages to stories but there's plenty of other languages that people would like to see there as well.
Just an idea I came up with for practising new or challenging words after you've finished the course it was in. Have a button along the side that if you click on it, you can add up to 5 or 6 words you've learned and have Duolingo take random sentences with those words in them from other courses. I understand that this is extremely difficult and I won't be disappointed if I don't see it on Duolingo.
These are some of the ideas I've had and I hope they helped! :)
If you are going to teach Latin or Old English for example, please teach them with their vowel length distinction.
This is something you have to learn early on like Chinese tones because you would have to learn every single word and ending again if you later decided to learn the vowel length.
I would be totally hyped to see Duolingo Stories in more languages, especially in Russian, Japanese and Chinese, considering those languages have a very large presence on the internet. I think the stories are a really good feature in general and would love to see them expanded.
I used to use a site that allowed people to write up paragraphs and things on particular topics and then have other users check and add corrections to earn points. How about that?
If it is fun. But to me competition in clubs is way to go. There are many possibilities in clubs.
I'd love for you guys to just ask us before introducing a new feature instead of just doing an a/b test and leaving us in the dark through the whole process. That's what happened with immersion, crowns, health in the app, bots, the activity stream, etc etc. Also, on that note, having immersion and the activity stream back would be fantastic! Thank you so much for creating & sustaining such an awesome platform for us.
I am very happy with the re-introduced testing out feature.
My wishes are these: I have always wanted to translate mainly into the target language (I have just reached levels higher than three – thanks to testing out, so they may or may not already give me that option.)
Listen to the contributors: there are some issues they can't solve like incorrect pronunciations, alternative characters that can't be used, spaces that are acceptable but get marked wrong,
Make reviewing the "my answer should be accepted" and "there is something wrong" reports easier. This could be done by showing reports by users with previous good reports earlier. That way incorrect reports may be pushed back. Maybe you could prevent the same report from popping up dozens of times.
Maybe you can make contributing easier on the whole and improve the text-to-speech programs (especially Dutch and the ones that are incomplete).
I am currently using duome to see which skills I should practice. Maybe there is some way to re-introduce a feedback which skills should be practiced that is not demotivating.
Try to make the practice button better, please.
Can you allow some custom options for practicing? Like combining several past tense lessons, so that you don't know before which exact tense you are going to be asked for in the sentences. [Or implement "marking" sentences that you want to review soon, and then make a practice session from the marked sentences]
Please also re-introduce notifications, so that we can see when somebody has replied to our questions.
I would wish for Wings to Fly
But wait. Duolingo has already given me wings and I can fly all around the world to infinitely varied cultures, strung together like pearls on the thread of our common humanity.
So what more could I ask for? To fly higher, farther, faster and more frequently. :D:D:D
And what would help me do that? So many wonderful suggestions have already been offered already and I don’t want to be repetitive. So, I think I’ll just second:
Bring Back the Bots
The Bots encourage very active engagement and build confidence for holding a conversation, producing answers to questions, inquiring for information.
The Bot conversations you put together were excellent. Why not think of expanding and advancing the Bot repertoire by tapping into the great pool of Stories you’ve already created. In other words, build bot conversations around existing Stories.
So like this: I’d complete reading a story. Then I’d have or a conversation that puts me in the story or a in a similar situation: I buy up all the chocolate croissants as a ploy to meet my inamorato, I ring my friend at 3:00am to fix my flat tire, I tour about on the bus chatting with my imaginary childhood friend without recognizing them or any of the clever situations you have created for the German, Spanish and French stories.
And as long as I’m wishing on a star, make it possible for the volunteers who create the courses in other languages to translate the stories into their own languages (Irish, Turkish, Norwegian, Hindi, Japanese, on and on, I love them all) so we learners can fix flat tires, horde croissants, or chat with imaginary pals across the entire linguistic gamut.
Anyway, thanks to Luis, et al (staff, volunteers and the lovely community of learners) for creating Duolingo, It’s amazing like it is, and I’m looking forward to exploring what’s next.
Return of spaced repetition feature (known also as "skill decay") in some form.
I know there is a workaround, by visiting third party site, but it would be nice to have it directly in Duolingo again somehow.
I would like to see more customization options for spaced repetition. Not just skill decay, but word decay. It would be wonderful if an individual could click up to 20 words that have a low strength level, with a check box next to each word on the left side of Word webpage. And if each one of those words was linked to a series of sentences that appear throughout the various skills, I'd like to see the practice button then generate a practice session based on a query of those 20 words and the sentences they are linked to and generate a randomly ordered, but personalized Duo session.
I'd also like to see questions that a user has to respond to correctly, just like in conversation. Example: "What did you have for lunch today?" And then a word scramble that answers "I ate a sandwich today."
Or sentence decay instead of skill decay. With a possible exception when you pressed the report button because there was a problem.
Maybe they could have a separate section or subsection that can to direct you to exercises you have not done in a while. But you can still use the word list (Words). When in Words you will see a "Last Practiced" subheading. You can put the list to descend from the oldest to the newest date. Now you can select those words you have not seen recently and it will tell what the skill was where you last encountered them. Chances are you have not done those skills for the amount of time you had last seen those words and can now go and practice them.
The word tab is only available for a few languages. For most of them it's not available (adding it would be an improvement).
There isn't any option to strengthen a skill anymore (which is not the same thing as getting to the next crown level, strengthening was only one session with the weakest words of the skill, getting to the next crown level is many lessons with a different kind of exercises).
Hi, Luis. Thank you for creating this site. I have been learning a lot on it.
I know that the moderators for the English-French tree won't like this, but could you please teach the passé simple tense? The moderators say that it is never used in everyday French. Yet, other sites (Memrise, Kwiziq, ThoughtCo, Lawless French, even CliffNotes) mention it on theirs, and I have French-speaking friends who use it for writing works that are longer than a social media post. It seems strange that the moderators would exclude one of the skills needed to understand French.
Could you also bring back the vocabulary lists for each skill? I have used them to preview what each lesson would be about. Since the site has been redesigned, those have been missing.
Please fix the Chinese course. I love it, but then again the fact that it has such a narrow range of acceptable answers infuriates me. The course is deeply broken, but the content that it behind it is obviously very good.
I would like to see the grammar problems that are already in the program, and reported many, many times, corrected, and in a timely manner.
It kind of defeats the purpose to have to learn something incorrectly, and repeat it many times, just so you will not be marked incorrect.
Thanks for the opportunity. Most of these suggestions have gone on the forums but it is not always clear where to put such topics and whether any notice is taken of them.
1) Make forums more clear where to put what and have a suggestions page per language and for general Duolingo suggestions.
2) News and information pages so we know what is going on and things like crowns say don't just appear with no explanation of the benefits.
3) Make French A/B test with lots of extra subjects like Gallicism, weather etc available to all as my son has had it for months and I still would love it but don't yet have it. Please don't wait til 2019 to do this as I want them now!
4) Lingots: make more things purchasable from the shop with lingots. e.g. a) extra subjects like idioms and flirting but lots more, b) personalisations like the suits for owls but I'm sure lots of other ideas could be forthcoming.
5) Make crowns show strength when level 5 has been achieved otherwise you have a sea of gold and no idea of where you are getting weak. The further I go down the tree the harder it is to be sure I can remember what I learn't. The 'Practice' button on each subject is good but how do I know which to practice. The previous design with strength indicator showed this clearly.
Can't think of anymore for now but I'll add anything if I do.
More stories for other languages would be nice (specifically Italian). An actual use for lingots. And perhaps a bit ambitious, but multiple trees for each language based on level of knowledge. Either as beginner, intermediate and advanced or A1 A2, B1 B2, C1 C2.
For the past few days I’ve been upset with the lack of communication then you pull this off! I knew you were there!
There are a lot of suggestion so I will only bring one to the table, I would like the ability to private message. This would support language exchange and more personal language communication, since I know personally I don’t want everyone to have access to what I want to say on the forums, I rather be able to talk to a select few.
First, thanks for listening. I'm more than 1 year into the Russian course, and some of the great learning features I used have gradually vanished. These are features that I personally would love to see returned / implemented in the Russian course.
- The vocabulary for the skill listed in the Tips and Notes like before.
- Please a Words tab in Russian or at least some way to get to the entire words / strength page. All the workarounds to it have now been "patched" away.
- Ability to repeat any lesson - but at a minimum the lessons in the first level. Duo is pushing me ahead faster than my old brain can keep up. I need this repetition without the discouragement that comes from moving up in level before I am ready.
Thank you. Those three small fixes would make me a very happy camper.
I would like for there to be a catalogue of all the comments that one makes listed by order of date made. Something like the way yahoo answers list all the questions you have asked.It would be nice if this catalogue was visible to people that views your profile. This would boost the idea of following others on duolingo for a couple of reasons
1) Some people generally answer questions in so much detail that you learn a lot from them. Being able to look at more answers provided by them would be nice.
2) You would be able to help your friends you follow or receive help from them.
This would be especially nice as we do not get email notices with our own comments so unless we bookmark the conversations what we say can be lost to us, and even more so when mods "clean up" a conversation and our comments are hidden despite not being negative or off-topic.
Edit: Okay, I know we can follow conversations and now we are auto followed to them when we comment, but those are done by the age of the conversation so that even if we comment today, if it is on a 5 year-old sentence discussion, it goes to the back of our following list which could take forever to scroll through (so on that point I would like actual pages we can click on rather than the endless scroll of the modern internet).
- Duolingo Stories in other lanugages!
- Also the ability to go over level 25 :) Thanks!
a crossword puzzle series for the labs Basically it would be like a normal crossword puzzle but it changes based on difficulty and it is also used to practice vocabulary/grammar for the easy mode and medium modes, and will practice everything for hard mode. Easy: the hints are in your native language (ex English) and you find the word that the hints are describing, word bank provided or it can be something where you do a direct translation of a word Medium: fill in the blank sentences, would NOT be in English for say the Italian for English speakers version is kinda like the stories thing where they have you fill in the bank with a word Hard: basically a normal crossword puzzle but NO fill in the blanks there is a word bank all the hints and answers are in the same language
The main feature I'd like to see in Duolingo is the possibility of choose between two or more dialects of a language to learn. Some examples:
If someone wants to learn English, people could choose between British English and US English;
for the French course, you could start choosing between European French and Quebecois French;
Spanish: Mexican or European;
Portuguese: Brazilian or European
Which dialect within Spain? Which Dialect within Mexico? Why not Argentine, Chilean, Uruguayan, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, Dominican, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, Honduran, Peruvian, Nicaraguan, Paraguayan, Costa Rican, Bolivian, Cuban, Colombian, Ecuadoran, Panamanian, or Usonian? Where should the line be drawn?
The dialects are not so distinct that they require a separate course at the extreme beginner level, which is what Duo addresses. Whatever benefit (if any) is too small to justify wasting the resources on the effort, IMO.
Many people when wanting to learn Spanish, for example, want to learn specifically European Spanish. Obviously there are many subdialects within European Spanish, but there are some clear grammatical distinctions (like the informal and formal forms of the Plural 2nd person), lexical particularities and phonetical characteristics that are pretty different from those we learn in Duolingo's Spanish course.
European Portuguese has many lexical, grammatical and phonetic differences from Brazilian Portuguese and sometimes people want to learn the European dialect specifically.
In my opinion, this does not justify a separate course. There are only specific features that differ. Therefore, instead of creating separate courses that largely cover the same material, there should be just one course, and the parts that differ could be offered as modules (for example, to be bought in the Lingot store). Lessons with "vosotros", lessons with specific "Spanish from Spain", "Spanish from Argentinia" vocabulary etc.
(Ah, I just see that Guaybana-elBravo posted the same suggestion two hours ago)
I was talking about two or more options within a course, so they would just have to adapt the tree and change the audio (instead of using Mexican, there would be an European Spanish audio if the selected option was that one). No need to create a completely new course.
What?!?! You didn't read the 600+ replies before posting?!?!? (This is a joke of course!!) Actually some "tuteo/voseo" lessons would be nice given the interest shown by some learners. Portuguese from Spanish has a "Tu/Você" skill. Even a "vos" lesson can be created for folks interested in visiting Argentina.
I am not talking about a completely new course for European Spanish, but an adapted version of the tree (with EU Spanish audio). So, when someone starts the Spanish course they could choose between the two more learned varieties of the language (Mexican and European). We all know as well that the British English system is a little different from US English and when one goes to the UK they need to know these particularities sometimes (specially if they want to live there).
Spanish dialects are highly intelligibe between each other. I have seen several posts from (I assume learners) worried about the differences between the different countries. Spanish does have a lot of regionalisms (as I am sure all languages have). Even in the geographically small island of Puerto Rico, for example, the 5 and 10 cent coins are called different in the north than in the south. Do we understand each other? Of course we do. We just know where one was born or where one lives. The same hold true from basically from the US to Tierra del Fuego and Spain. I did get some weird looks in Spain when I asked for "jugo de china", but I immediately asked for "zumo de naranja". Actually, I kind of did it on purpose.
Personal anecdote aside, lessons on regionalisms could be available to higher levels beyond 25 or available for purchase with lingots.
Caldero u olla, níckel o ficha, the list can be as long as the debates. No one is right or wrong in my opinion. These are nuances that make languages interesting. It is something to learn, but not something that warrants a separate course.
And to answer your question, empanadillas y domplines para mi :)
In Brazil there are many different dialects and expresssions according to the region, but most of them (if not all) can be considered as part of the same set of dialects, and there is a "standard" form that is used internationally to teach Brazilian Portuguese.
My idea is that the Portuguese course (as well as the English, French, Spanish etc. courses) could have an option (I am not talking about a different course) that adapts the same tree to a dialect that is often wanted to be learned but is not offered in Duolingo (such as European Spanish, European Portuguese, British English, Quebecois French), just changing some words and the audio. Right at the start of the course people could choose which dialect they want to learn (Brazilian or European), but they could change it whenever they want without losing nothing in the course.
also another thing would be a feature where you can click on the letter of an alphabet from a language to hear how it's pronounced
this would be for all languages (including English so it can be helpful for people who started out with Chinese, Japanese, etc)
for languages like french, italian, german, special characters for those will also show up
I think that might be harder than it sounds in some languages, especially those with irregular spelling (like English) or complicated spelling rules (like French). In English, knowing how to pronounce the letter 'a' on its own would lead me to completely mispronounce words like "fast" or "lead" (either meaning). The pronunciation of a full word is usually more useful and that already exists on DL for most languages. It would, however, be nice if it could be added to courses that don't use a TTS (although I don't know if it's easily possible).
