https://www.duolingo.com/Ethan-Xenon

Russian Declensions, Help Wanted

Hello, and thank you for viewing this post. I am beginning to learn Russian and am trying to memorize the declensions of words with the following site: http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/morphque.cgi?flags=endnnnnp The issue I am having is that all the words it shows that are supposed to have the "ё" symbol have that symbol replaced with "е", so that the dots above that letter are always lacking. In many cases I have found other tables online that have allowed me to know which words have "e" and which have "ё", however, searching these words with Google does not provide the extensive information on Russian words, unlike the website given. This means that I am unable to determine whether or not "ё" is present in many of the different variations of some Russian words like "мой", and others. At first, I thought that an "е" with two accents, like this, e'' , would indicate than in that position the word would have this: "ё". I noticed, however, in researching всё that this correlation is not consistent, as many variations of всё such as все' would only have one accent, and the real form of that word would have an "ё". In other cases, an e' with one accent would not correlate to an "ё" in that position of the real form of the word at all. Because of this, I feel as though I have no way to memorize declensions the proper way. I am aware that many Russians simply don't bother to add the "ё" into their words, but I want to be able, when writing or typing in Russian, to use the correct letters in the words I spell. Thank you for reading my verbose plea for help, and Thank you for the answers you have provided. - Ethan.

July 29, 2018

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

yeah the one for все' is wrong but elsewhere it looks to be е''=ё

IMO the best is just to use wiktionary for the declensions

July 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mirny7

I noticed, however, in researching всё that this correlation is not consistent

How could you research всё there?

If всё is entered the site returns Word not found

When you enter «все» it gives you the paradigm of «весь» with all the ё's in proper places represented as е".

July 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

you have to put it without ё, apparently if you enter ё there it will crash the site lol

if you search весь it says that neuter nom. and acc. is все' but it should be все''

July 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ethan-Xenon

Thanks for the help. I would use Wiktionary, however, I don't know how to use it for declension tables. I don't see the tables with Nominative, Genitive, etc. I did find a website called Open Russian, https://en.openrussian.org/ru/%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8C and it seems to include the dots. However, I noticed Open Russian did not include the dots for the Accusative Neuter form of всеь. Is this correct?

July 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

no it should be всё for both neuter nominative and accusative

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8C#Russian find "Declension" there and then click on "show"

or you can use the Russian version there the tables are open without clicking

July 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ethan-Xenon

Thanks again. I went and looked at some declensions and conjugations. Wiktionary seems useful so far.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/1Pozin2

Russians don't care to write ё. If you open any Russian book, you will find only e. But they are smart, they always know where should be ё and where e. So еж means ёж, лег - лёг, but лежать - лежать. Всё - everything. Я знаю всё. But they write: Я знаю все. Все - everyone. Все здесь мои друзья. Everyone here are my friends. Then, what should do English people - just to remember.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mirny7

If you open any Russian book, you will find only e

Not necessarily. Some libs mark the books with ё with a special tag - ёфицировано.

July 30, 2018
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