https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Experiment: Simplified Typing in Tinycards (Shut Down)

The Tinycards team is experimenting with a simplified keyboard for typing challenges on Android. The goal is to make typing challenges easier and faster, especially for those of you who don’t have a keyboard for your learning language installed on your device.

If the experiment is successful, we’ll launch it for 100% of Android users and then work on bringing a similar experience to web and iOS at a later date. As always, your feedback is very much welcome!

UPDATE: We've stopped this experiment based on user feedback. We're going to review that feedback and see what we can do to respond to it before we try rolling the simplified keyboard out again. Thank you as always for your input!

July 30, 2018

33 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Daniel__L

I just received this update and I find it extremely frustrating. I can use a normal gesture based keyboard to type English or Spanish very quickly, and the new simplified keyboard slows me down considerably. I can definitely see this being useful in some circumstances, but it should definitely be something that can be disabled, either in the personal settings or in the deck settings!

I think it's probably a good idea in general... But I need to be able to disable it.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesTPhillips

Please please PLEASE could we have a convenient way of reporting errors in decks? I've found loads of them in the French decks and it's really annoying because you either have to memorize the wrong answer (has to be bad for learning!) or skip that card every time by typing a wrong answer and then clicking "I was right."

The other major annoyance in TinyCards is its inflexibility in what it deems to be a correct answer. Things like not accepting numerals for numbers, accepting "the German persons" but not "the Germans," accepting "nobody" but not "noone" - that sort of thing. I feel like DuoLingo has a far more sophisticated grading algorithm than TinyCards, which is shame because TinyCards could be so great. The UI and overall design is very good.

What would be truly amazing is if we could edit decks ourselves, or at least save copies of them and edit the copies.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/wyqtor

Sounds similar to feature from Memrise. I hope that the new simplified keyboard will keep the general layout of the keys. The Memrise keyboard is more often than not a total nuisance for me, because it just throws letters around, to the point I always type faster with the Android built-in keyboard.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesBridg14

It would be super cool if it were possible to batch import cards via .CSV spreadsheet format. The absence of batch import means that about a month ago I spent over two days creating a deck of 150 cards complete with front-side images and additional back-side notes, but when I clicked the button to publish nothing would happen and I lost the whole deck. Publishing issues aside, even if I weren't including images the sheer quantity of time necessary to manually enter each card is exhausting. Is there any hope for batch import in the near future? Lacking batch import, I no longer use Tiny.cards in favor of another flashcard app that does.

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo

I also support this idea!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Medard

there is a joke...

Jesus and Satan have an argument as to who is the better programmer. This goes on for a few hours until they agree to hold a contest with God as the judge.

They set themselves before their computers and begin. They type furiously for several hours, lines of code streaming up the screen.

Seconds before the end of the competition, a bolt of lightning strikes, taking out the electricity. Moments later, the power is restored, and God announces that the contest is over. He asks Satan to show what he has come up with. Satan is visibly upset, and cries, "I have nothing! I lost it all when the power went out."

"Very well, then," says God, "let us see if Jesus fared any better."

Jesus enters a command, and the screen comes to life in vivid display, the voices of an angelic choir pour forth from the speakers. Satan is astonished.

He stutters, "But how?! I lost everything yet Jesus’ program is intact! How did he do it?"

God chuckles, "Jesus saves."

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesBridg14

Your joke tastes particularly bitter to me given that the Tiny.cards website repeatedly assured me that the draft was auto-saved, so you can imagine my disappointment when I clicked "publish," nothing would happen, and when I came back to the draft later it only had 6 cards out of the 150.

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda

I'm sure the joke was meant in good spirit. :) But that's exactly what happened to me, too! I did not spend the same amount of time as you did, though.

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda

This happened to me, too, and I have not created any decks since. I would love this feature (along with a syncing of drafts across devices)!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Hi, James! You should be able to paste CSV-formatted data into the spreadsheet editor on web. It's a good way to quickly create big new lists of words, especially if you already have them in a spreadsheet.

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

I hope you don't mind - I've started a new post on this topic.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28263786

Check it out!

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda

Hi Justin! Will this support the note fields, etc.? Are there header guidelines? Thx!

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesBridg14

Really? That's a surprise to me, because the 2+ days I spent making the deck that the website wouldn't publish was on the web. If that feature exists, I don't know what it looks like, where to find it, or how to use it.