I think it would be cool to integrate tinycards, stories and the podcasts: you could give a path to the student from basic to advanced skills with suggestions of a story or a deck, a link to an episode of a podcast.
Duolingo is nice, but limited, all the other services that you already offer complement it quite well, but sometimes there's not a "bridge", you could suggest a story when most of the words are known or maybe based on the topic, things like that :)
I just noticed there's now an option to add the weakest words from a story to tinycards, that's nice!
(I haven't used stories since the last time some were added so it's probably been there for a while)
I'd also like to thank you profusely for duolingo stories. I absolutely love them.
Next I want to add my vote to making leveling up a big deal again. For some reason this is incredibly motivating to me. I would like to see levels above 25, too, though they should continue to require more and more XP to level up. But I find that I have less motivation to work on a language if I'm already at level 25 on that language. So higher levels would help, though of course the knowledge is the real prize. Somehow my brain doesn't seem to get that. =D
They need more kanji use in the Japanese course as well. Furigana would have to have an option to turn it on and off because sometimes using furigana can hinder your reading progression.
Ever since you introduced crown levels, I’ve had an idea. Would it be possible to add grammar and vocabulary from later lessons to earlier lessons after the later lessons have been unlocked? I’ll try to expain.
I understand that each skill has to introduce new grammar and vocabulary at level one. But after the learner has completed the first level in several skills, could it be possible to unlock that new content in older skills to make them more interesting and challenging?
Each skill should continue to focus on its own vocabulary and grammar, but why not make them more interesting and less repetitive by including the content that the user has unlocked in later skills?
This is a very interesting idea! Though it might be difficult to implement because it would require writing "higher-level" sentences in the basic skills and making these accessible only to those who have completed certain parts of the tree.
But I really like it -- this would help mix more difficult tenses, for example, with some other lesson content. Cool! :-)
To save comments (sorted by language) besides many things already mentioned.
Just to emphasize it: Please bring back some (optional) form of the spaced repetition element (decay). I think that it is crucial as a basis of effective learning.
Thank you for asking, Luis! This is an incredibly important thing.
As Duolingo relies on typing/texting most of my mistakes are typing errors and not actually errors in my understanding (phones are so fiddly). So I would like to see a feature that warned you if you only have one letter wrong in a sentence rather than submitting a wrong answer due to typing/texting errors.
I am aware that Duolingo will give you a correct answer if you mis-spelled a word but it only does so if the word doesn't exist in Duolingo's vocabulary.
Luis , hello! Please continue to add more programs for intermediate - and up- learners. I really enjoy Duo stories and Duo podcasts. Also, please add more languages for those programs. Thanks.
Reconsider the limitations of this learning platform and contributor's abilities when developing materials and avoid any contentious questions that cannot be resolved - anything that is likely to stimulate in-depth discussion over atypical grammar structures is unlikely to find firm resolution here without tutor support, so is likely to be unsuitable for this learning platform. Leave such things for more advanced tutor-led courses outside DL
I can think of multiple things: Latin, Clubs for computers, bring back the fluency percentage, I haven't done grammar bots but they sound awesome, and more things to buy in the shop
- More courses: Latin, English for the good numbers of countries whose official national languages are not yet catered to (e.g. Bulgaria, Georgia) and reverses
- keyboard shortcuts for tile matching exercises
- more attention to maintaining functioning, active incubator teams: why is English for Telugu sitting contributor-less for something like a year? Why was Guaraní in a similar situation? (Which when addressed, promptly assembled an uber-active team of over a half-dozen, i.e. seemingly the problem was not a lack of willing volunteers.)
- removal of the cap on the maximum number of translations for a sentence
- removal of the requirement that the tree base language prompt for an exercise also be the preferred translation when translating from the target language to the base language; combining this with always displaying the suggested translation (which would then in principle be guaranteed to be highly natural) would be great
- make things easier on incubator teams, removing some of the other constraints they're under (e.g. requiring a new tree version to fix bad target language sentences, at least for some trees)
keyboard shortcuts for tile matching exercises
Oh yes, I forgot that. The crown system is made for users with a touchscreen, and on a desktop you have to switch to keyboard exercises (which sort of breaks the idea behind the crown system) or use the mouse so much that you arm hurts after a short while.
@la_ricfoi, could you add that to your list? Thanks for making that long list!
Dear CEO Luis,
7 months ago you said you were working on exciting new features and projects.
Was the XP Cap for Testing Out one of them?
Before you go on with changes like this - that are about to ruin Duolingo - please have a look at the posts of long term users. How come that ALL long term users are frustrated?
After several years of learning with Duolingo I am now about to leave. And when I look at the posts of learners with a long DL experience I read that very many users just feel the same.
Do you really want to know what my thoughts are?
I am sorry to say - I doubt it. Up to now I have not seen any reaction to good posts. And some posts were really excellent. !!
But maybe one of these days somebody will want to know what killed the enthusiasm. So I try to post a few thoughts.
APPRECIATION is a key word. To make people waste their time in endless repetition with no means to skip is misusing them. Such a great app cannot be run without money, I know. But there are better ways to get the revenue required than to force people into grinding repetition just to make them see the ads. If you want some suggestions - I could give you some. Just contact me. APPRECIATION is lacking in the system. When I read about how the volunteers were affected by the Pearson Deal I got that feeling again. This lack of APPRECIATION has demotivated many of them. This has led to a remarkable deterioration of the courses.
DL needs COMMUNICATION. If excellent posts are not read and answered by DL, it kills the motivation. DL is not showing any esteem for its users by ignoring their great ideas and their time invested in writing them down
Don't touch the game factor. GAMIFICATION is what keeps it running. And - I must admit - it even works with senior learners like me, who think to be pretty immune against it.
Don't reduce the REWARDING system. Even if rewards are virtual, they work.
I could write down many more thoughts, on crowns, decaying system, Test-Out Function, Duolingo PLUS - but as I do not know whether you REALLY want to know I wait.
I totally disagree with you. I think the opposite is true. There now is more gamification, Duolingo did listen to it's users, and there is more reward. But let me explain.
What I have seen after the introduction of leaderboards was people complaining how you had to test out to keep up with other people. They wanted a fix so they could still really learn a language (not just rush it) and still be competitive. Duo did listen to this and installed the xp cap which is the best solution in my eyes. They didn't have to take the leaderboards away, they didn't have to forbid testing out completely. They made it fair. You get the amount of xp you deserve for the time you put in compared to normal lessons. (Time is what counts when learning languages). A game needs rules to become a game. The former system of xp was more like hacking in an online game to win.
"To make people waste their time in endless repetition with no means to skip is misusing them." - I can't understand you there.
My translation would be: "Have people learn vocab not just for short term but with good recall month later in the needed amount of repetitions while they are being able to skip in one of two ways, either by just doing level 1/2/3 of any skill or by testing out. The time spend is rewarded with xp."
And there is the word REWARD. Free stuff is not a reward. You can feed our dogs treats for doing nothing and you will have a fat, unhealthy dog that can't do one trick. A reward has to be earned or it won't feel like one. I want the golden tree too. And the reward for achieving it will be great. Why should some other people get that with 1/10 of the effort? Isn't that discouraging?
And one last thing. Any adult person who whines about "experience points" on an online lanuage learning plattform and "threatens" to quit should seriously have a thought about their life and their reasons to live and how important xp points are for them.
@Lavitas. Maybe it needs some more experience than maybe one dozen of golden L5 Skills to talk about the system of Duolingo. It seems to me that you did not quite understand the point.
Your concern seem to be the XP and all those people passing you in XP. But why do they bother you? Why do you compare your XP to others? You don't have to.
Why do you compete in leaderboards if this frustrates you?
I don't use leaderboards or leagues. I study languages just because I enjoy it. I enjoy the progress, not the point of getting more XP than others.
I learned a lot with Duolingo and I am thankful for it - and I wish DL would stop to destroy itself.
I'm on Duo for 4 years now and I am very interessted in language learning (also from other sources than Duo). I do delete my courses if I feel like I don't now them anymore.
I neither use the leaderboards, nor do I care for xp. It is not bothering me. My question is why you care for XP so much. If you enjoy studying why are you upset about not getting as much xp as before? I only made the point that IF you care for xp the system should be fair. The old system wasn't and pushed people who care about competing towards skipping lessons.
Now it doesn't and now it reflects the time put in which is the reason all the people here are so upset. They can't take shortcuts anymore. But language learning shouldn't be about taking shortcuts. And as I said, xp as motivation and reward only works when the system is fair.
But now you can't take shortcuts to level 25 anymore and would have to really spend time to reach the highest level. Better have everyone reach it in 2 Month...
PS: Maybe taking xp completely away would help. It fools people too much into thinking more xp means they know the language better.
It would be great to have exercises the gave us multiple sentences at native speaker speed.
first of all, thank you for deciding to ask us for our opinions.
Duolingo is already very useful but there are a few things that I miss a lot (listed in order of priority):
The ability to repeat an individual lesson in a skill.
Tips and Notes in the apps.
The Words tab for all languages.
Skill decay or some kind of an indicator that a skill needs strengthening.
Stories for more (eventually all) languages.
Clubs on the website.
Thank you for listening.
To clarify, by skill decay I mean an implementation of the spaced repetition system. The indicator of a weakened skill could be optional.
Skill decay or some kind of an indicator that a skill needs strengthening.
This is the most critical aspect of the whole learning system that the crowns update removed.
As I suggested elsewhere, it would be very simple to make the colour of the small crown icons on the skills (currently always gold regardless of level) instead reflect the strength of the skill. The main body of the skill would then still reflect the crown level, which apparently some users seem to like.
I really don't particularly care: I just want DL to suggest to me, as it always used to, which skills I should practise next so as to maximise retention and the efficient use of my time.
All your other suggestions would also be nice to see, but none of them come close in importance to re-introducing skill-decay in some form or another. Spaced repetition is the main reason the DL system works as an educational tool.
Yes, skill decay is absolutely necessary and it bothers me to no end that people think we don't need it. People forget things, and the only way to combat that is to review. This is a fact of learning and a fact of life. Skill decay tells you when it's time to review. If casuals don't care about actually remembering any of the stuff they initially learned (which really makes no sense), then they can just ignore skill decay and let serious learners use it as intended.
I agree, but skill decay just needs to become smarter upon return.
I was reviewing a lot of stuff I knew by heart, while more complex themes never came up for review. And just hitting the "strengthen" would always review the most basic decayed skill, not a random decayed skill or even mixture of skills.
Exactly. It should have been tweaked, not taken away. I think they need to make decay smarter based on the individual user's experience. Perhaps rate each skill by importance and have more important skills decay faster so we see it more. Or, as suggested by others, let us mark the skills we find difficult to allow us to repeat them.
Yes, or at least don't decay faster than you could possibly catch up with, that's the problem I had originally.
Definitely as you get more and more gold crowns things must slip from memory but a good algorithm could catch where you made mistakes and strengthen areas that need it. Just a little indicator next to each crown would do so you could focus on these weak areas.
For the record, it bothers me to no end that certain people assume all "serious learners" like/need the same things. :) Just because you're constrained by a certain assumption about how learning works, don't assume everyone else is too. I am a very serious learner and I loathed the skill decay, and have learned much more since it was dropped. Do I forget things sometimes? Sure. Do I remember more than I forget? Also yes. Does assuming I have to repeat, for example, Dative Skills every month for the rest of my life in order to be able to use it make sense? Absolutely not.
The grammar skills should be under your belt after a certain amount of practice, partly because you'll keep encountering them in various situations. (For example, I keep getting those datives in sentences in the Verb Conditional 2 sentences I'm currently working on, some seventy skills further on, which keeps it fresh in my mind without redoing the Dative skill itself.) Vocabulary is more likely to disappear if you haven't seen it in a while, but then again, I can't imagine you remember every technical word you learned in high school chemistry, or every industry-specific phrase you picked up in your first job. If they're words you encounter or use frequently, they'll stay with you eventually. Otherwise, what's the point? If you could recognise it at some point, you'll recognise it again later, even if you wouldn't have come up with it yourself, and if it's not a word you use within the normal course of, oh, say, a month, then you shouldn't worry about it.
Please don't put down people who disagree with you by presuming to speak for another entire segment of the population. Just because someone doesn't see it the way you do is no indication of how committed, educated, or "serious" they are.
You're right; I shouldn't have implied that learners who don't use skill decay are less serious than those who do. This is an unfounded claim and really pretty mean. I'm sorry.
But that said, regardless of which system is better (which I'm not going to debate), there is no valid reason to remove an entirely optional feature that a significant portion of the userbase depended on. If we still had decay, you (and everyone else who doesn't like it) could just ignore it and use Duolingo anyway, but the path Duo choose actively prevents me from using the site the way that works best for me. Now I have to rely on third-party extensions which will all inevitably die either the next time the site is updated or when Duo decides to delete the "unused" SRS code. Just because you don't use something doesn't mean no one should be allowed to have it. This is why I am so hostile to the anti-decay argument.
I am not in favor of getting rid of crowns to "make room" for decay. I see no reason the two systems can't co-exist.
I completely agree and couldn't have said it better myself. I think it was the timing that turned off too many people along with the fact that Duolingo played a/b tests without telling us about it. I remember when my skills were decaying so fast I couldn't keep up with doing three lessons per day then when people started crying out it went the opposite direction. Duolingo just needs to consider all use cases and deal with them intelligently. Don't let the lunatics run the asylum :-) It's pretty sad that major decisions are based on what seems like the xbox/playstation generation hooked on achievements because they may be more vocal than the older generations.
I agree. I’m a serious learner and to me, skill decay feels worse because it assumes that I use just Duolingo and if I haven’t reviewed x skill for so long on Duolingo, you haven’t seen that concept since you last did that skill. Yet there are other ways to review--studying notes, other programs, writing, reading and so on.
Most serious learners use a whole lot more than Duolingo and the same things are going to come up in graded readers, textbooks, audiobooks and so on. I also take a lot of notes and prefer going over those in bed over doing ANOTHER lessons of “Je suis” “Tu es” when I’ve already learned two past tenses and am pretty confident is those.
I loathe a program telling me what I need to review. I know what I have trouble with, I know what I use every day with ease and I review, on Duo and off, accordingly.
If I stay off Duolingo and do nothing in the language for three months, sure I’ll forget and have to review. But if I stay off Duolingo and keep reviewing and studying for three months instead? Completely different. Yet Duolingo’s skill decay would treat these the same.
Also, the skill decay basically implies that you should NEVER stop using Duolingo. It expect you, at C1, to come back and review “the woman” and “the man”. That’s just ridiculous. It’s the equivalent of making someone who is learning Calculus review addition occasionally so “he doesn’t forget”. At some point, you don’t need to go back to review very basic material. Not if you keep using the language.
I think that they should just give people the choice between crowns and skill decay. I definitely wouldn’t want skill decay back and yes, I’d ignore a lot of it if I got it back.
If you are on C1 you are beyond Duolingo anyway. Nobody forces you to level up to five crowns everywhere. You are free to pick the topics you think need revision. But of course DL has to build a self-contained system that gets an absolute beginner to a reasonable level. If you study also outside DL, good for you! Only few people do.
I'm not so sure if only a few people study outside Duolingo, I thought there were a lot of school kids on here who do it as part of their school classes, no?
I think if you could 'test out' of the decay of the easy levels then that would be better. I agree that at some point you simply won't forget anymore.
I don't like skill decay at all!!! maybe configurable settings my solve the problem and satisfy all users.
I agree; I'm very happy without the skill decay. And I remember people, when we had skill decay, complaining in the forums that they "had to" strengthen so many skills, and couldn't do any new lessons ...
Configurable settings might be nice or something that comes across rather as a suggestion than as a "weakening of a skill".
I was one of those who complained about skills decay. I hated it when I couldn't come here because of unforeseen circumstances (e.g., an illness lasting 24 hours) or circumstances beyond my control (e.g., a hurricane knocking out power, phone services, and Internet services for five days). I like the idea of skills decay being configurable
Yes maybe the strength indicator/ decay (sounds more negative) was not using an effective enough algorithm. But just imagine when all your crowns are gold and you feel like you are forgetting parts of the language but have no clue which you are weakest on.
An algorithm could use:
1) Words: how long since say N words in a crown have been used. My words list has some I haven't done in months.
2) Crowns: How long since a crown was done.
3) Incorrect answers: Crowns where the user got most incorrect answers. This is probably the strongest indicator. Some subjects I sail through others where word order say is very different from my native language I get loads wrong.
I thought of another criteria based on other people's comments.
4) Take account of the user's ability when providing practice. That is if they are gold all down the tree give them harder things to practice. But again based on what they got wrong when they first did it.
But in all of this strength algorithm be aware that the listening ones are sometimes near impossible to get right. I often miss hear 'chien' for 'chat' etc!
Before the crown system, skills would decay periodically. Each skill would have a "strength bar" which would indicate how recently you practiced that skill. It would decay over time if you didn't practice, which would let you know that it was time to do that skill again.
Ehhhh I played Duolingo for about 6 months before they introduced skill decay. And while I liked it at first, the farther I got the more frustrating it became. I lost moral because it made me feel like any progress I made would be inevitably lost.
However I understand the importance of keeping past knowledge in your system. And I really like the method WaniKani uses to handle it.
But it's because if you don't repeat things at the appropriate time, the progress is actually partially lost. And so, seeing skill decaying to tell you that you have to review them is a good thing to prevent the loss of progress.
(BTW, good to see another WaniKani user here but it's very different from Duolingo.)
The problem is that it assumes that because you didn't do a skill on Duolingo for so long, you haven't been using, practicing or reviewing outside of Duolingo. It assumes everything is in the Duolingo bubble.
But since DL can't possibly know what exact practice you do outside of DL, the only way it can give you any kind of meaningful feedback is by assuming that you don't do any.
I think many people will find additional tips and notes very helpful. Sometimes it feels like going to the sea with no map at all. We'll eventually figure it out but it will be faster if there are some pointers.
I have bad news for you: it looks like they're AB testing removing the words tab again. Hopefully they don't make that mistake twice.
Yes, there should be an indication of what to practice. The problem was that skill decay was demotivating. Maybe there is a way to reintroduce it that is motivating.
The practice button is not useful for spaced repetition because it gives you too simple lessons. Is there a way to change the practice button?
Since crowns we're introduced, I've been using the practice button, at least once per session, and, although some lessons are simple, they're not all. Remember, with skill decay, you sometimes had to reinforce the basic skills.
Personally I'm against too much customisation. If I'm learning something I want teacher to tell me what to do.
Okay, I may have been mistaken about the practice button after the change. I didn't realise that it had changed much.
[Edit: I've tried it again (on duome I had all skills golden) and Practice gave me unnecessarily easy questions.]
I don’t mind the idea of decay if it's optional. I didn’t miss it and definitely don’t want to see Golden branches on trees decay for things like “I have an apple”, “A man”, a girl” etc.
Perhaps you could choose for it to apply to only select advanced sections (with the option to not turn on decay) as suggested above.
It would be nice to have a skill decay option in place where you can select what mode you want, no skill decay or skill decay depending on what you want. It would also be nice to be able to select skills that you wish to review often manually if you want as well. That way you could say, I never want to review an apple again but yes I would like to review a horse again. Or the lessons with such words in them.
I know you are already working on the practice button is to incorporate it into the new system.
I think the repetition system wasn't perfect, but it was more efficient than the crown system. Once you had finished a skill, the skill decay gave you automatically the weakest words to practice. If you translated the word correct often enough, the decay became slower, until it didn't decay anymore. With the crown system however, you must go though a huge amount of lessons regardless of how well you know the words.
Only at the end the repetition system became frustrating for me, because I had to repeat complex sentences countless times because of little grammatical mistakes.
But I believe that the developers of Duolingo know what they are doing and so I accept the new system. Here are my suggestions to improve Duolingo:
1) You could expand the Practice-button, to that it gives the option to the user to strengthen the weakest words of a specific skill instead of the whole tree. Within the extended button-function there could also be shown suggestions, which skills one should practice. So you could maintain the current system and give those, who want it, some sort of spaced repetition system back.
2) It would be very helpful to implement for each skill a button that shows a list of the words that the skill contains. If one wants to check if he know all words of a skill, he then just needs to go though the list.
Yeah, I really wouldn't want skill decay back. I transfer all my notes to a separate spaced repetition flashcard app that I can quickly revise through each morning. Having to go through all completed tasks on Duolingo itself would be tedious. HOWEVER, if Duolingo could incorporate some kind of flashcard style component to their courses for learned skills that could be useful.
Oh Yes! My two favorites, Individual lesson repetition and the words tab for Russian. I go through all kinds of hoops to get this to come up now.
My suggestion is based only on my experience with Vietnamese. The current course suits my purpose with help of Huy_Ngo in Sentence Discussion to clarify things and my access to native speakers. I give it an A-, with improvements needed in expanding the spoken parts.
Dreaming big, I would suggest a 3 part module. Beginners: that would focus on pronunciation of the various vowels, tones and consonant combination. This would segue into what we have now. Intermediate: more complex sentence construction. Advanced: Paragraphs based on current events, science, politics, economy.
Thanks for the opportunity to provide my suggestions.
Hi, Thank you for being willing to open this question to Duolingo users. I have a couple suggestions: - On the different crown levels, increase the difficulty of the sentences (or encourage this among course developers). - Make more uses for lingots. The additional skill idea is great, but there's so few that it doesn't create an incentive to get more lingots. - Expand the Duolingo Stories feature. It's awesome, but it could get so much better if you integrated the vocab with the course vocab or made the stories even more interactive (comprehension questions at the end, say, or vocab practice). Also, make it simpler to get to the stories, instead of having it show up at the end of practicing like an ad. - More variety in practicing skills. I'm not sure how you could achieve this, but perhaps changing up the format of questions (or encouraging course developers to do so). Thanks again!
- Also, make it simpler to get to the stories, instead of having it show up at the end of practicing like an ad.*
You can get to stories via the "Labs" tab next to "Discussion" in the blue toolbar at the top of the desktop display.
Please bring the CONJUGATION TABLES back inside the lessons.
This comes from somebody who was far from liking the rote learning of such tables during school - on the contrary. But here on Duo they were gold. Having the convenient one-click access to them in any given phrase hugely improved the long-term retention. Thank you!
A native DARK THEME for us night owls would be much appreciated!
Of course, there are third party solutions (scripts, styles), but they have the disadvantage of breaking when updates are made to the site.
Almost any aspect of Duolingo could be used for good or evil :) No need to use it to cheat instead of study.
We could check the tables before answering the question (is this what you call cheating?), after answering (to see other persons/tenses of the verb), or we could ignore the feature (it didn't stay in the way).
It was very helpful to be able to see in no time the other persons and tenses, especially those that appear less often in the exercises (the conditional, the subjunctive, etc.).
Learning Vocabulary Feature. Maybe something similar to TinyCards but integrated in Duolingo. That's one of the only features I am really missing at the moment.
Flashcards used to be integrated into Duo before TinyCards was spun off into a separate platform.
I would like to be able to choose which words from a specific story will be added to the related vocabulary deck in TinyCards, because now all the words are being added and I find myself practicing on words I already know. And to add sound to them, because right now we can't know how they sound.
The ability to move words from one deck on TinyCards to another.
If I add a photo as a fact on a card and choose the option of "study both sides", it asks me also to recall the photo (I mean French>English, English>French, Photo>English). It's a waste of time because I use the photos only as an association.
The ability to mark weak/strong words on TinyCards decks, so I have the ability to practice more on my weak words.
More special sets on Duolingo! The French Flirting and Phrases are great, I would like to see many more.
More everyday sentences and new order of the lessons. We learn a very basic vocabulary very late on the tree.
I would really like to see the bots come back. I don't know what happened to them, but they were helpful.
1) I would like to see stories in Italian. 2) I would like to see more useful vocabulary based on the most commonly used words in the language. Monkey and elephant? Do I really need those words early on? 3) I would like to see Tiny Cards improved a lot. It’s a good idea filled with annoying errors like: spelling problems, or when a plural or singular response is required it should indicate that, or it is very literal so you must supply the exact answer even when you know it’s wrong, and each individual lesson in duolingo should be represented in tiny cards - some are omitted, and you can review each section to the full level one day and the next day they have all dropped to one quarter full making it impossible to keep up as your vocabulary grows. Better integration with duolingo so that if I drill on a word, duolongo’s word list won’t show it as ‘weak’. 4) I would like to have some way to control the speed at which sentences are spoken to me. Right now there is just ‘way too fast’ and ‘very slow’. Give me a slider setting so I can adjust the speed as my ear improves.
More things to spend our jewels on (more than only Idioms and Flirting)
Perhaps fast tracking and introducing some more niche languages much like how Hawaiian was introduced, many people appear at least to be offering their services for lots of languages but are not seeing them introduced (e.g. Icelandic, Kurdish, Afrikaans, Tibetan ect.)
Increased tree length
To prevent a feeling of stagnation when learning lots of lengthy classes about adjectives and pronouns maybe add more classes in conversational phrases inbetween, this allows beginners to keep interested and active.
Maybe introduce Duolingo stories in Italian and other languages
Keep up the good work!
I would love for all courses to have access to grammar tags. It would be very beneficial to all learners to be able to hover over a word and see its gender, case, plurality, etc. right in the hints.
I'd also love to see the bonus skill system fixed. The current system messes up the flow of the tree, since bonus skills can be purchased at pretty much any time, so I'd love for course developers to have the ability to set when/where learners should be able to access their courses' bonus skills.
It would be great if we had the ability to collapse comments in the forums. In larger threads, like this one, it would be much easier to read responses at the bottom if there were a way to collapse the replies to a comment/collapse the comment itself (like Reddit).
I am a very new user to Duolingo but am truly enjoying the learning experience. I would really find it helpful if there were a way to quickly look up a word's meaning when looking at the list of "words". If I don't know what one of the words is, I have to go to google or somewhere to find it quickly. I don't think it would be too hard to link each word back to the first place it was used in the course? Thanks for all you do...
I don't understand what you mean. When viewing the words list you can click on a word which gives you its meaning. On clicking more details you see an example sentence of that word.
Here are my suggestions;
1) An online notebook so that we can make [grammar] notes and make vocabulary lists
2) A private message feature
3) Change the layout of the tree
4) Make lingots more useful by expanding the shop. Include things like additional topics
5) Increase the max level number to 30 (or even 50) if or when the courses get expanded
6) More tips and notes for later topics down the tree
7) Change how the site looks
8) Make a feature that allows users to try courses that are still in the hatching process. This way, we get to sample the course and the language. We can then give feedback.
There are probably more, but 8 should be suffice for now.
Improvement in forum search.
To be fair http://openhpi.de , which is a MOOC offering free classes mainly in German and English also has this same problem. (Maybe this is a performance problem. Certainly with SQL one can easily search for all posts with a particular user name.)
Search for an individual poster. A workaround is for people to post their name in the post.
Another workaround is use google. Search site:forum.duolingo.com
Find all posts written in the last hour. Workaround: Refresh webpage. Page down numerous times until all posts are displayed. Search on: minutes ago
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The ability to practice the words you know, as its own activity. Maybe with flashcards or something.
Have you tried the Duolingo Spanish course deck on Tinycards?
Hello Luis. I am very interested in learning Sign Language, as are lots of other Duolingo users. I know Tinycards has some ASL options, but I really appreciate and enjoy using the regular Duolingo so I was hoping for an ASL learning option on here!
Thanks for thinking of us!