August 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo

Why Tinycards quiz me same deck again and again in Russian? I use practice button

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Because the practice button only practices words you've already seen, you may need to open some new decks in the Russian course and learn them first. Then the practice button will have more decks to draw on.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesTPhillips

The practice button doesn't work very well in TinyCards, at least in my experience. For instance, let's say it's just given me French Basics 1 and I breeze through it at speed without making a single mistake. I'm really not expecting to see that deck in the near future because I've just proven myself 100% solid on it, yet I'm seeing those same decks with the same words a couple of practice sessions later. Meanwhile, there are decks I've learned which I never see even after hitting practice dozens of times, and I'm super shaky on those decks as a result.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/dogomolo

Thank you!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ginasem

I used to do Tinycards on my ipad through the app. However they started awarding XPs for doing Tinycards but not through my app. I have to go onto safari and do it through the internet. I realize this isn’t the topic you are talking about but I was hoping you had friends higher up in tinycards and might mention that it doesn’t exactly seem to fair. Could you please tell me why you have a blue ring around your icon picture and what I’m most curious about is why do you have the other circle with the white star in it? It reminds me of Texas. But anyway, could you please tell me what that is all about. I noticed a lot of rings but you must be extra special because you are the only one with a star too. Seriously though, could you please tell me what the rings and stars are about.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Hi! Lrtward has it right - I'm the product manager for Tinycards. Nice to meet you!

We're planning to bring Duolingo XP to iOS as soon as possible, since it was a big success on web and Android. We definitely don't intend to exclude iOS users from earning XP in Tinycards forever! It's just going to take us a little time to port that feature to iOS. I'd recommend following this post for updates: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27819336

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda

Not sure how I missed that post before, but awesome!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

If you hover your mouse over anyone's avatar with a circle, you'll get a "tool tip" that explains what the circle denotes. Blue with a star is an Admin - that is, an employee of Duolingo.

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Ginasem

Thank you for answering my question. Now I don’t have to bother people and ask. Now I can just look if I want to. You always give the most complete and thorough answers to people’s questions. You are great at your job.

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MariposaGuapa

May I ask what was wrong with the normal method of typing? The new method isn't very helpful. Maybe if the letters stayed put in a given location it would help to some degree...

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Great question! The new keyboard is meant to help out in a couple different ways.

1) The new keyboard guides you to the right answer. With the old keyboard, and especially with typos enabled, it was easy to end up reinforcing an incorrect answer over and over again, and it was tempting to just hit "I was right" to keep the lesson going.

2) The new keyboard gives you feedback as you type. With the old keyboard, you could end up typing the entire answer, then get the whole challenge wrong because the article was the wrong gender. The new keyboard helps you fix problems as you go.

3) The new keyboard allows you to type special characters in the language you're learning even if you don't have the right keyboard installed on your device. This is less of a problem with languages like Spanish that use the Roman alphabet, but a lot of decks in languages like Russian or Japanese are pretty much impossible to study without the right keyboard.

With that said, we understand there are some potential tradeoffs, and that the tradeoffs may be different for different users. That's why we're grateful for the feedback we're getting!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Damian162197

Please, don't do it! The simplified keyboard makes it 10 times slower to use the app! I love the app just because you can do things quickly here. The new keyboard is just so uncomfortable to use and it made me rage instantly. If you're going to leave it anyway, please at least give us a chance to choose the system keyboard in settings. Once again, it makes me learn ten times slower!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/GizmoAnka

Duolingo tiny cards is such an awesome idea. As a G.A. I had suggested making them in print to be sold for use in clubs and for individuals to buy. I don't want people to feel pressured to do so of course, but it would be so cool to have a set of official brand duolingo cards that I could use to learn and help others learn. That all being said, please keep up the good work. It's an amazing idea and I truly love the work. If there's anything I can do to help you personally on the back end of things, please let me know.

August 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/zanzaboonda

I love this idea and heartily second it!

August 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/SarahDay330516

Hi, I noticed today the changes on the Tiny Cards Android App. I see that this is new and have read the post thread. I would like to just add a comment about it. I find it slightly frustrating to use due to some of the answers. I am using is primarily for Japanese and it is frustrating to stop and spell out in English things like, 'one flat/thing object' in order to get the card correct. This can also be a problem if there are typos. I do not see all negative thou, it is nice for things that make you responsible for actually knowing it, instead of saying 'yeah I knew that'. Is there going to be a feature to allow you to turn off the typing all together, like before, in order to facilitate faster quizzing when typing is not helpful or possible?

July 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Thank you for your feedback! Would you be willing to start a new post on this topic? That will make it easier to follow the conversation. Thank you!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/dlhgl

Done

And thanks for reading and replying to my comment!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/JustinSensei

Hi, folks! We've paused this experiment based on user feedback. That means you should start seeing the full keyboard again the next time you load the app. Next step: we're going to review your feedback and see what we can do to respond to it before we try rolling the simplified keyboard out again. Thank you as always for your input!

July 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/L.prJT

I just read this. I will then redownload the app! Thank you so much.

September 22, 2018
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