I don't know if this already exists, but I would like some tips and explainations within the lessons themselves. Like if there's a word that's hard to translate, there could be a brief explaination about how it's used and perhaps why. The tips tab at the lesson circle just doesn't seem to explain how some words work in certain scenarios.
I really needed the 'words preview' that showed the words in each lesson of a skill. Without it, Duolingo is harder to use for me!
Another thing, actually making sure that a course is ready to be released rather than rushing it. It is very annoying to see courses like Swahili, Klingon and High Valyrian go into Beta half-baked with no audio, or half as much content as was originally planned just to meet some deadline.
Make it easier to contact moderators to report stuff like incorrect translation forums etc. BTW thank you so much for asking. It almost felt as if Duo didn't care about it's users anymore.
I like this idea each language's first note should contain a table of the alphabet and its sounds. This would be amazing for Japanese.
Hi - thanks for such a great learning programme :) I'd like to see the chat feature enabled again. I really liked being able to 'chat' in different situations. Helped a lot with implementing what I'd already learned.
Hi Luis! Some things I would like:
• I, personally, think that skills should still go gold when you complete the first level of them. Or, maybe different colours for different levels, like steel grey for level 1, iron colour for for level 2, bronze for 3, silver for 4, gold for 5. Also, please bring back the practice option for individual modules and the option to select a particular lesson in the modules.
• More lanaguges! Finnish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Catalan for English speakers, Thai, and Laos are all on my personal wish list.
• More things to buy in the shop.
• More interaction with users; PM system, maybe a way to set up official XP battles with buddies, etc.
• Better profiles!
There are now different colors to denote levels (there were not when the crowns were unrolled, it was random and looked like chaos).
- Purple for level zero
- Blue for level one
- Green for level two
- Red for level three
- Orange for level four
- Gold for level five
I'd like having a mode that will just keep sending me to my weakest skill repeatedly without me having to scroll around my tree guessing which ones need work.
Sometimes (as in our family) several people share one device to do duolingo on. It can be annoying to always have to change users. So an easier way to do so. Perhaps even an option to put several users into a “family” and then can just click between them without having to log out, enter username and password to log back in.
- suggestion from RandomTed, kingjigo313, and pandaking.
Some sort of feature where when you get an answer wrong you can easily click on a vocal word you don't know and add it to a list of vocabulary which you can then practice separately later on. Also a feature to incorporate speaking or at least prompting you to practice speaking. This would be very helpful, especially with some Asian Languages.
Not just when you get an answer wrong. you should be able to add any word from the "words page" or any word/words from a sentence when studying skills to a list of "words I don't know well"
It wouldn't make sense to have to purposely get something wrong to add it to your list.
Thank you so much for asking!
During each lesson, I would like to be required to translate more sentences from my native language to the foreign language I am learning. As this is more difficult to do, I have found that I learn the lessons much faster when I am asked to do this. It requires me to really think about each word to use, the proper verb conjugation, the word order, etc.
Being able to see the Tips and Notes for a module on the mobile app would be extremely helpful.
Hey Luis. Thank you for taking the time do to this. I request that Duolingo incorporate the voices of native speakers into the courses, and start to move away from the robotic voices. Once Duolingo does this, it will open up a door of unlimited possibilities. Not only will it wipe out a lot of your competition, but it will also open up a door of possible government contracts with the military (like Rosetta Stone and Transparent Languages has done in the past). I look forward from hearing your thoughts and I thank you again for taking the time to reach out to everyone. Hope all is well.
"moving away from the robotic voices" I agree with this. While there are many things that we wish duolingo had, I think this is probably the most important.
a system like "https://forvo.com/" where the duolingo community can provide audio for their native language would be nice. Of cause with a rating system in which the audio gets deleted if there are too many down votes. The audio with the most up votes gets chosen, With the robotic audio only being replaced when someone's recorded audio gets a certain number of up votes.
HI Luis, would you consider adding Luganda, Lingala, Congolese languages, please? Thanks for all you are doing. Great job!
Thought on Clubs:
Can you please put Clubs on the website?
FAQs and or help screens would be nice. I joined a club this week using the app on my tablet, and couldn't find any help or faqs at all, and am somewhat confused.
A big question I have is as to whether there is a way for club members to talk out loud to one another. I think speaking with other learners would be a great way to learn, and it might already be available, but my tablet is older and has poor sound so I leave the speakers off. With all sounds turned off I don't know whether the app will even show me if audio communication were available.
I have much better speakers and a microphone on my desktop computer, plus the screen is larger and that allows me to open things like dictionaries, which could be very useful when chatting or speaking with others.
Thanks for your time and consideration. : )
My two cents:
- Change the level borders or have the levels max out at a higher number.
- No course should come out without audio and those that currently don't have it should get it quickly.
- Could we maybe have the HelpfulDuo Q&A back? If it's a lot of work, do it only once every two or three months, but I'm sure a few people liked the occasional communication.
- Point users towards the Help Center and, for example, Usagiboy's Unofficial FAQ. Redirect them when they click on the Discussion tab for the very first time or put these as permanent stickies or even banners or whatever better idea you can come up with. I think it would sincerely help unclutter the forums if more users read these early when starting to use DL.
- As a compromise for the skill decay, how about a system, where you can opt-in/out? Preferably for each individual tree, so users can opt out in languages where they've progressed beyond DL, but opt in in languages they are currently focusing on.
This will probably get lost in the mix. Someone may have already suggested it, but I'm not willing to sift through the 360+ posts (as of this posting) to see.
Now that skills don't decay, I'd like to see the global practice button return to the way it used to work before being updated to target the weakest skill. It would be great if it would select the ~10 weakest words in a user's vocabulary for practice again. This might go a long ways to addressing the concerns of those begging for a more obvious return of spaced repetition.
The problem was/is that the "weakest" words were not the most difficult words but the easiest ones that you haven't practiced in a long time because that would be a waste of time.
Going back a few years, the global practice sessions actually did select the 10 or 11 weakest words - the ones with the lowest strength score. There were a few bugs at the time which prevented certain words from being selected for review a practice session, but by and large, this is how it worked. This changed about three years ago when global practice was modified to select words from the skill with the lowest aggregate strength (and introduced some issues of its own, that has prevented certain words from ever being selected for review).
I'm suggesting a return to the way that global practices (mostly) worked years ago.
Yes, and my suggestion would restore a means of using spaced repetition to review individual words within a user's vocabulary.
You're describing a Leitner Box, which is a simple way of implementing a manual SRS. Since we're dealing with data, Duo's variable decay rates, word strength and other factors can yield a more robust SRS implementation.
I would like more vocabulary in the levels of each topic. I understand the need for repetition, but can manage more words. Writing banana and apple dozens and dozens of times as you progress to level 5 is boring. Need a little more challenge
The option to take truly random quizzes! I would personally like to see something of that sort replace the current "strengthen skills" option, but it's also something I would pay lingots for. When all the lessons are grouped by vocab or grammar, the answers are too predictable. I think the repetition is great for learning, but not for reinforcing, and certainly not for determining my weaknesses. I would love to see a quiz with questions pulled from all throughout the tree so I can be caught off guard. Once completed, maybe there could be a link to the corresponding lessons of the questions I got wrong.
And to echo some of the other suggestions I've seen here: -alternative solutions displayed -grammar guides on the app -new immersion options -more bonus lessons for purchase with lingots
I am just starting to learn Irish Gaelic through Duolingo. I like the way the website works (plain, simple and cheerful), but there are a number of essential things I miss.
I've studied 4 languages in school and did a small course in Esperanto before. The basics when first learning a language were always (the order may differ depending on the language):
- getting to know the alphabet and pronunciation of letter combinations
- learning the first words (word lists)
- basic spelling rules (do's and dont's)
- how to use words in simple sentences
- basic grammar (in the beginning especially verbs - regular and irregular - and how to form the past and present tense)
What I miss here at the Duolingo Irish Gaelic course is most of all the basic rules. I read about them elsewhere online and found that there are slender and broad vowels and consonants and that "ae" is pronounced "ay" - to give but two examples. I had no clue whatsoever! In the second lesson you get verbs thrown at you with no clue how to conjugate them. There is a basic overview at the start but that doesn't cover all the verbs you are confronted with. Also, there is no "word list" feature where you can look up or practice words you have learned so far.
I think I might need to read up on these basics elsewhere before I take up this course again, because right now I'm struggling to understand.
Exactly my experience. I stopped learning Irish Gaelic on DL and started searching the web for the pronunciation rules first of all. Same with Danish.
Kill two birds with one stone by adding a longer streak freeze to the shop and making it extremely expensive. This will permanently reduce complaints of not having anything to spend lingots on, and allow people to keep their streak while traveling in places without Internet access, all without significantly affecting the value of streaks. The new streak freeze could cost a constant amount of lingots as well as a large percentage of the buyer's total lingots so that it could only be afforded once or twice a year by those who have been diligently earning lingots, and the freeze could have limited availability to prevent an increase in lingot begging.
Perhaps also increase the cost of single-day streak freezes by a small percentage of the buyer's total lingots to encourage better learning habits and make streaks more valuable. Right now I could go a year without doing a single lesson and still not lose my streak . . . .
Please listen to the contributors: there are some issues they can't solve like incorrect pronunciations, alternative characters that are not accepted by Duolingo, spaces that are acceptable but get marked wrong,
Make reviewing the "my answer should be accepted" and "there is something wrong" reports easier for the contributors. This could be done by showing reports by users with previous good reports earlier. That way incorrect reports may be pushed back. Maybe you could prevent the same report from popping up dozens of times.
I have no idea how reports are presented to contributors. Maybe it would be a good idea to introduce "helpers" for contributors. Let helpers take care of the easy stuff (for example reject obviously wrong suggestions) so that contributors can take care of the difficult stuff.
Context: I've been using Duolingo every day for >2 years, I've completed both the EN->DE and DE->EN trees, and read all 60 German stories. Duolingo has been really useful, and kick-started my German learning, but is not enough by itself: I've also used Anki every day, listened to ~200 episodes of "Slow German", and more recently started used lingq. During this time my German has gone from some vague recollection of some high-school lessons, to being able to read novels, and struggle through real conversations with German and Austrian friends. For me, Duolingo has probably reached the end of what you're intending to do. This comment isn't for me, but for others starting out.
Please try to dynamically prune out exercises that are clearly pointless. Examples:
As an English speaker I might be asked to translate "I have a dog" into German, and I'd write "Ich habe einen Hund". Duolingo might then immediately ask me to translate from German "Ich habe einen Hund". Given that I just wrote those words myself, it's pretty clear I know what they mean!
I might be asked to translate a long sentence then (despite getting it correct) Duolingo can immediately ask me to translate a single word that was just in that sentence. Clearly I know!
When I do get something wrong, Duolingo will increase the number of exercises. But will pad the lessons with things I clearly know. (Disclaimer: I don't know if that's still true.)
Some lessons don't have many sentences in them, but Duolingo is determined to ask me a certain number of questions, so will mindlessly repeat things, even when it should be clear there's no point.
There's a limited amount of typing I can do in one day, and a limited amount of time I can spend on language learning. I'm hugely motivated to improve, so when it feels my time is wasted it's...disappointing. Especially when Duolingo has a reputation for doing clever machine learning -- but it seems that machine learning is directed towards bulk user retention, not individual's learning. I'd like to see you focus on the users more, and then allow the bulk benefits to flow from that (and you'll get more real learning, rather than people pointlessly clicking around).
The biggest barrier to correctly answering Duolingo exercises is vocabulary (including genders and conjugations). But doing lots of slow typing exercise isn't a fast way to learn vocabulary. I turned to Anki and then aggressively tested-out of Duolingo skills. But it felt I was fighting against Duolingo, rather than it helping me learn as efficiently as possible. I've not used tiny-cards, but if it's half as good as Anki it should be integrated more and used to drill the vocab, and then the exercises should reflect that Duolingo knows that vocabulary is known.
On a more positive note: The stories were fantastic. Especially towards the end they were good stories, introduced new words in sensible contexts, and were great listening practice. Thanks so much for investing in those. I'm sure it was expensive, but well worth it. More of this sort of thing!
I would really like to have some more items in the lingot store, and please make some Vietnamese stories.
A list of "all" my languages when I visit my profile. Right now I am learning French from English, but some time earlier I also started learning French from German, and only this course is listed. So, right now I don't know how much xp I need to get to reach another level when learning French from English. And I konw there is a lot of people who 'switch' their mother tongue. Also, I can't see every course when I glide with the cursor over the French flag, only the courses I am learning from English.
When I visit a discussion I can see how many days somebody is constantly working, but I can't see it from people I am following. I don't understand this.
I totally agree, I had started a few reverse trees but it is difficult to switch and you can't see progress so in the end I deleted all but one.
I think adding European Spanish features to the Spanish course would be greatly appreciated, as these are not currently covered in the Spanish to English course.
Also having the ability to choose different types of exercises to practice in different courses would be a huge help.
Reset lingots or take away the option to give them to posts. Giving credit to posts in this manner seems to only give leverage to the posts that users with a lot of lingots like. Some users have so many lingots it's insane. Implement a cap on how many lingots a user can have max; there was a post made on the forums here about how many numbers on duolingo have become arbitrary, like the lingots and XP (we are getting so much for testing out of a lesson).
Also, redo the upvote/downvote system so it is similar to Reddit's post visibility system; have users automatically upvote their own comments so that they start off with 1 vote.
Also: I've made posts on the forums only to have them inexplicably vanish. The only explanation is that a moderator took it down. Can we please have more transparency and communication as to actions taken on the website, both towards the users, and the design/learning system in general?
The tests that had a grade out of 5.0 seem to have vanished along with my scores. Where did they go?
Please do not bring skill decay back. I am so tired of doing easy peasy lessons that I already know in their entirety, some words are tattooed on my brain I know them so well. Can we have mini tests that completely gold individual lessons based on how well we do on them (no mistakes = gold) instead of five tests for getting out of one lesson?
One last thing: I miss Immersion. Here was a section of the site that let me translate wikipedia articles about things that I took interest in, whether it be TV shows or video games. It was fun, and I was gaining experience with the language I was learning at the same time (both Duolingo XP and actual experience in real life, writing/typing it). I may not remember correctly but it was said that duo was selling the translated articles, and that may have been the reason Immersion was removed. Can you bring something similar back? Perhaps this is one of your new features/projects.
I agree with the people saying they want a way to DM users. I also want a section of my profile that has all my forum posts on it, or at least a way to follow my comments and the upvotes/downvotes it gets.
Thank you Luis. Been on the site since 2013 and plan to be using it for more years to come
Reset lingots or take away the option to give them to posts. Giving credit to posts in this manner seems to only give leverage to the posts that users with a lot of lingots like.
I don't agree with this at all. Lingots don't give leverage; they are just a nice gift that doesn't change anything. There are posts that get downvotes and disappear from a thread, but the lingots that people gave for them will remain.
So: Lingots have no effect on the discussion, unlike upvotes or downvotes.
And the power to upvote or downvote, thus the power to truly influence the position of a post within a thread, is also with those who don't have any lingots.
I love giving lingots for thoughtful threads or replies.
They are just a gift; therefore, take away the display that says how many lingots have been given. Keep the notifications that say "user has given you X lingot(s) for name of post here". Lingots have no effect on the discussion, so remove the display that says how many have been given.
Have the replies to comments automatically minimised, with an option of expanding the comment thread to see all the replies. I think this would be helpful because on many posts, especially ones with lots of comments (like this), it can take ages to scroll through everything. That results in lots of duplicate comments, because I don't want to scroll through everything just to see if someone has already said what I want to say. And I often don't want to read the replies to every comment, so it would be nice to be able to keep the replies to comments I'm not interested in minimised. It also just looks visually messy to me.
Oh my, what an opportunity!
A way of organizing the posts in our "Followed" section. I was thinking of things like folders or searchable tags.
That the "Search" function would display what's found from the most recent posts.
The possibility to search post titles.
The ability to search for a word or sentence in the Lessons (on the Homepage).
I know many others have asked for this before and now, but I'd love to have more useful* things to buy in the lingots store.
( * I don't mean to say the current stuff isn't useful! What I mean to say is that afew more things would be added.)
A nice idea from la_ricfoi: Find all posts from a certain user.
Make profiles look like the Duome.eu/add-a-username profiles.
(Please make this post a sticky!!)
Thank you so much Luis!
It was not my idea, I copied that from other posts. It is a summary, meaning it collects what was posted in the roughly 800 replies at the time I made it.
I have tried to keep it up-to-date a bit, but this thread still moves quickly and it is pretty exhausting to keep up. The vast majority are duplicates anyway.
I think this is a wonderful suggestion but I can't find your summary - ironic. Can you point to it?
I would appreciate the ability to practice mixed content. Eg. in Spanish, it would be important to know when to use indefinido and when imperfecto. Currently, when you're doing eg. the Imperfect skill, you know automatically which tense you have to use. that doesn't help in the real world.
I would like to learn Spanish on the go, wherein I can learn through listening. While I am driving, painting, gymming, etc. it would be helpful to have the app say the Spanish words and sentences followed by the English translation. That would help build memory and quicken learning since many times I am unable to sit with the app hands-on giving it my complete attention, and it strains my eyes to use the phone/laptop, listening and learning will be great to add.
I second that idea. That's how I learnt basic Spanish the first time round, ie just listening to it in the car, which I found very useful. So having some hands-free/eyes-free option would be great.
Hi further to my other comments, I wondered why we get more xp for phone learning than website? It should be the other way around. Seems odd that you might motivate more phone time than PC when the learning process is less effective. it makes it easier to push advertising, but you can't access the knowledge supporting the lessons, which seems limiting.
if you had asked me this a year ago and today compared my wishes to what you have improved since then, you would notice a significant overlap. So thanks! You're doing great work! :-)
Here are some of my current thoughts:
Please let us test out of entire sections of the tree, so advanced learners don't have to take so many tests way below their skill level to get to the stuff they actually need to practice. More about this idea here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27934838
It's great that you're always working on technical improvements and new languages - but maybe also take a hard look at the existing courses, because some of them could use some help. I'm currently working on two Spanish trees, DE-ES and EN-ES, and both need work. Especially the German one, as the contributor team seems to have gone completely MIA (reporting errors hasn't resulted in any change since a year at least). Maybe there is a way to get some new contributors on board? I know that most courses are in better shape, but if this ist a user's first tree, it will leave a somewhat unfavorable impression of Duolingo as a whole.
Course notes in the app, 'nuff said. Come on, this one has got to be super easy to implement ;-)
Another one that's been requested many times and seems like a very easy fix: Remove the capitalization of the first word in "tap the words" exercises. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28226657
I know I'm probably the 1.000th person to say this, but ceterum censeo: We need some way to stay in touch with our friends. I'm aware of the reasons why you removed these features, but then please find some other way to let us do that. It is so important and helpful in language learning. And no, groups are not the answer - they're restricted to the app and to a single language.
A clearer idea of whether the course wants us to give a literal translation, or an idiomatic one. A lot of the time, it requires a literal one, and marks idiomatic ones as wrong. But then, every so often, an idiomatic one pops up, and we get marked wrong for going with what Duo has trained us to do and being literal. I can see from the discussions that I'm not the only one frustrated by this. I think both literal and idiomatic translations should be accepted, but with some explanation of what the sentence would usually mean to native speakers if it isn't generally used literally.
The ability to find our comments (not just the posts they're on) easily. Like a private tab in the Discussions section or on our profile, that shows all the comments we've made and provides links directly to them (again, not just to the post they're on). Trying to remember which posts I've commented on, and then scrolling through all the comments on those posts to find my comments, is tedious. Being able to go straight to the comment would be so much easier.
At least on desktop you can do Command/Control + F and put your name in (rather unique) to get to your comments faster.
Hi! I'm currently learning German, but I really, really want to learn Latin. No language learning sights have it, and it's sadly a dying language. I think that if ya'll were to add Latin, it would somewhat revive the language spoken by the great leaders and philosophers of a long time ago.
Count me in for Latin. I wouldn't necessarily be interested in becoming fluent in it, but so many languages are based on it, and so many professions use Latin words that it would be nice to get exposed to it. We are probably already using more Latin words than we realize.
1) Chatbots on Android and Web;
2) Tips and notes on Android;
3) Stories on Android; More stories for other languages;
4) Characters (like on iOS) on Android and Web;
5) Avatar editor on Android;
6) Duolingo Duels on Android and Web;
7) Courses for advanced learners (B1-B2 levels and higher);
Not really. I think of the upvoting/downvoting more as a way to flag the right/wrong answer to a question, not a agree/disagree.
Downvoting in particular has more of a "report this post" connotation. I.e. don't downvote because you disagree, but because it violates the guidelines.
Upvoting is more for bumping good and informative posts to the top. At times I upvote someone who makes a really good argument against the point that I am making. Even if I still disagree.
Think of them more like stackoverflow and less like youtube (if you are familiar with those).
The mechanisms are confusing and there are plenty of people with different interpretations, which causes it to work fairly poorly.
I think of the upvoting/downvoting more as a way to flag the right/wrong answer to a question, not a agree/disagree.
In the context of a thread asking for suggestions (like this one), there are no right/wrong answers. Of course people are going to express their opinions by voting, and as I doubt DL staff are likely to read the 800+ replies in this thread, I imagine that this use of the voting mechanism was exactly Luis' intention, pushing the most popular suggestions to the top where they can be readily apprehended.
The main problem with voting on such posts as this one is that no-one else wants to wade through 800 replies either, so there is a huge inherent bias towards the first responders who get a critical number of upvotes within the first hour or so.
If I were to do this type of focus group I would lock the thread after a while and have an intern tabulate the responses. 800 responses are not that many that a person couldn't get through them in a day. I think we have a pretty good sample already.
that is why reusing two mechanisms (up/downvote & lingots) for three different applications (answer/reply, discussion, voting) does not work properly.
It's not ideal; I didn't say that it was. However, if you (per your previous statement) up-vote suggestions you disagree with on this thread because you think the poster made a good argument for them, DL is probably going to interpret that as an endorsement of the suggestions.
Lingots are a much worse way to gauge popularity as 1) only a minority express approval by giving them, and 2) there is no limit to the number of them any individual can give. DL is likely only to pay heed to votes, as practically any number of lingots could be the work of one or two individuals trying to skewer perception.
That's why I posted a summary of the thread.
I didn't notice that as it was buried beneath hundreds of other posts, which serves to demonstrate the very point I was making. At this stage in a popular thread you could have posted the secret to eternal youth and few people would ever end up reading it.
In the context of a thread asking for suggestions (like this one), there are no right/wrong answers.
Correct, that is why reusing two mechanisms (up/downvote & lingots) for three different applications (answer/reply, discussion, voting) does not work properly.
no-one else wants to wade through 800 replies either
That's why I posted a summary of the thread.
if you up-vote suggestions you disagree with on this thread because you think the poster made a good argument for them, DL is probably going to interpret that as an endorsement of the suggestions.
That is true. Which makes the situation even worse, because now the semantics of the button becomes context dependent.
In voting threads, like this one, upvoting sort of works (though it favours early reactions over good reactions).
However, downvoting ideas that you do not like, I don't know... it just doesn't feel right.
Bottom-line, it is confusing and that's no good.
I have some ideas!
Have a "phrase of the day" for each language to improve everyday sentences and fluency. Even beginners can learn to memorise a more advanced, well known/used phrase.
Why not have a duolingo avatar? What about games for all ages which improve memorisation and comprehension? Or how about a feature that pairs you up with someone else learning the language and allows you to practice conversation?
I'd like secondary trees for intermediate and advanced learners or longer trees
Hey Luis! I'm not sure if this has brought up yet, but has the Duolingo Team ever considered adding live tutoring sessions to Duolingo Plus? I've used them on other language-learning platforms, and I feel like the ability to practice with a native speaker greatly improved my progress.
For a short time Duolingo was giving us 13 points, rather than the usual 10, when doing the more complex lessons at the end. That seems appropriate since the later lessons are more complex sentences, and are more sentences in number. Then somebody thought it was a mistake and requested we get the usual 10. The system went back to 10. I request that the bigger rewards be restored to account for the extra work in completing each of the later lessons.
- A Latin course
- A Tagalog course
- A Thai course
- An Afrikaans course
- An Icelandic course
- Lessons about slang
- Regional differences (Brazilian Portuguese versus Portuguese Portuguese, Spanish Spanish versus everywhere else Spanish, et cetera)
- More lessons like idioms, flirting, that kind of thing
Something new to use lingots on; there are some word games that allow you to 'buy' (usually with in game tokens that you can earn, but some also buy using really money...not normally my 1st choice.) however, then you can dress them up....Think the track suit for the Duo Owl...but instead of having only 2 suits to choose from you could have 200 different hats, and another 200 different shirts, skirts, pants....ect....not saying that it's something to spend a lot of time or effort on, but adding something like that would allow some of us to spend some lingots, while adding a little character to our screens to encourage us on.
Also, I would like to see some way for us to talk to our friends here on Duo; be it in our native language or in one that we are trying to learn together. ...lets face it, sometime talking to another person can give us perspective; I can't always tell if I am using the correct words when I am writing in a different language, and Duo is Duo...not always giving us the correct translations. But I would LOVE to be able to bring up a in app chat program where I could brag about what word I just learned or what phrase Duo just had me try to say in French/German/insert another language here.... and I could even try and express that to my friend here in Duo by using another language, because that's why they are here too!
Nice idea! Imagine entering all your answers using only voice. That way Duolingo could be used as hands free!
I know that Tiny Cards is an app that goes hand in hand with Duolingo, but I think it'd be super cool to incorporate it with the website. As someone who really likes flashcards, I think that people who don't have access to smartphone devices or who also just like flashcards would be really appreciative.
Maybe a few more things in the shop? Like more outfits for the friendly owl.
I do like duolingo as it is currently, though. I've tried this website a few times on and off in the past, and this is the first time I've stayed for more than a few days before forgetting or feeling something else might be better. This website is pretty cool.
One more thing! I know there's a travel function further down the courses, no doubt when people are more familiar with the language, but would it be possible to have a second set of phrases for languages. Such things as I need the rest room, how much is this, which way, please help etc.. are things people need to learn pretty quickly if they are visiting a country.
Contributors spend a lot of time writing report messages, please display these report messages to users, it is something like a one to one course.
When a user sends a wrong report, then when rejecting the report contributors have the option to define a message which is supposed to be shown whenever someone enters that incorrect answer. Unfortunately, they haven't been displaying for some time.
hello, I recently started practicing again and I have a few thoughts:
- expand the shop! There's literally only three things you can do with lingots
- a set of new achievements would be motivating (maybe something like in a form of a sticker album with the Duolingo Owl in different themes)
- how to write the characters in non-latin based languages such as japanese (paint it with the mouse or finger for example)
That's all from me. I'm a big fan of the Duolingo Stories because they really challenge you. I hope you add more and more languages to it over time.
I enjoy the stories too. Very informative, challenging and engaging the memory and understanding of the content.
In the words tab present can we also have the ability to sort the words by the skill they are presented in? The new crowns system has a bug where the skill is unlocked at a skill level above 0. The new words are not highlighted here and it makes it difficult to know which new words are being presented here. You can do it by clicking on the individual words but if you are looking through the whole list it is cumbersome.
The new crowns system has a bug where the skill is unlocked at a skill level above 0.
This just happened to me on the Spanish tree. I have been trying for months to get to Adjective 1, which is where I was going to next before all the new skills were introduced.
Everytime I pressed Adjective 1, it told me that I couldn't access it until all the skills above it, were at least 1.
However today, I got to Adjective 1, with all the skills above it greater than 0. (i.e. I have done at least one lesson in each skill, but not enough lessons to reach skill 1).
Is there a forum thread about this bug/feature? I can't find it.
@caracal324 How did you find out about this?
Hi! I'm not 100% sure I follow what's happening, but this sounds like a strange experience. Would one of you mind sharing this in the Troubleshooting forum? I'm afraid this information will get lost among all these comments, and that will make sure the people who need to see it will.
I found it by going through the German tree, I remember for one of the people skills, I think nunber one it was immediately unlocked at level 3. It happened to be again recently for Adverbs 3. This time it unlocked on level 1 with one lesson done. It doesn't happen often but it's happened those two times, possibly one more.
Ah, I reached out to some other mods and was told that this has been happening - especially with the German tree. I think I would actually submit a bug report to flag it, as well, if you don't mind. :) https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/204728264-How-do-I-report-a-bug-
I posted a wishlist in another post, and was suggested to paste it here. I don't know if it will get read, seeing the humongous amount of comments already present, but anyhow, I'll throw it in anyway (:
1. Show typos in yellow, not green.
I appreciate that Duolingo is sometimes lenient on typos, but when I'm in a hurry, I don't always take the time to read the green card that appears after successfully completing a question. I fear that I might reinforce my learning of typos if I don't pay attention. A yellow sign in these instances could give the opportunity to a hurried learner to still pay attention when it is most important.
2. Provide explanations for wrongly-reported errors.
I think there is a tremendous opportunity to strengthen the feedback loop of Duolingo if there was an explanation for common mistakes. For example, if there was a ranking of the top mistakes which learners make on a question, but which they think ought to be right, then it would be nice if the course creators had not only the option of accepting or denying the new answer, but also to provide a comment on why a wrong answer is actually being rejected. I feel like the crystallization of knowledge often occurs at these boundaries, where there are subtle lessons which can be gleaned (e.g.: it looks almost right except that in this context this verb tense cannot be used, or whatever). This knowledge base would take a while to build out, but even if it popped up only some of the time, it would still be valuable when it does. Now that I think of it, these tips could even be proposed systematically, not just when users wrongly report their bad answer as a correct one.
3. Add a forum page to the tips and notes of a module.
Sometimes, I have questions about the explanations of a module, and I think it would be fitting to allow for a discussion right there, rather than needing to somehow fit it into the forum page related to a specific question of that module.
4. Add a setting to optionally provide voice for the "origin" language.
Sometimes, a language pair is not available in the direction we'd like, so we take the opposite pair. It works pretty well to do so, except that audio comprehension cannot be exercised as thoroughly, because only the destination language of a pair gets audio, never the origin language. It would be nice if there was a setting to change that (i.e.: provide audio on both the origin and destination language).
5. Add tips and forums to the native apps.
I see this feature requested very often, yet it hasn't come yet. Perhaps the implementation cost is deemed too high... Or perhaps there is a fear that app users would not provide the same level of value as web users to the forum discussions. I personally sometime use the mobile web app instead of the native app because I find the tips and forums so useful. The UX is a bit more snappy and usable in the native app, but even so, I still feel like the missing features outweigh this benefit, at least some of the time.
I would think suggestions 1, 3 and 4 should be very low effort to provide, and could yield a lot of value. I hope they are considered. I understand that suggestions 2 and 5 are high(er) effort, and that the ROI estimation may be more tenuous to justify.
In any case, I love Duolingo and hope to see it continue to grow and evolve over time!
Thanks a lot to the whole team and to the language contributors and community. It is truly special.
Give the random question generator a memory. Currently, it seems to generate each question entirely independently, which can cause some silly things - asking the /exact same question/ multiple times in the same lesson, or having me translate some phrase from English to French then in the very next question having me translate that very phrase from French back to English.
More feedback on right answers where you gave an alternative solution (and, ideally, also where you gave the main solution but alternatives exist). Did I give an answer which is correct, but phrased oddly? Did I give a literal or a closest-cognate translation where a figurative one was expected, or vice-versa? Is this a case of genuine ambiguity? Some examples, from my ongoing French course:
Example: 'Do you speak French?' Main translation: 'Tu parles francais?' Accepted alternate: 'Parles-tu francais?' In my experience, the verb-hyphen-subject order is more common; I had assumed that the subject-before-verb order was a common, but technically incorrect, informal alternative, just as 'You are going to the store?' is a perfectly normal English question but in formal circumstances the technically correct 'Are you going to the store?' would be preferred. So why is subject-before-verb the primary translation? Is this a difference between France and Quebec French?
Example: 'Comment ca va? Ca va bien.' Main translation: 'How are you? I am well.' Accepted alternate: 'How's it going? Fine.' 'How's it going?' is actually the direct cognate of 'Comment ca va?' - the literal translation would be 'How goes it? It goes well.', but that's awkward in modern English - but in terms of /usage/ as a general greeting and response, 'How are you? I am well.' is a closer match. So I can understand why the main and alternate are selected as they are, but this is definitely a lesson that new learners could benefit from.
Example: 'Il parle espagnol.' Main translation: 'He speaks Spanish.' Accepted alternate: 'He is speaking Spanish.' In this case, both translations are equally valid - there's no way to differentiate them, since French doesn't distinguish between simple and continuous present tenses. Which one is meant depends on the context; if the question was 'The new guy doesn't speak French; what should use instead?' then the main translation is correct, but if the question was 'I can't understand this presentation; what language is this guy using?' then the alternate translation is what is actually meant. This is an important distinction that could trip people up later if they only ever learn the main translation.
Thank you for creating this comment interface. I would love to see the "decay" feature return. Of course I can only intuit the behind the scenes algorithm, but it seems to me the strengthen button is now taking me back to elementary lessons. This is a waste of my time. In the pre-crown system I very much appreciated being able to use the "timed practice" button any time I wanted to. It is all we have in DL to simulate spoken speed-generation of a language. It is the sole reason I bothered going through the drudgery of getting to crown level 5. I would have quit altogether had the "test out" feature not returned at least on the desktop version (never on my tablet). Now I am doing a slight amount of repetition in my two languages only because I can access timed practice, and pick a skill I am guessing I am rusty on.
I would appreciate return of the word list for intermittent review.
I agree whole-heartedly with some method of increased difficulty once the tree is complete.
Being able to practice with other DL members is a feature that was not present when I began 2 years ago. Wouldn't that be marvelous! If if it was here when I started, I did not find it. That raises another issue. One has to "accidentally" discover features or have the luck that you read a forum post to discover new features. I would never have found out about test out arriving for crowns had I not been tuned into the angry comments about crowns. Having a message board to users that comes up as the home screen when new features are added would be a gift. I never did get that email about crowns.
I would like to see the computing power improved. I "lost" a 624 day streak on May 16 at 6:15 EST because I believe there was some sort of glitch. This has happened many many times mid-lesson or the end of the lesson. The system just hangs and I have to repeat. I did my points and they did not register. I was totally unaware, never having found any explanation of streak freeze) that I could buy and park a streak freeze as insurance and it would not decay. I didn't buy one as I didn't need one, or so I thought. I never missed. I did my daily points while away in France, Spain and Italy mindful always of the time zone problem. I have never missed a day. Still this happened to me. I was shocked on May 17 to see my streak counter at 0.
Thank you for listening to users. For a long time we have felt no one was.
More detail statistics
This thread was created 11 months ago: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/25616210/Summary-time-statistics-total-hours-days-weeks-average-possible-feature
I think there are ways to improve the 14 days www.Duome.eu/USERNAME XP statistic even more!
Just take the AnkiSRS application, their detail statistics and graphs, Memrise Pro or Mondly as an example:
Like total tracked learning hours
How many phrases/sentences you have already seen from the whole course (all 5 crowns per skill):
An enhancement to this see my follow sub-comment
What time you use Duolingo more effectively and how this relates to a better correctness rate depending on the difficulty of words and sentences
Planning when learned words will come back as due words and what SR interval they have been set to
When due words/sentences you got wrong in review will come back (4 hours vs 12 hours vs 1-x days)
I am sure Luis that you have most of the data available on your backend for collection and internal analysis...
I have updated my above "More detail statistics" comment and added further bullet points: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28202855$comment_id=30005769
Quote T.H: How many phrases/sentences you have already seen from the whole course (through all 5 crowns per skill)
In best case you give users an option to mark interesting phrases/sentences to put them into a "MyPhrases / (Leitner) card file box 1-6"
Like your former A/B TinyCards test - now discontinued - where you could save/export words with examples as flashcards:
I would like to see a CSV export option to support tools like AnkiSRS (which has several available expert user settings incl. full support for "Overdueness") or Memrise; both with a proper spaced reptition algorithm....
......or even SuperMemo for a more fine-tuned (advanced) SR algorithm.
Duolingo has been transformative in my experience thus far - very intuitive and engaging (the core product, stories, and podcasts). I do find that as I progress quickly to new levels, I forget some concepts after a period of time. Personally, I retain information better through review and repetition over time. While Duolingo does that to an extent, it's very difficult to review exactly what I learned prior (in a form of taking notes as I go through the lesson).
I was thinking of using flashcards, where I can populate with phrases that I wanted to go back and review later, and incidentally, I found that duolingo has a flashcard product (https://tinycards.duolingo.com), which is very easy to use. Duolingo also has a set of language flashcards for review: https://tinycards.duolingo.com/users/duolingo.
While the flashcards are covering the basics, and are helpful, I am still missing the ability to review complete sentences/phrases from prior lessons I have completed. Now, as I go through the (Spanish) lessons, if there's a phrase I want to remember, I manually create a flashcard - it's laborious but I am motivated :). Very quickly I have accumulated a large number of flashcards: https://tinycards.duolingo.com/users/E.SAs (they are not perfect, but they work for me).
With tinycards, I don't use the "Lessons" feature (because it's very difficult to get an exact match with a complex phrase). I only go to the "Cards" tab when I can read a phrase in English and click to flip to get the translation.
I realize that learning styles for different people are different, but I do wonder whether using flashcards (with phrases) for review will be beneficial as part of the language learning experience. Wouldn't it be nice, while going through the lesson, to have an ability to "bookmark" or "save for later" phrases that you would like to review later, and for that phrase to be presented in a flashcard in your native tongue with a translation on the flip side?
Bring back explicit skill weakening. When learning something, repetition is key, even when you're at level 5 of a skill. Now, you have no clue what skills are weak. You can take a break for years and your progress is seemingly unchanged, which does not match reality in any way. Also, keeping your tree gold was a great incentive to come back to Duolingo and practice. I don't suggest you go back to the old system. But once you're level 5, why not show skill decay again?
I couldn't agree more. Once you are gold there is absolutely no indication of where you are getting weak. The only solution seems to use duome.eu another website. To me however I just don't understand why as you say once you are gold all over Duolingo cannot show weakness as otherwise there is no means of knowing where to practice unless you can be bothered to have duome.eu up at the same time.
I suspect that Duolingo figures most people don't get to full gold so they are not a priority. A lot of businesses want to attract new customers a lot more than they want to keep loyal ones as they want new eyes on their adverts.
From a post by m0derator called "Please bring back alternative solutions":
Perhaps around one year ago duolingo had a feature that allowed users to see alternative solutions/answers to problems which greatly helped with broadening one's perspective of a language. This wonderful opportunity to learn is no longer available, or so I've found. Please bring it back duolingo!
I've seen this a lot of places! I think it's necessary and not too hard to implement.
I also like to see literal translations to help me see the grammar. It helps me put the words in the right order when I'm speaking.
Hey there, Luis! This is Andrew from the Japanese and Norwegian teams. I would love to see Duolingo Stories come to these languages, specifically Japanese. Stories is an amazing new part of Duolingo, and I can't wait to see it develop and move in new directions. Thank you!
Yes, it would be nice if the Duolingo stories were availble in all the language courses (not only the Norwegian/Japanese/....).
It's a great way to learn the language (learning the vocabulary in a specific context).
Edit : especially now that the stories are automatically linked to Tinycards deck. (I saw this in the EN-ES course).
That was a major improvement IMHO.
Stories in English!! There's so many courses teaching English as target language but yet there isn't any stories for them, such a pity. It would be absolutely perfect for my mother as it fills the gap between the DL tree and reading easy books.
I'd very much like an italian story, given that it is like the fourth most popular lingue on here.
I would love to see stories in Norwegian. In all languages really, but Norwegian is the one I feel the lack of most.
- the ability to learn difficult/challenging words individually
- the ability to set back single skills in order to learn them from anew/to decide individually when you reach a new level
- the ability to choose what kind of exercises you want to use for learning (only translating, only "write down what you hear" a.s.o.)
- an equivalent for the activity streams or a possibility that users can communicate again
- please bring back alternative translations or always display the best translation for a sentence, this feature was immeasurably helpful.
Thanks for reading and being present in the forum! Best regards from a former contributor/moderator who may come back in the future.
an equivalent for the activity streams or a possibility that users can communicate again
Yes please. This was an amazing avenue for practicing the languages we're learning in a "real world" scenario. I don't really care if this comes back in the form of a "public wall", but some sort of private messaging feature would be fantastic.
The idea of having a public wall is good because it allows interaction and language practice but also includes a measure of safety. Best of both worlds.
"the ability to choose what kind of exercises you want to use for learning (only translating, only "write down what you hear" a.s.o.)"
Exactly. But please let me also choose to only translate into the target language! :)
Luis, You can give us multiple tabs to choose from for different orderings of the comments, similar to the "popular", "new", and "followed" on the discussion select screen, so that you can see new good ideas, not just the first good idea that so many people see and just upvote that idea, and don't go even close to the bottom to see good posts such as the one I wrote saying "I can think of multiple things: Latin, Clubs for computers, bring back the fluency percentage, I haven't done grammar bots but they sound awesome, and more things to buy in the shop." Also, other things mobile has, such as the chests, would be wonderful to have on computers. Another good idea would be to be able to change the amount you wager on the 7-day streak, or maybe even private chats
^brings to mind : Bring back the ability to take language exams. I didn’t mind taking them and receiving fluency ratios even though they may not have been fully accurate. I didn’t mind spending lingots on those.
Definitely add more things to lingot store.
I did enjoy the language bots...just had wished their conversation was expanded as they were a bit brief—so those would be other suggestions.
I second the above options.
I’d like to see something like being able to choose “increase difficulty” once you finish your tree. I envision something where clicking this would not only expand vocabulary but perhaps include longer exercises like “translate this” allowing the opportunity to translate right in the (envisioned) advanced exercise tree.
If adding to the current tree is a difficult process than perhaps this could be a separate tree available only after level 25—perhaps allowing one advancement to new levels like 26–30.
I’d be the first to volunteer for a beta trial :).
For Duolingo schools option:
As the teacher:
The ability to click right next to my name ( or at least at the top of the page ) into/out of the class instead of scrolling way to page end to click into schools.
Perhaps a way to view a students' tree(s)? This could be a flexible option/choice. It would be nice to be able to see what progress a student is making rather than just the number beside their name & would be helpful in encouraging daily progress.
An assignment option for flash cards (perhaps linked to Tinycards as student practice there does not count here currently). I ask that they do tiny card so if that could be reflected here that would be great.
Along that same line the ability for the instructor to add new vocabulary/flash cards assignments as students' lvls increase.
The ability to give assignments to select students instead of the whole class.
Pardon me, if there's a way to do this, I'm not aware of it. Currently when I choose an assignment it applies to the whole class unless I add a student later. Only then it will ask me if I want to include the new student into the prior ongoing assignment.
The age levels & knowledge lvls in my class are different so rather than create an entirely separate class for each student this option would be simpler.
Lastly, suggestions from one of my students:
If the class participants are learning more than one language the option to have those classes/assignments appear on one page.
Assignments to gain 75/ & 1000 XP could be either assigned solely to a particular language or considered completed when assigned XP is completed in any of the class languages. (i.e., the ability to have either focused or general XP assignments.)
expansion of the range of required XP that can be assigned.
A bit out of sorts this early morning so I hope all of this doesn’t sound as discombobulated as I feel.
Thank you so much for asking this Luis. I was feeling a little down about the change in Duo atmosphere and this gives me quite a bit of hope.
~ As an aside: Nice to see you again Alex! You probably don’t remember my messages but I was thrilled to get your input (& A.L.'s as well) back in the day :).
I love the idea of having "assignments" even as someone not in a class. I think it'd help learning a lot.
Agree with every point thoroughly.
I think the ability to only practice translation or listening is essential because while I feel I have a basic understanding of vocabulary and grammar, pronunciation/listening is much harder to get a grasp of (my practice is much more limited when I'm not with native speakers). Obviously this could be the same or the opposite for others but nonetheless I believe it would be a massively useful implementation.
I wonder if you (and others here in this discussion) are maybe expecting too much of Duolingo. DL never intended to bring you to mastery of a language. It wants to bring you to B1/B2, not C2. If you have finished your tree and its reverse (and maybe even laddered) and everything is golden then maybe it is time to leave this bubble and get out into the real world.
By that I mean buy a book (children's books are good for starters and read it out loud to yourself) or an audio book together with the real book (to look up what you didn't catch by listening), listen to the radio (on the internet), watch movies (with subtitles in the same language), buy a magazine of your field of interest etc. There are many possibilities.
I mean, what are you learning that language for? To stay within Duolingo for the rest of your life?
(Yes, I realise this will probably get me a lot of downvotes. Don't get me wrong, I love Duo and want to see it improved, too. I just think it can't be the Swiss army knife you (plural) want it to be.)
He asked what new features people wanted to see on Duolingo, with no guarantee that we'd see them. So people are suggesting improvements and saying what they'd like to see on Duolingo. That's all that's happening here. Obviously it's never going to be a perfect language-learning tool, but this is a post specifically about ways people want to see it improved. I'm not sure what the issue is.
Your last point (and one I also asked for) . . . is BACK! Wahoo! Today the alternative translations came back!
we once had it with the immersion
Duolingo is a real and vibrant community with the immersion.
The immersion helped mutual help, understanding and genuine friendships
Based on this lovely shared passion for languages
Immersion encouraged a unique combination
of learning, translation, interaction and a native feedback
- An option to practice strictly vocabulary
- More unlockable custom lessons
- Advanced challenge mode for listening comprehension where there are no words displayed to assist you
Yes. Vocabulary. Perhaps making sure that Tinycards has an up-to-date deck the corresponds with the skill tree?
I'm learning Esperanto. I see Esperanto decks on Tinycards, but none are 1:1 with what I'm learning on Duolingo.
The forum could really use an overhaul. I enjoy browsing the posts, but get infuriated by minor annoyances, as they are consistent and plentiful.
Like how when I "return" from a post, I'm automatically back at the top of the forum, and have to scroll all the way back to where I was before entering that thread.
Or the fact that the search function never seems to work for me. I mean wouldn't it make more sense to present the most recent posts which match my search criteria, or the posts that matches best? Instead of prioritizing the most popular threads, which are usually some ancient post requesting a new language course or likewise.
And why can't I seem to enter the discussion from the mobile app?
How does the search function not support quotation marks? Obviously having word AND word as default is better than the old word OR word but I think I’m finding less posts than before because I’m not able to search for an exact phrase.
Returning to the discussion list is big problem if you don't use separate tabs. They will fix this sooner or later.
Hi Luís, I have a few suggestions :
Better forums. Ideally with a separate announcements forum so we can subscribe only to that one if we wish.
Multiple voices would also be good.
More things to do with lingots.
A once a year holiday shield to maintain the streak for up to 2 weeks.
More transparency on incubator choices. You probably have very good reasons for your choices, but with no communication it can be frustrating when a conlang for a movie or TV show appears and there's still no latin or Scottish Gaelic.
Make the difficulty level the same on mobile and desktop. I won't work on polish when away from home as I know I can win the game in Android but I learn next to nothing. But on desktop it works better. I know I could use the desktop site in the browser, but that's not very practical.
Pop up optional on screen keyboards, to allow typing in a script different to your keyboard's script.
More, many more, bonus sets of lessons like the Christmas and flirting ones.
And finally, what I find to be the biggest weakness of Duolingo, we never learn what would traditionally be the first lessons in a classroom : Hello, my name is, I am x years old, I come from x, I like X etc. My suggestion here would be to have a form to fill in with all the Xs that would only ever be pulled through to the exercises. Or for anyone paranoid about data, have a dozen characters with prepopulated details and their data could flash up whenever the exercise was one of those questions.
I've just thought of another one - frequently requested in the forums - a friend-matching system, linking you with someone taking the reverse tree at a similar level so you can help each-other. There would need to be heavy filtering of what could be said, no real world data exchanged and a very prominent "report abuse" button, but it should be workable.
The forums need a way to hide one comment and all its responses, so you don't have to scroll so far.
Secondly, the notifications for replies should be re-introduced
Of all the posts, I like yours the best. I agree with all of these! However, on more advanced courses, there are multiple voices. (Spanish from English has three, although the second female voice doesn't pop up a lot, and English from Spanish has two, at least.)
Those "first lessons in a classroom" are spread out through different skills; I've learned all that stuff from most of the basics and a few skills up.
There's no sign of multiple voices in Italian and when I actually went to a classroom to learn Italian after about half the Duolingo tree, I found I was pretty advanced in everything (compared to the others in my beginners class) except in the "Hello, my name is" stuff - it may be better in other trees, but there's no sign of it in Italian or Polish.
The other voices were added later, so maybe Italian will get more. I don't know about that classroom stuff for your trees, but I certainly got it in Spanish.
I would much prefer having the streak be a streak, and the streak freeze be removed entirely in its different versions.
I think a streak freeze comes in handy when you're travelling through different timezones and you're on flights with no in-flight wifi. Or if you need to work somewhere remote with no signal for a few days.
But I also think a streak freeze should cost more than a few lingots. That way it's only used when you absolutely have to.
Plus, bugs and connectivity issues. I haven't used up a streak freeze because I really didn't practice in 1.5 years (and that day I had a high fever and misremembered whether I'd done DL), but I've used up a few streak freezes because of travel, timezone bugs or some kind of connection problem. Unless I can be sure those don't happen, I'd rather have a streak freeze.
Agreed. As long as most of my lost days are due to timezone shenanigans and connectivity issues, the streak freezes should stay cheap.
I would like to see the total number of days a person has studied, not just the streak.
We can "study" a language without actually doing the exercises. I have spent many days reading through sentence discussions, not just for a few minutes but hours, sometimes using an entire day. How would we track that, plus offsite studying?
The most important thing is what your brain "tracks", i.e. what you learn. The courses as such don't have much to teach me any more. I learn most from reading the discussions between natives on the reverse tree. Maybe I make only 10 XP on a given day but spend hours interacting with natives.
There are also many people throughout the world who have unstable internet, and such a move would penalize them. The point of the streak is to make learning a habit. If you miss a day or two every now and then, it's not really a big deal because it's not detrimental to your learning. (In fact, your brain needs a break every now and then!) Is the streak any less valid for people who do lessons just before and just after midnight? It is measured the same, even though they might effectively do lessons every other day. Habit is the goal.
The streak is not necessarily a statement of "I've earned this because I've for sure definitely done it every single day", so much as it is "This is how long I've been consistently practicing." :)
I've been tracking my streak with the Habitica app and haven't missed a day according to it, but I've used two streak freezes, presumably because I did lessons before bed (still before midnight). I live a few time zones away from where I lived when I signed up.
I'd prefer to keep freezes until app sync/connectivity issues and time zone complications aren't problems anymore. Maybe they could even implement tracking for offline users who sync up when they get internet again and restore their streaks for lessons done offline.
Keeping the streak up is very motivating. And if I just don't do a lesson and let the freeze get used, I'll know and I won't feel the same sense of accomplishment.
I am not interested in other people's streaks, just my own. Since I do not have connectivity issues, I have challenged myself to never purchase weekend or one day streak freezes. I think it solves my problem, of wanting to truly know how long my streak is, without keeping others from using the feature.
I am pretty sure that if your streak freeze gets used you don't get credited a day so you will still know how many days you have done.
It is just useful as a backup in case of unforeseen circumstances preventing you from doing Duolingo - power cut, family emergency ......
Uh, the Streak Freeze wasn't simply created for users who can't put off even a minute of Duolingo every day. Its real purpose is to help you maintain/save a fairly long streak just in case you ever accidentally forget to do it one day, or if you are in a really urgent situation. I once had a 50 day streak, not too long but long enough for me to feel pain if I lost it. I was at an airport waiting for an overnight flight. If not for the Streak Freeze, I would've lost my streak instantly since by the time I arrived at my hotel, there won't be enough time for me to earn even 50 XP (my daily goal). There are plenty of others who have similar experiences to mine, so your idea of eliminating the freeze surely isn't going anywhere.
Hi Luis, Sitting here with my Westie doing Duolingo :) Thank you for this wonderful language learning opportunity. I would love to see the following: The ability to follow a course contributor (Sitesurf) to read all the excellent grammar clarification given across the board. The ability to select what I see are the more difficult sentences and put them in a test which I can refer to as desired. For example, a new grammar rule is displayed in a few sentences within an exercise but then one does not come across the application again unless one reviews the lesson until the sentence is found. As a result it is too easy to forget. If I could pick out sentences and place them in a self designed test that would be very helpful. Right now I do something like this manually.
Ah, so something like how Quizlet lets you "star" problems to test only on those?
Exactly. We know what we are having difficulty with or what might be difficult to retain. Any way to be able to review these areas regularly until they are retained would be helpful.
I'd like to see longer trees, more challenging sentences in advanced levels and ancient languages on duolingo.
- One needs a vocabulary of at least 2,500 words in order to effectively communicate in a language. Only the older trees seem to teach such a wide vocabulary. Shorter trees should be expanded until they reach that threshold.
- The concept of crown levels is great, but its application is rather unsatisfactory. I can't talk about other trees, but in the Japanese one, the same sentences are repeated in the higher levels of a skill. More challenging sentences need to be added by the contributors.
- Latin and ancient Greek shouldn't be absent from such a great language learning platform. These languages are in high demand and the development of such trees would help a lot of people.
Having said that, duolingo is the greatest platform for learning foreign languages. You have done an excellent job. :-)
I think the repeated sentences help to perfect a skill so it shouldn't be totally removed. But I do want more challenging sentences at least from crown level 4.
We do have Greek here (you must know that, as you're learning it), and I don't see how ancient Greek should be that high up on the priority list of languages, although I do agree, we need Latin as well. I'd definitely be a part of a Latin course if we ever get one.
The Greek course on duolingo actually teaches modern Greek, which is very different from ancient Greek, as it was spoken in classical Athens.
Ancient Greek is the language in which important writers of the antiquity, like Plato, Aristotle, Thucydides and Sophocles, wrote their works. Being able to understand these works in their original form is crucial to understand classical Greece. :-)
Well yes, I know, I did make that distinction, and I think it'd be a good addition sometime, but I wouldn't think it'd be as high a priority as some other languages.
Attic Greek is incredibly useful. With Attic Greek alone, one could read the sources of Plato, Aristotle, and Euripides. And it is very easy to learn Homeric Greek from there. I would consider the second highest priority ancient language.
. . . Attic Greek? Is that some kind of ancient Greek, spoken in Attica, maybe?
The number of words one needs to know to communicate is very different for different languages.
Interesting point anitramwaju - What would you say are approximately the lowest numbers for a particular language; and the highest minimum useful (approx.!), and for which more complex languages?
It does seem that on Duo you can finish a language tree with fewer words than many pre-school children have, so I agree with Panagiotists that we could do with extended vocabs. I'd like to see more varied words in the repetitive structure exercises e.g. more of "the man gave the pig an apple" followed by "the girl gave the dog a bone" etc instead of the exact first sentence reappearing several times.
I'm not sure that Duo is the right place to learn Latin or Ancient Greek though - at least not unless its vocabulary changes from "good for chats" to "good for scholarship"!
Drop the downvote button; keep the upvote - used properly, the outcome will be the same without all the negativity
EDIT: if you are also interested in this idea please vote it up to help compensate for negative downvotes. Thanks ;)
Good idea about the downvote button, or maybe it could simply display '0' for negative numbers but keep track so that downvotes are not totally ignored (eg a very active thread might have 40 upvotes and 50 downvotes, if you ignore the downvotes then it will look like a popular statement when in reality it is controversial). Also, the downvote is useful to get useless messages hidden eventually, eg I find that some course discussions are clogged up with messages just containing random letters. Alternatively a 'report' option would be good.
"Downvoting" and "upvoting" have the effect of moving responses up and down in the column. That's actually one of the most annoying features of this particular forum's software, in my opinion.
I can understand why some might like it (popular answers get shoved to the top, so for the crowd that wants a quick answer it provides instant gratification). But such manipulation causes more problems than it solves. For example, in a serious discussion one needs to be able to follow the thread as it evolved temporally. A post, whether you agree with it or not, is part of the discussion. It is important to know what was commonly known, or available in the public sphere, when a comment was made. (This is actually common in philosophical, scientific, and political forums. People can "like" or "dislike" any comment, but the temporal ordering of the comments does not change based on that.)
I think you should be able to "upvote" or "downvote" all you want--I don't have a problem with either of those concepts--but the results of such subjectivity should not affect the position of the post in the column. That should only be affected by Time, which is not subjective.
I agree the thread should follow a strict lineal timeline and posts shouldn't be shifted around based on popularity. Group voting to exploit this loophole used to happen a lot on here (that was a sad time on DL) but that seems to have calmed down a bit more now
It is currently more like a stackoverflow format, OP poses a question, others reply. The best answer goes to top.
The forum is very poorly suited for discussions.
- Up/downvotes mess up chronological order
- Nesting depth is severely limited
This thread is not the place to debate solutions, but a better way to have proper discussions would be nice.
The best answer goes to top.
Italicized word is loaded. "Most popular" would be a more accurate description.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. This forum was not necessarily created for debate or long philosophical discussion. But they happen sometimes, and when they do they are very hard to follow.
Ideally, you could have a Q&A space for short answers (e.g, "Should I say papa or patata in Uruguay?") where the "best" answer gets shoved to the top; and a YABB-type forum for more in-depth discussions (etymologies, historical contexts, origins of phrases, regional variations of languages, opinions, etc.), where order of post is determined by chronology. (Let somebody ask "what is a kite called in Latin America?" I can easily imagine that one growing to hundreds of posts, and potentially some very interesting arguments.)
Yes, obviously the "best" is the intended result, not necessarily the actual one.
In my opinion, most of the long discussions tend to be very enlightening from a cultural point of view.
There is nothing at all enlightening about discussions on Duolingo as it does the typical speech censorship therefore for the most part this place is a parade of opinions by people who already agree with each other when it comes to social/political/cultural ideas.
Andu444618, I wasn't talking so much about the thread in general, but rather the comments within it and also those in the question discussions. Too many valid comments have disappeared into a black hole because they might not suit the majority view. Thats negative and unjust if the points are fair and well made. You too make some good points: report button sounds great, and it would help the mods too
I agree that it would be better to leave the comments in timeline order, I don't like the jumping about of them either, I had forgotten it does that... And I also agree that there is a difference between being downvoted where people simply disagree, but it's still a valid comment that shouldn't be hidden, and 'reporting' type downvotes eg where someone just typed actual rubbish (I mean like just typing 'rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr' or something like that) which should be hidden.
Could we have better audio please? This would be a big improvement on the existing learning experience. On both Italian course and the Swedish course there is sound missing on the Type What You Hear part of the lessons. Yesterday I attempted to Level Up but four the questions were audio on type what your hear and it was completely silent! So I got all the other questions correct and did not test out my skills because there was no sound on four of the questions! This is very frustrating! I have tried all the troubleshooting tips on Duolingo website but nothing seems to help. I use a personal laptop for my course and I also use a computer at University so I don't think its a problem with the equipment I am using. Its not just level up it also happens on the lessons too and how can we know the correct way to pronounce when we can't hear. Apart from that annoyance yes I love the Duolingo course and I am enjoying them.
Hi Luis, thank you so much for making duolingo. It'd really be nice if you make it possible to access the 'lessons' from the mobile app. Again, thank you so much!
On the website, if I get an answer wrong and I go to the discussion I should be able to return to the excercise. Right now if I go to the dicussion my progress through the lesson is abandoned. This is very annoying, especially when you consider that the discussions are the place where grammarical errors are usually explained in some detail. I want to understand what I have done wrong and then continue with the excercise, not start again from scratch.
Set up your browser to open a link in a new window or tab, or try right clicking with you mouse and opening the discussion page in a new window.
During some of the audio exercises the demonstration voice can be garbled or hard to understand, it is often the female voice. In some of the discussions even native speakers have reported having a hard time understanding it! Sometimes it is better in slow speed and sometimes it is not, and it seems that reporting it really does not change anything! However there is a male voice and for the same examples it might be clearer. A change you might want to explore would be to have a third button to change voices or to change genders. This could be under the slow speed button in the audio exercises. Even just hearing another voice would help us to understand those examples that simply are not registering in our brain and switching back and forth could be helpful in understanding what is being said.
Some kind of chat feature so you can practice with other language learners.
I love Duolingo, but I think it would be cool if you replaced the Lingots with the currency of the language a particular user is studying. Like if they're studying English, you could keep Lingot, or do USD. If they're studying Chinese, they could earn RMB. It would help them to learn the currency.
Okay, I have another suggestion. More granularity in notifications!
If I reply to a popular discussion, getting twenty emails in twenty minutes is a little unreasonable! I don't mind getting some sort of update but there's no option for anything except "unleash an email firehose please."
Use a threaded mail client like gmail and all the responses will show up under one email.
Hi, I haven't been here very long, so I hope this are genuinely suggestions rather than things I haven't found yet!
for languages I already speak, is there a way to a) add them as a proficiency, or b) test right at the end of the tree? I found the shortcuts, but I still have to do all the final modules one by one to get them.
Stories! Someone told me about this feature today, but sadly it's not yet available for Dutch. So more of these please.
Maybe more levels and/or vocab for specific topics?
More options for speaking practice!
The new Duolingo is an amazing piece of work.
However errors and ambiguities are bound to be woven into the fabric.
Clearing error reports and finding a way to announce them would be a good way marshal your forces.
It would be nice to tag words you have trouble remembering. Also, stories in more languages. Not all languages get the same amount of resources.
I would like more useful features such as ways to test our learning or new challenges, features added just for entertainment would not really bother me as long as effective features such as purchased tests are not unnecessarily removed.
My experience of Duolingo is based entirely on French, so unlikely to be representative of all users. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to learn a language that this site has given me, and thoroughly enjoy using it. That said, I sometimes feel that some improvements, have not been particularly productive in enhancing my learning. I would like to see:- - the return of flashcards in the words section. In my opinion, it was far superior to Tinycards, and would address most people's concerns regarding vocabulary. - a section, possibly on the home page, that describes how the Duolingo site works and how to navigate it. Novice users are often downvoted, because they have asked a basic question about the site: it's not compatible with a welcoming and positive learning experience. -in line with the above, the stopping of downvoting. It would surely have the same effect on the forums, only those with lots of upvoting would survive. -in order to improve accessibility, improve colour contrasts and cease dimming incorrect answers, so that it is easy to compare with the correct answer. -place the audio button at the bottom of the page, away from the sentence. It is too easy to cheat and read the sentence, thereby reducing the learning of aural skills. My jury is still out on the crown system, so I am reluctant to comment on that, other than to say, it does seem to promote a 'mastery' approach to learning, which appears to be highly regarded in Japan, and is being adopted by schools across the world. Finally, thank you for consulting with us and taking the time to read our suggestions.
Hello, Luis. First thing that usually comes to my mind when I'm on Duolingo is "I'd like to be able to talk to people here, make friends, send them messages, ask for advice, ask how they solved something, offer them help, etc." Next would be a harder daily goal. 50XP is low. Get it to like hundred, thousand, then that would be challenging. Also, please fix the level skipping, it only shows the usual 10-ish tasks on repeat every level of a topic. I can do them once and skip a level or do them 20 times or up to 35 (as I've just now seen) to progress, which path I will take is obvious. Also the space for bio is too short. I'd like to tell people more about myself, well not that it matters since nobody actually reads that and you can't contact the person.. Finally, I must say that the new system of completing tasks is no longer fun, it's tedious, a grind you could say, though a completely new change of the whole system could be scary as we never know what to expect next. Will it be good, will it be bad, we don't know.
Stories in more languages, PLEASE!!!!! Stories in Chinese, especially. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/26876802.
The 'words' feature for more languages.
The 'shiny' achievement brought back
'Say this into the microphone' courses in more languages. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/26930769
Hi Luis, I have been enjoying studying here very much, but I would like to see more realistic sentence examples, or explanations in the case where a practice sentence might be considered to be unusual to a person studying from a given first language. I am working on learning Spanish (LA), currently at level 11, and I expect there to be simple phrases for instructions sake. Sure, this could include phrases that might not often be encountered in the real world...but what in the world is a "meat sandwich'? I find it hard to envision a situation where one would make an order for food, but not specify what meat they want to eat. Encountering what appears to be a silly phrase, I am left wondering if that was really the best example the staff at Duolingo could come up with in this instance, and if the course has many more similar sentences and phrases.
Also, I like the app on my tablet, but feel that using the website version of Duolingo on my desktop computer provides a much more thorough and useful learning experience. I wish that I could do lessons on the app, but then repeat them at will on the website. As things are now, one can review words, but there's no way to simply repeat a completed lesson.
Thank you : )
- Bring bag the fanfare when leveling up
- REMOVE THE HEALTH FEATURE. I am not even sure if it is still a thing, since I don’t use an iPhone. But if it is, and it ever arrives on the web/android, I’ll personally quit DUO, after ~1000 days of active use.
- Remove streak freeze, or at the very least make it very expensive. It seems ridiculous that people can have streaks without being active on a daily basis.
- Make it a demand that the contributors on languages in the making share at least one status update a month. Even if it is something simple like ‘we have technical difficulties and await it to be fixed’.
- Grammar tips on the phone; if LingoDeer can do it, so can you.
- Make the test-out feature harder (it is insanely easy in German at least).
- Get new/more contributors to help fix the Chinese course. I was an alpha tester, and back then we got a lot of great response. But now? Well..
Please bring back the option to post our leveling up on Facebook. My friends have been following and enjoying my progress.
Well, I really like Duolingo the way it is now and have no suggestions (Sorry I know that is not helpful). I just hope that the changes are for the better.
I'd love you to find a way to present news in a more clear way. I once logged in and saw Spanish tree is completely different. I checked facebook, twitter, forum, and only found other surprised people. Something more like a blog or changelog would be nice. :)
I agree with you! My Spanish tree has been all changed, and now I hardly do the Spanish. I've lost my enthusiasm for it.
I'd like to be able to chat with other duolingo members outside of discussion forums.
Writing exercises! Where the answer is more than one sentence and you need to actually create, rather than just translate. Perhaps a challenge available once a week to those who have got so far down the tree to write a small paragraph about a theme, which is then submitted and later feedback is provided. I can imagine interesting themes leading to discussions on the forums about what everyone's responses are! Certain requirements could be included, such as the use of a particular tense or the inclusion of a couple of newly provided words to get some extra vocab also :)
Writing and speaking is not just whats needed to really be a more complete language learning site (along with the vocab, grammar and listening which duolingo already includes) but is also what is most lacking from alternative websites, especially without the very high price tags!
I would like a more in-depth explanation of grammar and conjugation patterns. For romance languages that'd be like 1st, 2nd and 3rd group conjugations and irregular verbs. That information could grow as we learn new tenses. Although this information is available everywhere on the web, I think it'd be an excellent addition to Duolingo. Also on the same topic, we could have conjugation practice devoted to those languages that really need it.
If you could include phonetics in the whole program it would be amazing! For those of us who care about it, it would be a great tool to help us master pronunciation faster and also to see the patterns within the language.
Back when we had the old system, you could open the unit and see the vocabulary related to such unit. It'd be useful to have a way of looking at the list of let say, adverbs, adjectives, conjunctions, verbs, etc. that we learned in that unit without having to go through all the lessons again. Maybe that could be displayed as a bonus at the end upon turning a unit golden.
Thank you so much for all your hard work. I love Duolingo!
I really love the duolingo stories in the labs, i do at least one a day and I feel like it improves my comprehension skills a lot! If I had to change one thing, I would like to have back the feature where we can type/have full conversations with the bots about certain topics (clothes, food, etc.) I really enjoyed that feature on mobile and was sad to see it go!
also chatrooms for each language section would be fun
ex Italian for English speakers and Italian for Spanish speakers will be separate chatrooms
it would also come with the special characters necessary for the language so you can use them if they aren't on your actual keyboard
Back a year or so ago, when I was learning Welsh, not on this account, when you viewed the different levels in the skills, it would have the words in them, so when done I could read over the end, make sure I knew the words, how they fit in grammar, etc. That would be useful, even if just in a large list next to 'Labs' or in the actual lesson.
Access to discussion on iPad or Android after answering a question. I can't always get to my PC and then use my iPad. But it limits one of the very most valuable learning tools.
More improvement for languages other than Spanish, The lesson writing on mobile and a page to take notes.
something to work on listening comprehension would be great. It's by far the part I struggle with the most in learning language. Maybe the ability to play the sentences at more different speeds.
Thank you for asking for our input. These are the two biggest changes I would like to see added (and I've seen them in other posts already):
Make "Tips & Notes" for each "Skill" accessible from the app (currently only accessible from the desktop site). To me, this is huge - sometimes I want to relax, chill, and learn/study some French in a comfy chair in my living room, and away from any laptop or desktop.
Expand the lingot shop/incentivize/gamify Duolingo even more. The game aspect is what makes it fun, and I think if more items and achievements were added to the app it would attract more active learners too. I already have over a hundred lingots just sitting around, I've bought everything in the shop, and I still have many skills to go through and lingots to earn.
That's it! Thank you for everything you do.
P.S. If you guys ever open an online shop, I would happily buy a Duolingo hat or shirt!
I'd like to see some way to restore a lost streak within a certain amount of time of losing it. I lost a year-long streak because of a sync problem between mobile and web-based, and the streak was what was really keeping me motivated. The thought of rebuilding it is a bummer, especially with the new crown system, which I'm not really a fan of.
I'd like the streak to be replaced with "total days active". It would be just more motivating to learn as often as possible, and you won't get demotivated by losing a long streak because you missed only one or two days (with streak freeze) in a row.